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August 19, 2017, 11:35 PM
Hello everyone..

As learning and sharing information/ideas is important to me and many others, I thought opening a topic on Documentaries can be both fun and educational.

Here is the first video I'd like to post..
 Aljazeera's The Caliph part 1 Foundation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3O9d7PsI48

A short introduction to the history of the Islamic state founded by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his guided caliphs and how it deteriorated then became a monarchy (The Umayyads), an Islamic one at least, that continued expanding until infighting led to its fall.

I can't say that everything told in this video is completely true since the speakers are not islamic historians/scholars. Yet they express their views & analysis of the events that occurred, which can be differed with especially by a person who read the original narration of the events of that time in human history from authentic sources.

Please post any documentary film you deem worthy of sharing with others here.
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 20, 2017, 09:07 PM
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I haven't had the time to watch the documentary, but I'm under the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that "Islamic Caliphate" implies some sort of political state run by the Islamic religion. If this is so then I strongly disagree. If history has taught us anything it is that government and [any]religion do not mix. Only a secular government can guarantee the right of the people, both freedom OF and freedom FROM religion. Religion is a private matter and has no place in government.

August 21, 2017, 02:12 AM
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I haven't had the time to watch the documentary, but I'm under the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that "Islamic Caliphate" implies some sort of political state run by the Islamic religion. If this is so then I strongly disagree.

Actually, the Islamic State or Caliphate is run by men like us with strict reference to the Sharia Laws of Islam, derived from the Quran, Prophetic tradition (Sunnah), the tradition of the four rightly guided Caliphs, and so on. Immaculacy, on the other hand, died with the Messenger of Islam, Muhammad peace be upon him, as the Quran & Prophetic tradition clearly states.

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If history has taught us anything it is that government and [any]religion do not mix. Only a secular government can guarantee the right of the people, both freedom OF and freedom FROM religion. Religion is a private matter and has no place in government.

You have a clear right to believe in this view as you aren't Muslim, Allah says in the Glorious Quran Ch.2 Verse 256:
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion."

For me as a Muslim, and for many others around the globe, we'd rather be ruled by a government of men & women that refer to no other laws than those derived from the authentic sources of our religion. No man-made laws or widespread usury, adultery, liquor, drugs, and other sorts of what true Muslims deem as corruption.

In Islam, religion can be described as four inseparable parts:
1- Sharia (law) 2- Aqeedah (creed) 3- Ebadah (worship) 4- Sulouk (conduct)

If pondered well, you'll realize that Islam is much more than a religion for ones self, but an organizational system as well starting from the person whether it's a he or a she, the family, the neighborhood, the mosque, all the way to the government itself.


Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 21, 2017, 12:48 PM
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I have a question for you aa1234779. But since I'm tired, I'm going to speak in French, I'm unable to speak in English.

Je viens de me lever, après avoir dormi une petite heure, parce que j'étais crevé après avoir travaillé aujourd'hui. Quand je me suis réveillé, il était 7heure 20 du soir, je me souvenais plus que j'avais travaillé aujourd'hui. J'ai pas encore mangé ce soir. Je regarde avec une envie morbide la bière qui est sur mon micro-onde. Je pense même l'ouvrir. Si tu devais rencontrer le mécréant qui boit des bières pour oublier sa vie de merde que ferais-tu?
1) Je le tuerais puisque le prophète Mahomet n'aime pas la bière.
2) Je l’emmènerais dans mon califat (Yémen, Libye, Soudan, Arabie Saoudite, Iran, Pakistan, la liste n'est pas exhaustive), afin qu'il puisse vivre une vie digne en accord avec la charia.
3) Je l'aiderais à finir son demi de bière.

Quelques précisions. Il n'y a pas de mauvaise réponse. Après tout, si aa1234779 veut me tuer, je l'accepte, si c'est la volonté de dieu. Je préfère une mort rapide à une mort lente (d'abord une balle dans la tête, et ensuite la décapitation plutôt que l'inverse). Plusieurs réponses sont possibles (multiple answers allowed): tuer le mécréant, emmener le cadavre dans le califat, et finir la cannette de bière (pour la route).



Well, after this interesting discussion, how about a little funny movie (les trois frères): https://ufile.io/7zjct



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August 21, 2017, 10:00 PM
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aa1234779 ->

If we define Sharia law as that which is practiced in Iran or Saudi Arabia, then the leaders  of those countries are directly violating Verse 256 of the Koran. In those countries, Islamic rules are imposed on everyone and those who disobey are brutally punished. I can name example after example.

It seems to me Verse 256 is every reason NOT to have a government that follows an official religion. In a secular government the right of all are respected. Christian churches, Islamic mosques, Jewish synagogues and Bhuddist temples all live together in peace. The government's job is to protect the rights of all and not to forcibly impose one religion over another as in the case in the 2 above mentioned countries.

Maher is one of my best friends, if not the best. The cornerstone of our relationship is mutual respect. He is a devout Muslim and I am an atheist, yet we fully respect each other and we firmly uphold and defend each other's right to disagree. Maher is a true Muslim - he is tolerant, respectful, and follows Verse 256 to the letter.


August 22, 2017, 12:16 AM
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I have a question for you aa1234779. But since I'm tired, I'm going to speak in French, I'm unable to speak in English.
Then you will have to hear me answer what google translates..  ;D

As to the question, I shouldn't be confined to your three choices.. In your lands, Non-Islamic land, you are permitted to drink alcohol both publicly and privately. In Muslim lands, you can in private, no one is allowed to invade the privacy of a man's home.

aa1234779 does not want to kill anyone, in fact, your comment about that sounds like you are stereotyping me as a fanatic of sorts that takes joy in committing such a crime.

I same as you are don't have any land or property at all and probably won't for years to come. I'm also 35. Unemployed. No wife or children. These are some of the reasons for me not to be proud of coming from a certain place where many of my rights are not given, but most importantly believing in a better future for me and others who share my beliefs of unity & prosperity whether it be where I live or in a land far away.
Allah says (أرض الله واسعة فهاجروا فيها) The land of Allah is vast so immigrate through out it.
I don't care much where I live as long as I'm getting my rights.

BTW, I never try to convert folks to Islam, this thread is to collect fine made documentary films and discuss them.


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If we define Sharia law as that which is practiced in Iran or Saudi Arabia, then the leaders  of those countries are directly violating Verse 256 of the Koran.

Sharia is not present on this earth nowadays, just partial implementations here & there, or shall I say, partial secularism.

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In those countries, Islamic rules are imposed on everyone and those who disobey are brutally punished. I can name example after example.
The same can be said to any other laws, whether it is American, French, British, Indian, Chinese, or whatever.
Even if real untainted Sharia law is present, and an uprising of sorts comes into place, it will be wiped out. Same as everywhere.

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It seems to me Verse 256 is every reason NOT to have a government that follows an official religion. In a secular government the right of all are respected. Christian churches, Islamic mosques, Jewish synagogues and Bhuddist temples all live together in peace. The government's job is to protect the rights of all and not to forcibly impose one religion over another as in the case in the 2 above mentioned countries.
The two mentioned countries are not representative of Islam, but are of the rulers of the two countries.
As to the Arabian peninsula, the Messenger of Allah told his Companions & followers to forever expel Christians & Jews from it. That did not completely happen back then, and now it is definitely not happening as we all know for sure. There are people of all religions living in the Arabian peninsula, although no public places of worship for them are present. Smaller places are present in living compounds and even churches in UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain.

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Maher is one of my best friends, if not the best. The cornerstone of our relationship is mutual respect. He is a devout Muslim and I am an atheist, yet we fully respect each other and we firmly uphold and defend each other's right to disagree. Maher is a true Muslim - he is tolerant, respectful, and follows Verse 256 to the letter.
Difference in religion or opinions shouldn't be an obstacle to mutual respect.  :)

Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 22, 2017, 03:24 PM
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I'm also 35. Unemployed
How lucky you are!
It depends where you are, but assuming you live in the Gaza strip (it may not be the case), well, you are almost part of the majority.

And don't forget what Coluche was saying:

"When I was little, I wanted to be unemployed.
Now I'm grown up ... I'm unemployed.

I hesitated between unemployed worker and unemployed boss...
And then, finally, I chose worker.
Well, I did the right thing: there is more choice.

I was replaced by a machine with the whole team of guys.
Ah, a great machine! It does all the work for us!
It does it better than we did...

And above all, the machine, it does not need a salary, it needs no rest, it does not need holidays, it's never sick!
And even worse, it does not even need work!

Because everyone yells: "Yeah, there are 3 million people who are demanding work ..."
It's not true !!... Money would be enough."


And if you want to watch a movie with Coluche, you can still download l'aile ou la cuisse, available here: http://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=1023.msg28146#msg28146
As for the little creature in the bath, well, I think it could be God, at least we have no photos proving it's not him.
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August 23, 2017, 05:27 PM
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Well, once again, I will give advice to aa1234779, before going to bed.

You said you were unemployed, but do you really need a job (in fact, do you need money?). What's more, are you ready to do a "shitty job", for example dustman, or cleaning the @ss of the old people? Those jobs are useful, but few people are brave enough to do that, and there are manpower shortages. Nowadays, if you are looking for a job of good-for-nothing lurking in a open space office, well, chances are you won't find anything. The period where some people were paid to do nothing is over, I mean today you'll find something if you accept to get your hands dirty.

August 24, 2017, 08:25 PM
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aa12345779 -> I'm not too clear as to what your opinion is. You believe the legal systems of Iran and Saudi Arabia do NOT represent Sharia and are in effect dictatorships set up by governments who misinterpret the Koran to suit their needs. It seems to me everyone disagrees on what is Sharia law really is. I'll say this: if true Sharia law guarantees that everyone's beliefs are respected, then I'm totally in favor.

You quoted Verse 256 which, as I understand it, says Islam is a religion of peace and respect. This runs contrary to the notion of a government which favors one religion over another. In a secular government (one that leaves religion out) you are free to follow Islam as you wish and others are also free to follow their beliefs (or lack of them). The government's duty is to protect everybody's rights. I am under the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the Islamic Caliphate you mentioned favors Islam over other religions. No good! Take a pencil and scratch out Verse 256, the 2 concepts can't coexist.

August 27, 2017, 03:28 PM
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Well, tonight I'm going to hold a conference. But first a thought for humbert who may have feet in the water at this moment.
I will talk about oil, and reassure aa1234779, who is unemployed.

In its medium-term annual report (2017-2022), the International Energy Agency (IEA) has formalized what its executive director, Fatih Birol, has been saying for months, in unison with the bosses of large companies: The world supply of crude oil will remain abundant by the end of the decade, but it will be hard for production to meet demand soon after 2020. Since Investment in exploration and production halved since their peak in 2014, it could lead to shortages and a new surge in prices.

And I’m going to reassure aa1234779, because I think the end of oil is nearing, at least we have more and more clues suggesting that it's the case (oil sands development, the fact we discover less and less oil), and it’s going to trigger drastic changes in our societies. In Paris, for example, I can see more and more Bicycle couriers in the street. It’s probable that cars will disappear too, by the end of the next decade. It also means that the capitalist world is going to crumble, somehow. And it's probable we won’t have the same jobs in 10 or 15 years, if we have no more energy. In my opinion, we will need more people in rural areas, to produce food for example.