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Hi, respectable specialists!
I'm proud to say, that this year, at April, 21, russian CPU developers presented to the market new desktop CPU MCST Elbrus-4S, and a new desktop platform "Monocube" on its base!
MCST (Moscow Center of SPARC-like Technologies, руÑ. МЦСТ, МоÑковÑкий ЦенÑ,Ñ€ СПÐРК-ТеÑ...нологий) is a commercial department of Moscow Scientific Institute of Cybernetics and Calculating Machines. It was founded at 1958, and there was designed many calculating units for soviet military machines, particularly for artillery, rockets and spacecrafts.
MCST official site (http://www.mcst.ru/).
Since 1992 there designs a CPU's for military applications. This series of CPU called "Elbrus". Elbrus 1, 2, and 2S was very strange and weak CPU's with specific and slow architechture. They was used in military and scientific applications. In 2005 or 2006 I work for a while with a system based on "Elbrus 90 Micro". It was absollutelly stable, but very slow (something like PII 300 MHz) and doesn't support Windows.
(http://www.mcst.ru/files/526135/e90cd8/501062/000002/vk-elbrus-90mikro-isp-31-01.jpg) (http://www.mcst.ru/vk-elbrus90mikro-isp.31-01)
But not today!
Now they presents "Elbrus 4S" - dual-core and quad core CPU.
(https://i.ibb.co/tDY8H1K/Elbrus4S.jpg)
(On photo is a prototype of Elbrus4S - in a shell of Elbrus2S)
Technical specifications:
4 cores.
Frequency: 800 MHz
Performance in 32-bit mode - up to 50 GFlops (comparable with Intel Core i7-975 XE!!! ;D )
Performance in 64-bit mode - 25 GFlops
TDP - from 0 (in passive mode) to 45 Watts (under load).
Scalability: up to 4 processors on single board.
RAM: 3 channel DDR3 1600 MHz
Processor was designed for russian army, so it has no (no, null, nil, zero!) hardware errors, and resist to overheat (working temp - up to 100C), EMI and radiation.
It can do 50 GFlops in 32-bit calculations. This superior performance (on 800 MHz!) was achieved by using unique CPU architecture - VLIW - Very Large Instruction Word. This architecture was designed in MCST, and it is not an x86, not a RISC and not a SPARC, but (as says representatives of MCST) it absorbed all the best features of this 3 architecthures. It can emulate an x86, so any x86 OS works on this platform well.
As a platform for this CPU, MCST show a renewed "Monocube" platform. (on site shown an old Monocube based on "Elbrus 2C+")
(http://www.mcst.ru/files/51f251/196487/1a8755/000000/monokub-rs-s-windows.png) (http://www.mcst.ru/vk-monokub-pc)
Here you can see the old version of Monocube motherboard (mini-ITX with DDR2 and PCI-E 8x), next version will be mini-ITX with DDR3 and PCI-E 16x. As I can understand, it will be presented at summer.
This processors and motherboards will be send in stores at summer or at autumn, the price of Monocube barebone will be about 600-700$.
If to stay objective...
What we have here? It is a small, strange but interesting, effective processor (doing an old but Core i7 on 800 MHz clock frequency and 45 Watts TDP - it is really effective!). It can't yet drop the Intel from pedestal, and it can't overcome AMD in cost/quality comparation. But it is reliable, it can be good for servers, commercial applications.
I can't believe that it can be common processor. Create a good CPU isn't the same that sell a CPU well.
But, from the other side, till 21.04 I doesn't believe that we in Russia can ever made a modern CPU.
So, we will see. If Elbrus CPU becomes serial, they will be good althernative.
Quote from: usmangujjar on April 30, 2014, 05:23 PM
what your scientific institute make computers for public?? or only for state army??
Scientific institute design the processor. Companies, linked with this institute, make computers, based on this processor, for army, business and private usage.
@Товарищ Daniil -> You know Russian history better than I do. Was Крущев (correct my spelling) really one of СÑ,алин's henchmen and executioners, or is that lies and exaggeration?
What is the proper spelling for "Yeltsin"? The first letter has me confused.
This is really interesting..
@humbert
Comrade Humbert, I reply you in PM (in avoid to flood the topic with talking about old politics.)
@Usman
I gave a specification of Elbrus4 in the first post.
Also you can read something about this in wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbrus_%28computer%29).
I'll search the price and specifications of Elbrus-based computers in russian online shops and translate it later.
More news about MCST processors and Elbrus.
Guys in MCST (as always in Russia) works slow and on all questions answers "it'll be done when it's done".
But at January 13 in the news was article that first (test) series of motherboards with Elbrus2SM and Elbrus4 was sent to production.
Also, they created new CPU named Elbrus8S.
Technical specifications:
Architecture: VLIW
8 cores
Frequency: 1300MHz
Performance in 32-bit mode - up to 250 GFlops (More than ANY modern desktop CPU ;D )
Performance in 64-bit mode - 125 GFlops
Tech. node: 28 nm
TDP - 55 Watts under load.
Scalability: up to 4 processors on single board.
RAM: 4 channel DDR3 1600 MHz
It doesn't have native Windows support (it's non-x86 CPU), but developers from MCST beats themself butt to the chest and promises that x86-emulation mode will be great.
Also they have added to Elbrus2S+ and Elbrus4 support of modern graphical API's, for example OpenGL. That's why I mentioned Elbrus 2SM. Elbrus 2SM = Elbrus 2S+ with media command module ("M" means "media"). Ofcourse Elbrus 8 will also have it.
Here is example - Linux Doom3 running on MCST Elbrus4
(CPU - Elbrus4S@720MHz, RAM - 12Gb DDR3-1600, Video - Radeon HD6970 2Gb, Resolution: FullHD, OS ElbrusLinux with Linux core 2.6.33)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzOdIdzxSRs&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzOdIdzxSRs&feature=youtu.be)
Elbrus 4 probably can be sent to market at the end of 2015, about prices today there is no info.
cpu frequency is lower than consumer grade cpus. 250GFlops on crunching integer values or FP ones?
Quote from: Vasudev on January 15, 2015, 02:57 PM
250GFlops on crunching integer values or FP ones?
On single precision FP. I.e., on 4 byte floats, not on double.
If the Elbrus4 doesn't work with Windows yet, then was OS does it support? Linux or something else? Also, are they making compatible motherboards too?
Do these guys seriously believe they're going to compete against Intel or AMD?
Also: what is meant by 28nm tech node? Is this how far transistors are from one another or what?
Quote from: humbert on January 16, 2015, 03:47 AM
If the Elbrus4 doesn't work with Windows yet, then was OS does it support? Linux or something else? Also, are they making compatible motherboards too?
Do these guys seriously believe they're going to compete against Intel or AMD?
It support Linux, compiled for VLIW architecture. It works with Windows, but under Windows CPU works in x86-emulating mode. Because of this, W7 or 8 doesn't work on it, only XP/Server 2003 can.
Quote from: humbert on January 16, 2015, 03:47 AM
Also: what is meant by 28nm tech node? Is this how far transistors are from one another or what?
It's size of transistor.
Isn't VLIW architecture used for superscalar cores in gpu?
Quote from: Vasudev on January 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
Isn't VLIW architecture used for superscalar cores in gpu?
Yes, sort of. AMD/ATI in their GPU used their implementation of VLIW.
Aside from the technical aspects of the Elbrus, what I still don't understand is - why build this thing at all? What do you do with it after you manufactured it? Are they planning to sell it to compete with Intel and AMD? I certainly hope that's the idea, we need a 3rd player in the desktop CPU market.
Quote from: humbert on January 17, 2015, 05:23 AM
Aside from the technical aspects of the Elbrus, what I still don't understand is - why build this thing at all? What do you do with it after you manufactured it? Are they planning to sell it to compete with Intel and AMD? I certainly hope that's the idea, we need a 3rd player in the desktop CPU market.
No they are not planning to *even* compete with AMD & Intel. Military guys make their own product for the best security possible and not on power consumption. They also look for vulnerabilities & lot of other things.
Look at this bug on Haswell cpu's http://www.pcworld.com/article/2464880/intel-finds-specialized-tsx-enterprise-bug-on-haswell-broadwell-cpus.html
OK, now it makes sense. With respect to the bug in Intel's Haswell and Broadwell line of CPU's, mistakes and bugs will be with us forever, at least with the Elbrus they don't have to depend on Intel for a fix. Back in 1995 the first edition of Intel's Pentium processor had a serious bug with the FPU. It you did some division calculations with the Windows calculator, it would often give you the wrong answer.
I have a news today. ;D
First modification of Elbrus is at stores in Moscow!
"Elbrus-401" PC basic configuration:
- CPU: "Elbrus 4S"@800MHz
- RAM: 24 Gb DDR3-1600 (3 lines with 8 Gbs)
- Video: Silicon Motion SM718 16Mb VRAM + AMD Radeon HD6970 2Gb
- SSD from 128 up to 512 Gb.
Current price: ~$3930 >:(
in case
(http://www.3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2015/05/08/913874/elbrus-401_vid_speredi_sboku_small.jpg)
motherboard with CPU
(http://www.3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2015/05/08/913874/risunok1.jpg)
It looks like an old motherboard and older components. But I always keep this in mind "Don't judge a book by its cover". For the same price you could buy an high end assembled PC.
Yes, I can buy high end PC for a price half of this.
But, first of all, now this PC is more a server solution, or a computational device than a PC for users. 24 gigs of memory useless for most of users, but required if you calculating something big in apps like ANSYS of SIEMENS PLM. Video card here is also not for gaming but for GPGPU calculations.
Today this "Elbrus" isn't a good buy, but the tendency looks good - less than a year ago I can't even imagine that MCST will start to sell their processors to private users.
Quote from: Daniil on December 16, 2015, 08:51 AM
Yes, I can buy high end PC for a price half of this.
But, first of all, now this PC is more a server solution, or a computational device than a PC for users. 24 gigs of memory useless for most of users, but required if you calculating something big in apps like ANSYS of SIEMENS PLM. Video card here is also not for gaming but for GPGPU calculations.
Today this "Elbrus" isn't a good buy, but the tendency looks good - less than a year ago I can't even imagine that MCST will start to sell their processors to private users.
Just now, I saw its specs and pricing is competitive. 250GFLOPS on CPU is incredible and I'd pay anything for getting that and also TDP <100W which is more future proof system but its sole purpose is for very intense file server or a compute server. i'd go with fury x since it has more compute power.
Quote from: Vasudev on December 16, 2015, 12:13 PM
Just now, I saw its specs and pricing is competitive. 250GFLOPS on CPU is incredible and I'd pay anything for getting that and also TDP <100W which is more future proof system but its sole purpose is for very intense file server or a compute server. i'd go with fury x since it has more compute power.
I don't understand something. This thing has a clock speed of 800Mhz. My Core i7-4790 does 4 Ghz. I realize clock speed alone isn't everything, but at the same time I have a hard time believing this thing goes more than 4 times per cycle more than the i7-4790.
I should also mention it uses DDR3 memory. The DDR4 specification is already out, only for high end machines.
I have 24 Gb of memory on my system. This is because I like using large ramdisks where I can put all my temporary files. It's also the place for cookies, history and other gargage. The beauty of it is when I turn the PC off it all disappears. Another benefit is I run my system with no swap file at all.
Quote from: humbert on December 17, 2015, 04:41 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on December 16, 2015, 12:13 PM
Just now, I saw its specs and pricing is competitive. 250GFLOPS on CPU is incredible and I'd pay anything for getting that and also TDP <100W which is more future proof system but its sole purpose is for very intense file server or a compute server. i'd go with fury x since it has more compute power.
I don't understand something. This thing has a clock speed of 800Mhz. My Core i7-4790 does 4 Ghz. I realize clock speed alone isn't everything, but at the same time I have a hard time believing this thing goes more than 4 times per cycle more than the i7-4790.
I should also mention it uses DDR3 memory. The DDR4 specification is already out, only for high end machines.
I have 24 Gb of memory on my system. This is because I like using large ramdisks where I can put all my temporary files. It's also the place for cookies, history and other gargage. The beauty of it is when I turn the PC off it all disappears. Another benefit is I run my system with no swap file at all.
I guess 800MHz is more than enough for a server, since it utilizes terminal windows rather than GUI. Moreover, Linux requires less resources than Windows. I think Daniil can provide more insight to your problem.
Quote from: Vasudev on December 17, 2015, 05:38 PM
I guess 800MHz is more than enough for a server, since it utilizes terminal windows rather than GUI. Moreover, Linux requires less resources than Windows. I think Daniil can provide more insight to your problem.
I was under the impression servers required a great amount of power. Then again I suppose that depends on the server's workload.
My question concerned 250Gflops on an 800 Mhz processor. My Core 17-4790K does 43.15 Glops and has a clock speed of 4.0 gHz. Either this doesn't make sense or this processor does plenty of calculations per clock cycle. In fact, if you're looking for 800 mHz then get a Raspberry Pi.
Quote from: humbert on December 19, 2015, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on December 17, 2015, 05:38 PM
I guess 800MHz is more than enough for a server, since it utilizes terminal windows rather than GUI. Moreover, Linux requires less resources than Windows. I think Daniil can provide more insight to your problem.
I was under the impression servers required a great amount of power. Then again I suppose that depends on the server's workload.
In fact, if you're looking for 800 mHz then get a Raspberry Pi.
If I was proficient in designing and making my own electronics such that devices will pop out from thin air and comes in hand and would like that very much.
I'm digging this old topic of Daniil to say I bought a new computer. My old one is showing signs of weakness. Actually, I hesitated between the Intel i7 10870h and the AMD Ryzen 7 5800H and I chose the first one even if the computer with the AMD was slightly cheaper. According to benchmarks, with Intel I will basically get close match to the AMD option. This computer is also equipped with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060.
The benchmark: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10870H-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800H/m1322918vsm1442974
Quote from: scarface on November 02, 2022, 08:19 PMI'm digging this old topic of Daniil to say I bought a new computer. My old one is showing signs of weakness. Actually, I hesitated between the Intel i7 10870h and the AMD Ryzen 7 5800H and I chose the first one even if the computer with the AMD was slightly cheaper. According to benchmarks, with Intel I will basically get close match to the AMD option. This computer is also equipped with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060.
And I need to upgrade my 10 year old GTX-970 video card. I've got my eye on either the RTX-3060 or RTX-3050. As you can all imagine I waited so long because until recently finding a newer video card at a reasonable price was next to impossible.
Quote from: humbert on November 03, 2022, 04:31 AMAnd I need to upgrade my 10 year old GTX-970 video card. I've got my eye on either the RTX-3060 or RTX-3050. As you can all imagine I waited so long because until recently finding a newer video card at a reasonable price was next to impossible.
Well, over the last few years the price of hardware may have gone up 10 to 15%. Actually I don't know if I paid a reasonable price for this (1300€), but at least I'll have a good computer. Your card is still good if you don't play recent games. I wanted a powerful CPU, but to put it bluntly, I don't think I need a high-end graphics card since I only play games occasionally.
Quote from: scarface on November 03, 2022, 05:14 AMWell, over the last few years the price of hardware may have gone up 10 to 15%. Actually I don't know if I paid a reasonable price for this (1300€), but at least I'll have a good computer. Your card is still good if you don't play recent games. I wanted a powerful CPU, but to put it bluntly, I don't think I need a high-end graphics card since I only play games occasionally.
The RTX3050 and RTX3060 are mid-range cards. Hi end cards are are at least $600. For me an upgrade to a mid-range card is more than fine. I ordered the RXT3060 @ $369 - the package comes with 2 games - Warhammer and Darkside Imperial Edition.
Quote from: scarface on November 02, 2022, 08:19 PMI'm digging this old topic of Daniil to say I bought a new computer. My old one is showing signs of weakness. Actually, I hesitated between the Intel i7 10870h and the AMD Ryzen 7 5800H and I chose the first one even if the computer with the AMD was slightly cheaper. According to benchmarks, with Intel I will basically get close match to the AMD option. This computer is also equipped with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060.
The benchmark: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-10870H-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800H/m1322918vsm1442974
Good choice! I'm also in thoughts about upgrade of my computer, but in my case I yet need high-end video card - it's required for development of VR apps.
Quote from: Daniil on November 11, 2022, 11:32 AMGood choice! I'm also in thoughts about upgrade of my computer, but in my case I yet need high-end video card - it's required for development of VR apps.
I finally received my new laptop. I will test it with cinebench R20 and cpu-z and post the results here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14008.0
There will likely be no huge differences between a i5 9300h and a i7 10870h (except for the multi-threads tests).
I've been using a dual core intel 5005u with 8gb of ram since september, as i left my pc in sweden.
Moving back in december.
When you know how to work around the slowness, it's not all too bad. Just not a fun gaming experience.
Been playing games on the amazing resolution 1024x576. Even if more pixels are better. I often take fewer pixels and higher FPS.
@humbert
What surprised me going between 960 and 2080ti was that in a lot of games the gpu does not matter too much.
Examples would be, rimworld, league of legends, valorant, and factorio.
Once you get a certain fps. It wont matter. Especially in top-down games.
I honestly loved the 960. It was quiet, small and didnt turn my room into a sauna.
Even more so, the little brother 950.
My cousin had a 950 that performed better than the 960 i used when both were overclocked.
For how little it cost when it came out, it was a great choice.
On the topic of Laptop. I'm looking to get a new one. My ideal budget is around 700 for a semi-business laptop. 16gb of ram, 500gb ssd and 6c12t or more. Makes it a squeeze. Especially if you want one with an OK touchpad, screen and keyboard. Wouldnt mind going used. But most of them are years old. And the batteries are usually not so fun after a few years.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on November 12, 2022, 04:04 AMOn the topic of Laptop. I'm looking to get a new one. My ideal budget is around 700 for a semi-business laptop. 16gb of ram, 500gb ssd and 6c12t or more. Makes it a squeeze. Especially if you want one with an OK touchpad, screen and keyboard. Wouldnt mind going used. But most of them are years old. And the batteries are usually not so fun after a few years.
The problem today is that few laptops are available on the market due to chip shortage. I bought mine 2 weeks ago and it's already out-of-stock. But I could get a i5 11400 instead of a i7 10870h for a similar price. For 719 € I found this: ASUS P1701CEA-BX378R - Intel Core i3-1115G4 8 Go SSD 256 Go 17.3". It might be good for you. But you could get something better if you buy a second hand laptop.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on November 12, 2022, 04:04 AMOn the topic of Laptop. I'm looking to get a new one. My ideal budget is around 700 for a semi-business laptop. 16gb of ram, 500gb ssd and 6c12t or more. Makes it a squeeze. Especially if you want one with an OK touchpad, screen and keyboard. Wouldnt mind going used. But most of them are years old. And the batteries are usually not so fun after a few years.
Note that I can sell you my former computer if you are near Lyon or Grenoble (in France) this winter for some business trip (if you spend Christmas with me and some friends you won't be disappointed by the wine). It is a HP with a i5 9300h/16gb (I added 8 G or Ram)/a Nvidia Geforce 1050. I sell it for 300€ if you are ok to come and buy it...
Quote from: scarface on November 12, 2022, 02:42 PMThe problem today is that few laptops are available on the market due to chip shortage. I bought mine 2 weeks ago and it's already out-of-stock. But I could get a i5 11400 instead of a i7 10870h for a similar price. For 719 € I found this: ASUS P1701CEA-BX378R - Intel Core i3-1115G4 8 Go SSD 256 Go 17.3". It might be good for you. But you could get something better if you buy a second hand laptop.
Really? Every time I receive Newegg's newsletter with offers there are always several laptops available for sale. The price is pretty much what you'd expect for "gamers" laptop. If there's a chip shortage going on, here we're not being affected.
Daniil started this topic with a appropriate subject. So I was wondering about him.
From what I been hearing, Russia is going from bad to worse. Putin is not only a dictator, he has become essentially a Stalinist (an admirer of Stalin who follows in his footsteps). His "special military operation" has become a war of attrition with over 100,000 Russian casualties and counting - and no end in sight. I only hope Daniil is doing well and that he hasn't been conscripted and (at best) found his way out of Russia.
Don't worry about me, friends!
Things really went from bad to worse. I've got crazy, and even started to hear a voice in my head. :D But, to be honest, that voice is very cute, English-speaking and with a lot of common sense. :D So, I with my girlfriend made our choice.
Greetings from Kazakhstan! :D
Quote from: Daniil on April 06, 2024, 05:04 PMDon't worry about me, friends!
Things really went from bad to worse. I've got crazy, and even started to hear a voice in my head. :D But, to be honest, that voice is very cute, English-speaking and with a lot of common sense. :D So, I with my girlfriend made our choice.
Greetings from Kazakhstan! :D
CONGRATULATIONS!!! Finally you are safe from the Stalinist dictator in Moscow!! I was truly worried about you.
So tell us: how did you manage to escape? Your girlfriend. Is she Russian or Kasakh? Have you been granted asylum in Kazakhstan? Are you working? So many questions.
You're safe and that's all that matters.
Quote from: humbert on April 09, 2024, 06:04 AMCONGRATULATIONS!!! Finally you are safe from the Stalinist dictator in Moscow!! I was truly worried about you.
So tell us: how did you manage to escape? Your girlfriend. Is she Russian or Kasakh? Have you been granted asylum in Kazakhstan? Are you working? So many questions.
You're safe and that's all that matters.
Thank you, friend!
About our escape, in a nutshell - I sold my apartment in St.Petersburg, fires from my work, transferred money to Kazakhstan bank through not-so-legal (in Russia) scheme. Than, for a few month, we thought about when we need to left Russia, where should we go, and how should we act after. During this, I collected information about other countries (their troubles and opportunities). After a time, we (with my GF and my "voice-in-my-head") choosed Kazakhstan, as an optimal for opportunities it provides. We left St.Petersburg and flight to Astana.
That's if to say short. In details - nothing good, friends. Maybe I'll tell you about this once, but nothing good in this story. As an example - my own mother choose to stay, and said to me that I'm a "covard and traitor" because I'm leaving. And, also, that no one need me outside of Russia.
It's only a mass madness left in Russia - that's for sure.
My girlfriend is Russian, she's with me for many years already. I even mentioned about her in my previous posts.
About asylum - please, tell me, are you talking about political asylum? Because I heard that term in sense "mental hospital". And - in both cases no. I've got to Kazakhstan as private person, without asking about hideout in any sense.
No, I'm not working yet. We have some money for live here, and I already found here a small company, doing consulting in programming and game development. Without a huge success yet, but as a beginning it's an option. I can find a work for myself as a Unity developer, but I looking for something else. After all I faced I understood that being a programmer isn't a best work.
Quote from: Daniil on April 09, 2024, 05:01 PMWe left St.Petersburg and flight to Astana.
Putin is conscripting anyone to fight his unnecessary war. What surprises me is that you were allowed go get on the plane. I would think there would be a law preventing men who can fight from leaving Russia.
Quote from: Daniil on April 09, 2024, 05:01 PMThat's if to say short. In details - nothing good, friends. Maybe I'll tell you about this once, but nothing good in this story. As an example - my own mother choose to stay, and said to me that I'm a "covard and traitor" because I'm leaving. And, also, that no one need me outside of Russia.
Josef Göebells used to say that any lie, if repeated enough, will be believed. This is exactly what is happening in Russia. The Stalinist dictator's incessant propaganda bombardment has many people fooled. IT IS ALL LIES!! The hard truth is that this despot started an unnecessary war against a democracy that was NEVER a threat to Russia. Losses continue to mount and Putin doesn't care. Putin has $70 billion while his people have trouble putting food on the table. YOU ARE A RUSSIAN PATRIOT! You fight for your country and your people against a bestial dictator who cares nothing about them. Do NOT return to Russia until the Putin dictatorship is beheaded! I find it almost impossible to believe that a mother would prefer a dictator over the life of her son. With all due respect, this is not a mother. Something else to remember: for dictators to stay in power, they need an enemy. If none exists, create one.
Quote from: Daniil on April 09, 2024, 05:01 PMAbout asylum - please, tell me, are you talking about political asylum? Because I heard that term in sense "mental hospital". And - in both cases no. I've got to Kazakhstan as private person, without asking about hideout in any sense.
"Asylum" in English has 2 meanings. "Political asylum" means that a country has granted you the right to stay there because the government in your country is persecuting you. For example, my family was granted political asylum in the USA due to persecution from the Castro regime in Cuba. Based on what you're telling me this is not your case. Any idea of how you could stay in Kazakhstan, not as a visitor, but as a legal resident? I don't know what Kazakh law says, but in most countries you can't legally work unless you're a citizen or have been granted legal residence.
Quote from: Daniil on April 09, 2024, 05:01 PMNo, I'm not working yet. We have some money for live here, and I already found here a small company, doing consulting in programming and game development. Without a huge success yet, but as a beginning it's an option. I can find a work for myself as a Unity developer, but I looking for something else. After all I faced I understood that being a programmer isn't a best work.
Great! You have to start somewhere. Be patient and just hang in there, you will succeed. Let me say this once again: DO NOT return to Russia until the dictatorship is decapitated! And remember too: the people in Russia are brainwashed by nonstop propaganda. You can see through Putin's lies.
Quote from: humbert on April 13, 2024, 04:29 AMWhat surprises me is that you were allowed go get on the plane. I would think there would be a law preventing men who can fight from leaving Russia.
As I said earlier I'm not in first wave of enlistment (because of my health status and my age - I'm a year older than upper bound for mobilization enlistment). Also, I choosed right time for getting away - about "election" time, when government show-off its "liberal tends". But anyway, we were really close to troubles - our plane was last before Pulkovo airport was blocked because of "danger of terrorism".
Quote from: humbert on April 13, 2024, 04:29 AMJosef Göebells used to say that any lie, if repeated enough, will be believed. This is exactly what is happening in Russia.
Yes, that's how it works. I may tell more about their modern methods of propaganda, but it'd require long explanation with examples.
Quote from: humbert on April 13, 2024, 04:29 AMYOU ARE A RUSSIAN PATRIOT! You fight for your country and your people against a bestial dictator who cares nothing about them.
No, sorry, but I'm not anymore. I may explain.
You know what's the most scary thing? Putin won the election with 87.5% of votes, but that's a TRUE,
REAL votes. I mean, people really for him, people really thinking that that's right way. That US and Europe trying to destroy Russia and make all Russians homosexualists. That US and Europe jealous to us for... I don't even understand for what. I spoke with a lot of people, from high educated space enthusiasts to street wipes and taxi drivers, and they are thinking +/- like this. With more or less complex excuses, depending on their level of education. I always wondered, how that could be that in truly european, highly intellectual Germany masses supported Hitler. Now I see how. It's sort of mass hysteria.
You may say that that's a result of Goebbels-styled lie-propaganda. Possibly yes, I could say. But for how long that could repeat? Let's remember Russian history of XX century. To say short there was 7 big cycles of lie in Russia, when people followed official ideology and got only **** in the end. But they still following, they wanting this lie! They wanting to be offended slaves. That's in Russian culture, in Russian language! So, I asked myself - are they idiots or are they masochists? And how I could be a patriot of nation of idiots or masohists?
By the way - this is really in our language. Compare your way of thinking and mine. See how dramatic I always is in my replics (from Western point of view)? That's not good, but that's how in Russian language phrases (and thoughts) building.Quote from: humbert on April 13, 2024, 04:29 AM"Asylum" in English has 2 meanings. "Political asylum" means that a country has granted you the right to stay there because the government in your country is persecuting you. For example, my family was granted political asylum in the USA due to persecution from the Castro regime in Cuba. Based on what you're telling me this is not your case. Any idea of how you could stay in Kazakhstan, not as a visitor, but as a legal resident? I don't know what Kazakh law says, but in most countries you can't legally work unless you're a citizen or have been granted legal residence.
Oh, now I understood what are you about. Yes, I'm working on it. I learned alot about immigration rules in different countries by studying their laws, experience of expats and getting consultations from lawyers. In Kazakhstan I can get a residentalship, after I'll register myself as tax payer, rent a place for living and found a work (or register a business). I made all of this already, now I need to prepare all papers for me and my girlfriend (she need to be hired in my company to get residentalship with me).
Also, there is some other options, for example, I may found a work outside of Kazakhstan (for example in western IT companies) to work there and pay taxes here. Or we can apply to education to became "specialists important for country" (like, a pilots). That's also very interesting idea.
So you were on the last plane out. Great! Did anything really happen at Pulvoko or was it just a false alarm?
Anyone who stands up to a dictator is, in my opinion, a patriot. You had the courage not to believe his lies and not to fight in his war. You did this the only way you could: by leaving Russia. That's all you can do.
I believe everything you told me about Putin winning the election and what many people in Russia believe. This is not unique to Russia. Hitler also got to power by winning a clean election. In the USA, Donald Trump managed to get elected president with a campaign based on fear and outright lies. People don't learn and can be made to believe just about anything even if makes no sense and is not backed up by facts. This is especially true when there is mass hysteria. Dictators like the 3 I mentioned take advantage of this. Putin is worse because he has full control of the country's propaganda machine. In Russia, you hear only what Putin wants you to hear.
I very happy that you and your girlfriend can stay in Kazakstan. I assume by the time you read this you will have rented a place and gotten a job. You are fortunate to have your girlfriend at your side. She is your strength and your most valuable ally. That she left Russia to go with you says a lot.
I assume you don't have a language problem over there. From what I read, Kazakh is the official language but most people also speak Russian. Great.
Keep us informed.