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Ahmad

Quote from: humb25 on April 02, 2012, 12:38 AM
My question is simply this: does Arabic have something like this, or is there just one word for "you"?

We have many words representing the word "YOU" !!
Even "YOU" for males is different from "YOU" for females ;;; It's written in the same way but differs in pronunciation >>
For males > we say "Anta"
For females > we say "Anti" ... BUT in Arabic, they are written in the same way.

And of course, like you >> there is "YOU" between friends and another "YOU" for old people or people of high standings as respect.
But the most famous word used for respect like "YOU" is:
For males > we say "Hadritak"
For females > we say "Hadritik" ... BUT there are many words like this according to the person you are talking to but this example works with anyone as respect.

For your knowledge, Arabic is one of the difficult languages to learn because it's so big with a lot of rules and so, it is a very rich language in meanings and phrase composition ways.
English is much much easier than Arabic.

But I hope this will not discourage you if you want to learn some about Arabic.  ;D ;D

Good bye for now.
:) :D
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

humbert

Quote from: Ahmad on April 03, 2012, 12:08 AM
We have many words representing the word "YOU" !!
Even "YOU" for males is different from "YOU" for females ;;; It's written in the same way but differs in pronunciation >>
For males > we say "Anta"
For females > we say "Anti" ... BUT in Arabic, they are written in the same way.
And of course, like you >> there is "YOU" between friends and another "YOU" for old people or people of high standings as respect.
But the most famous word used for respect like "YOU" is:
For males > we say "Hadritak"
For females > we say "Hadritik" ... BUT there are many words like this according to the person you are talking to but this example works with anyone as respect.

This is most interesting! In all languages I've had to opportunity to at least learn something about, this is the first time I've ever seen a situation where there were different "you's" for men and women. As I said before, the formality of the "you" being used is also common to other languages, but not it's genderization.

Quote from: Ahmad on April 03, 2012, 12:08 AM
For your knowledge, Arabic is one of the difficult languages to learn because it's so big with a lot of rules and so, it is a very rich language in meanings and phrase composition ways.
English is much much easier than Arabic.

While I'm certainly not qualified to give an opinion about how difficult Arabic may be to learn, I do believe some languages are harder. On a TV show recently, a British guy said he was very good at languages and could learn any in a week. Someone made him a bet and, after doing research, selected the language believe by all was the most difficult to learn: Icelandic. Arabic wasn't even on the list. To make a long story short, the guy went to Reykjavik and won the bet.

English is another tough language to learn. For example, consider the words "far", "fast", "fake" and "fair". Notice that in each, the letter "a" is pronounced differently, but worst still, there is no accent or hi-ascii character to indicate otherwise. Similarly, you have words like "elaborate" that have 2 pronunciations, and each means something entirely different, with again no character anywhere to tell you which is which. Spanish, by comparison, is nothing like that. Every vowel, indeed every letter, has one and only one pronunciation -- it's own name. If a situation exists where one world could mean 2 things, one of the meanings will have an accent to differentiate it from the other. The same holds true if on certain occasions one letter is silent in one situation but not in another. As you know, I was educated entirely in English, yet I learned to read and write Spanish all on my own without ever having to go to school. To learn the proper grammar, I just downloaded a PDF and read the basic rules. The rest was just a matter of practice, such as reading newspapers or magazines.

Quote from: Ahmad on April 03, 2012, 12:08 AM
But I hope this will not discourage you if you want to learn some about Arabic.  ;D ;D

Au contraire, my friend! The more difficult something is, the more interested I am in learning it. Even here in San Antonio, signing up for Arabic classes is not a problem. The problem lies in the fact that I have no way to practice it, so I'm basically wasting my time. Clearly this would not be the situation if I were frequently visiting Egypt, Palestine, Jordan or any other Arab nation. To make matters even worse, most of the Muslims that live here (the ones I told you about) don't even speak Arabic themselves simply because they are now 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants and, regarding practice, are basically in the same situation I am. And of course, let's never forget that the largest Islamic community in the world is not even located in the Middle East, it's in South and Southwest Asia.

Despite this, rest assured I will continue to try to learn as much as I can.

Thanks,
Humbert



Ahmad

Quote from: humbert on April 04, 2012, 01:19 AM
This is most interesting! In all languages I've had to opportunity to at least learn something about, this is the first time I've ever seen a situation where there were different "you's" for men and women. As I said before, the formality of the "you" being used is also common to other languages, but not it's genderization.
YES, it's interesting.
When someone is speaking to another, you know if the person is a man or a woman without seeing him.

Quote from: humbert on April 04, 2012, 01:19 AM
While I'm certainly not qualified to give an opinion about how difficult Arabic may be to learn, I do believe some languages are harder.
I didn't say it's the hardest. I said one of the hardest.  <To be precise> ;D ;D ;D
I hear that Chinese is harder and you saying that Icelandic is a hard one too.
BUT really, Arabic is very beautiful and professional. You can say one Arabic word containing the subject, verb and 2 objects plus specifying the time <past, present or future>>>  All this is in only one word !!

Quote from: humbert on April 04, 2012, 01:19 AM
Au contraire, my friend! The more difficult something is, the more interested I am in learning it. Even here in San Antonio, signing up for Arabic classes is not a problem. The problem lies in the fact that I have no way to practice it, so I'm basically wasting my time.
You are absolutely right.
Difficult is more interesting.
Learning without practice is a waste of time.

:) :) :D :D
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

humbert

Quote from: Ahmad on April 05, 2012, 08:08 AM
I didn't say it's the hardest. I said one of the hardest.  <To be precise> ;D ;D ;D
I hear that Chinese is harder and you saying that Icelandic is a hard one too.
BUT really, Arabic is very beautiful and professional. You can say one Arabic word containing the subject, verb and 2 objects plus specifying the time <past, present or future>>>  All this is in only one word !!

That's quite interesting! Now I see why the Iberian Peninsula in Europe profited so much and why education was so widespread during the centuries of Islamic occupation. Sadly, in 1492 the Christians threw them out, and the Holy Inquisition followed. Worst still, when they came to this hemisphere, the Inquisition followed.

Regarding languages, Spanish also has it's advantages over English, but not as efficiently as Arabic. I wonder if this is even possible so I can understand what you told me a little better: can you take any word or short sentence, type it in here in Latin characters as best you can, and explain this concept by example. I hope this sort of thing is even possible because I know there are words, saying and phrases that simply have no translation or can't be expressed in another language.

I'm glad you brought up Chinese. As might know, their writing system isn't phonetic like in the languages we speak. Their characters stand for things, feelings, abstract ideas and so on, not for sounds. A person from Beijing (where Mandarin is spoken) and someone from Hong Kong (where they speak Cantonese) cannot talk to each other without a translator, but one guy can write something in Chinese and the other guy will read it perfectly. In a phonetic language, this is simply impossible. By comparison, a guy from Beijing can easily speak to someone from Taipei (Taiwan), only the accent is different. However, one guy's system is virtually unreadable to the other guy. If you're interested, I'll explain how this happened.

Take care
Humbert  :)

Ahmad

Quote from: humbert on April 06, 2012, 05:30 AM
I wonder if this is even possible so I can understand what you told me a little better: can you take any word or short sentence, type it in here in Latin characters as best you can, and explain this concept by example. I hope this sort of thing is even possible because I know there are words, saying and phrases that simply have no translation or can't be expressed in another language.

I'll try with a word from the Holy Qur'an.
I'll write it to you in English in the same way that we pronounce it in Arabic.

The word is pronounced like this "Fasayakfeekahum".
It means like "then, he will protect you from them and grant you victory over them".

Trying to split it into parts ;;;

- Fa  >>  conjunction like "then" for example.
- sa  >>  like "will" refers to future.
- yakfee  >>  this is the verb which means "protect and grant victory", and its subject is a pronoun equals "he" but hidden <not written>, yet it's understood from pronunciation and it refers to "Allah".
- ka  >>  is a written pronoun equals "you" and it's the first object.
- hum  >>  is a written pronoun equals "them" and it's the second object.

So, in Arabic, you can merge some phrase parts together into one word, and it's written merged not splitted ;;; i.e.
Suppose you want to write "I like him" in Arabic, then you will write it like this "Ilikehim".
Arabic letters also have the ability to fuse together creating one continuous shape without any spaces between letters, so the word "Ilikehim" is now wrong, you should also remove spaces between every letter to make them all adhere to each other.

Be well and safe.
:) :D ;)
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

humbert

Quote from: Ahmad on April 06, 2012, 08:54 AM
I'll try with a word from the Holy Qur'an.
I'll write it to you in English in the same way that we pronounce it in Arabic.
The word is pronounced like this "Fasayakfeekahum".
It means like "then, he will protect you from them and grant you victory over them".

I took the info you gave me and pasted it to a text file. I have another language-related question for you, but not right now, I getting a little sleepy and I promised Bladshark an e-mail.

I'll be back with this, and thanks for the answer.

scarface

#66
I see a lot of new users are registering everyday. Perhaps they want to be thankful after downloading something but unfortunately there is no new post.


And I noticed the old specialists have already left: daniil, topdog...

topdog

#67
LOL I'm happy to be called "old" but not sure if daniil would appreciate it so much  ;D

He has been a very good contributor, it's a shame to not see him here any more  :(
they call me domesticated ..... I CALL THEM FOOLS !!!

scarface

#68
perhaps I should have said "former", but if I wasnt misled and if the dog avatar provides an accurate image of you, perhaps the term old is an euphemism.
Anyway I see there is nothing new here ,so Im no interested in coming any more. Ill be busy till september and Ill stay available for the very best specialists by pm, like harkaz, the ripper Ahmad, the pirat humbert, the funny aa1234779...
If you have problems Ive skills in nsis, c++ for eventual questions. As for the project windows ultralite, its currently on hold, but it will be updated by next year. I guess the specialist harkaz, who has tested every version for an expert diagnosis can eventually upload for the best specialists if needed. For me it will be difficult to upload anything since I terminated my former connection. Im now connecting through my smartphone which is incredibly slow compared to optic fiber. What's more my provider has blocked the connection sharing, no way to use the phone as a modem for the computer...