What's happening in Egypt?

[scarface]

He looks like a god. Compared to that I feel terrible with my cap. I put it because I cut my hair, not to look like a skinhead.
I thought he would have been younger. We are so used to seeing very young people in Egypt or in Africa that we think everyone there is below 20. And in certain part of Europe, its the contrary, you are astonished when you are not seeing an old dodderer.

seeing this age pyramid, Its still true that Egypt is very young though:


Note that the best clips have been updated: http://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=1020.msg9154#msg9154

[humbert]

@Scarface - I try not to watch the news too much. I might read an article somewhere now and then. With any news media you never know what lie to believe.

Ahmad - thanks for clarifying your post. You know more about the Brotherhood than I do, but from what I'm hearing your opinion is correct. Just for starters I heard they even favor strict Islamic law to the point where they're even attacking Christian churches. You've told us many times you are against this sort of thing.

BTW, you look exactly like Hosni. Your dark glasses, the way you comb your hair, the shape of your face, your skin tone... are you sure he's not a member of your family?     I bet you that more than one cute Egyptian girl has tried to get your attention. 

[Ahmad]

@humbert
I want to clarify that the violence was provoked by the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood party, and done by some of their supporters who don't use their brains, and also done by some terrorist groups.
Even if the leaders don't order their supporters to kill or burn directly, their speeches which are full of hatred will do the purpose of provoking violence.

Those terrorist groups attack both Christians and Muslims because - in their belief - we are non-religious and so, they are allowed to harm us !!

But just to be fair, I'm not sure about the nature of the relations between the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood party and those terrorist groups.

[humbert]

@Ahmad - thanks so very much for your input. It is precisely because of extremists such as the Muslim Brotherhood (and others) that Islam has acquired such a bad name in the western world. I firmly believe that Islam - a religion of peace, love and respect - has been hijacked by terrorists who think otherwise. This sort of thing is by no means unique to Muslims. Christianity too has had its share of inquisitions and brutality, also led by miscreants who think they know what's best for all of us.

Please give me your opinion - do you agree with the military's coup d'etat and their actions afterwards?

[Ahmad]

*** It is precisely because of extremists such as the Muslim Brotherhood (and others) that Islam has acquired such a bad name in the western world.

Just to be fair, not all the Muslim Brotherhood.
Many of them have quit this party after the bad decisions of their leadership.

I don't exactly understand the word "d'etat", but in general, I think the military's coup shouldn't be called a coup in this case because it wasn't the will of the military. It was provoked by the will of most of the Egyptians except the Muslim brotherhood and the other supporters of Mursi.

After Mursi, a transitional period of 6 months is determined until the next president.

Regarding what they are doing after the military's coup, I really started not to trust any man of power. I don't know whether they are good or not. I'm not sure about the news they say in the media. I got bored with this talking about politics all the day. Some channels are with Mursi and some against him. I really don't know what to trust any more. I don't see what is being said with my own eyes to be sure. So, I gave up following up the news because I got bored and so, forgive me if I can't tell you about what they're doing after Mursi.

[scarface]

In french,Etat means State. I thought the french expression coup d'état was translated by coup in English, but probably humbert is mastering french so well hes mixing the 2 expressions.
I was wrong the expression coup d'état exists in English (like coup de grâce, also a french expression) and is equivalent to coup - checked on a dictionary.

[Ahmad]

Thanks scarface

[scarface]

About Egypt I think there are two things: what you see on tv and what is not said.
On tv they show bearded guys with kalashnikov shouting Allah akbar. It gives a poor idea of Islam, its not representative of Egypt, and probably these men are even ignoring the real precepts of religion.
And if you are not naive, you can imagine that what is at stake for the real muslim brothers, the members of the government and their henchmen, that's to say there few people, is financial. Probably they can benefit from this system, they have perks or others things...
To give you an idea of how much these people can be rich, in 2011, 11 cars of the son of the president of Equatorial Guinea have been seized in Paris for several million of euros, because he was suspected of corruption. here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeJJB3O4YcI

a lamborghini in Egypt:

[Ahmad]

YES, the situation in Syria is much more serious and I think there is who wants to make Egypt like Syria, but also, I hope and believe he can't.

About Egypt I think there are two things: what you see on tv and what is not said.
On tv they show bearded guys with kalashnikov shouting Allah akbar. It gives a poor idea of Islam, its not representative of Egypt, and probably these men are even ignoring the real precepts of religion.

And for that, I don't want to misjudge all the Muslim brotherhood. Because for example, many of them are not bearded, and some are bearded. Also there are many bearded people who don't support Muslim brothers and they are good people as well. Those bearded guys who kill and burn are the real terrorism who always hide in deserts, specially in Sinai desert.
So, I want to say that beard is not a measure.
But this doesn't mean that I like the way of thinking of the Muslim brotherhood. I'm against any party calling himself Islamist because I think they always be NOT on the right course. I like the balance in anything because I think it's the main basis of life.

[scarface]

That's what I wanted to say, the party in itself is not bound to be bad. But in reality, even with another party, the islamists wont disappear. In france for example, the religious political parties are forbidden, but it doesnt prevent some people to become terrorists, even recently converted people. But in fact those people are usually not really knowing the religious instructions.
As for Syria, There is few hope of a rapid improvement of the situation. For me there is also a physical cause. For example, If you invite only me at your birthday and if there is a fight, there will be at most 2 dead, if you invite every specialist of the forum, the situation could be much worse. And in syria the population has been increasing constantly since 1960. In fact the country is relatively populated when we know that a large majority of the country is desert. in this sense the situation in Syria is not totally different from the one in Egypt.