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August 27, 2017, 06:58 PM
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aa12345779 -> I'm not too clear as to what your opinion is. You believe the legal systems of Iran and Saudi Arabia do NOT represent Sharia and are in effect dictatorships set up by governments who misinterpret the Koran to suit their needs. It seems to me everyone disagrees on what is Sharia law really is. I'll say this: if true Sharia law guarantees that everyone's beliefs are respected, then I'm totally in favor.
Sharia law is a complete & just system that suits humanity's needs. You may differ with me on this.

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You quoted Verse 256 which, as I understand it, says Islam is a religion of peace and respect. This runs contrary to the notion of a government which favors one religion over another. In a secular government (one that leaves religion out) you are free to follow Islam as you wish and others are also free to follow their beliefs (or lack of them). The government's duty is to protect everybody's rights. I am under the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the Islamic Caliphate you mentioned favors Islam over other religions. No good! Take a pencil and scratch out Verse 256, the 2 concepts can't coexist.

This is the meaning of the whole verse 256 of Surrah 2:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing

There is also another verse worth noting in Surrah 18 (The Cave) Verse 29:
And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.

It says believe in what you wish in life, and you will be dealt with accordingly in the afterlife. Forcing belief upon people is not the Islamic way or practice. If some Muslims do that then it's their wrongdoing and Islam should not be responsible for that.

I don't know what you mean by favoring Islam over other religions, but Muslims have lived along with Christians, Jews, and the Magi (fire worship) for hundreds of years. The Non-Muslims pay the Jizya which is 2% of income & no other taxes should be imposed on them, and they live freely within the true Islamic state with all their rights respected same as Muslims. In fact, there have been cases where the poor Non-Muslims were given benefits to buy food, clothing, and a place to stay like a modern day welfare system. All of this happened 1400 years ago. Try reading about the Pact of Umar which dictated how things will go on after the Caliphate took Palestine from the Romans. I wish it could come back into practice once again and the whole Palestinian/Israeli issue will be solved, and Jerusalem (Al Quds) will once again bring people of many faiths under the right & just system of rule.

« Last Edit: August 27, 2017, 07:02 PM by aa1234779 »
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 28, 2017, 04:06 PM
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I wish you were right aa1234779. But I'm a bit puzzled. If God was so powerful, I'm wondering if there would be as many problems on the planet.
You should tell us where the Islamic caliphate and the generous caliph are, there are Syrian panhandlers sit on mattresses or sleeping in tents strewn with garbage on the avenue de Clichy who are waiting for your answer.
Well, I'm sure Maher is reading this topic with interest, not to say impatience. And I remember he was saying in a topic a few years ago that God had no son. He seemed a bit abashed when he was asked: what about Jesus? (at least that's the case for both Muslims and Protestants who think Jesus is not the son of God). Actually, you are a bit like him: you have a literary interpretation of religion, but it seems you don't feel free to give constructive criticism.
Frankly, do you think that a Caliphate forcing some communities to pay the Jizya would be attractive?
I also know that Judas Iscariot is not quoted in the Koran. Then do you believe Judas was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity instead of Jesus (I'm going to call him Issa, his Arabic name, in case you don't know him). Muslims teach that Judas Iscariot, the betrayer and thief, is the real saviour of Christians: it was actually Judas who actually died on the cross and because Judas had a similar physical appearance to Jesus even his own mother didn't recognize him at the foot of the cross. For 600 years Christians had been preaching Christ crucified. Then Muhammad comes along, jumps off his camel and gets a direct revelation from God that the universal record of history and the 10,000 manuscripts of the Bible, are all wrong. The idea that Judas was crucified instead of Christ is a bit outrageous, what do you think about it?
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August 29, 2017, 03:19 AM
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I wish you were right aa1234779. But I'm a bit puzzled. If God was so powerful, I'm wondering if there would be as many problems on the planet.
You should tell us where the Islamic caliphate and the generous caliph are, there are Syrian panhandlers sit on mattresses or sleeping in tents strewn with garbage on the avenue de Clichy who are waiting for your answer.

Check out this link, an interesting read, and it will answer this question:
Why Does Allah Allow Suffering and Evil in the World?
https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=885

As to the Islamic Caliphate and the generous Caliph, I'm afraid they aren't present in our day to take care of the millions of refugees that have left their countries. Some of the reasons are internal and some external, e.g. Sykes–Picot Agreement and the likes of it. It does pose a problem that there isn't a safe haven for people of war-torn countries, most of whom are Muslims. Europe is reaping what it sowed during Colonialism, and post. They have a problem at their hands that must be dealt with, the refugees, and the reality that must be fixed by not interfering with coming transformations (hopefully peaceful) or engaging in ties with leaders that do no good for their people.

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Well, I'm sure Maher is reading this topic with interest, not to say impatience. And I remember he was saying in a topic a few years ago that God had no son. He seemed a bit abashed when he was asked: what about Jesus? (at least that's the case for both Muslims and Protestants who think Jesus is not the son of God). Actually, you are a bit like him: you have a literary interpretation of religion, but it seems you don't feel free to give constructive criticism.

Well, I try my best to do so..

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Frankly, do you think that a Caliphate forcing some communities to pay the Jizya would be attractive?

There is no forcing in Jizya, either pay up or pack up. Just like any other system of rule in the sense that you are not obliged to pay your taxes yet if you don't, their will be consequences like prison and fines and so on.

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I also know that Judas Iscariot is not quoted in the Koran. Then do you believe Judas was crucified on the cross, in a case of mistaken identity instead of Jesus (I'm going to call him Issa, his Arabic name, in case you don't know him). Muslims teach that Judas Iscariot, the betrayer and thief, is the real saviour of Christians: it was actually Judas who actually died on the cross and because Judas had a similar physical appearance to Jesus even his own mother didn't recognize him at the foot of the cross. For 600 years Christians had been preaching Christ crucified.

There is no mention in Islamic sources of Judah being the one crucified, there is a story who Ibn Abbas, the cousin of the Prophet peace be upon him and the most knowledgible in Quranic meanings, that one of Prophet Issa's companions asked to turn himself in instead of Prophet Issa and in return be with Issa in heaven.

That day was a Friday, in the evening. They surrounded `Isa in the house, and when he felt that they would soon enter the house or that he would sooner or later have to leave it, he said to his companions, "Who volunteers to be made to look like me, for which he will be my companion in Paradise'' A young man volunteered, but `Isa thought that he was too young. He asked the question a second and third time, each time the young man volunteering, prompting `Isa to say, "Well then, you will be that man.'' Allah made the young man look exactly like `Isa, while a hole opened in the roof of the house, and `Isa was made to sleep and ascended to heaven while asleep
Ibn Abbas


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Then Muhammad comes along, jumps off his camel and gets a direct revelation from God that the universal record of history and the 10,000 manuscripts of the Bible, are all wrong. The idea that Judas was crucified instead of Christ is a bit outrageous, what do you think about it?
There are historical facts that the original Bibles were changed after the Council of Nicaea and only traces of the original narrations are still present within the 20,000 or so editions of the Bible we see today which differ from each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
A new creed was in place for Christians to be followed (Trinity) and the Romans prevailed in changing the religion and it's texts.
As to the idea of Judas being the one crucified. I don't know, it could be him, it could be someone else. There is no hard evidence in Islamic scripture that it was him or a certain person other than the above narration of Ibn Abbas.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2017, 04:00 AM by aa1234779 »
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 29, 2017, 06:30 AM
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It's impressive, you have a lot of knowledge.

My conclusion is simple : I won't invite you for a barbecue at my father's (pork cutlets after a little glass of Pastis). Or we'll have to change the menu. (I don't know if you drink alcohol, but I guess you don't). I don't know if Maher is in favor of Sharia, but he must be thinking you are even more "jusqu'au-boutiste" than him.
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August 29, 2017, 09:19 AM
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It's impressive, you have a lot of knowledge.

My conclusion is simple : I won't invite you for a barbecue at my father's (pork cutlets after a little glass of Pastis). Or we'll have to change the menu. (I don't know if you drink alcohol, but I guess you don't). I don't know if Maher is in favor of Sharia, but he must be thinking you are even more "jusqu'au-boutiste" than him.

hahaha I love barbecues too bad for me..

What's with the comparison to Maher (May Allah preserve him) in every post here? ;D
I haven't had the honor to know him, but I'm sure that he as a person coming from a Muslim culture has his own views on these issues. Disagreement can be a mercy. Sometimes.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2017, 09:24 AM by aa1234779 »
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 29, 2017, 11:02 AM
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hahaha I love barbecues too bad for me..
What's with the comparison to Maher (May Allah preserve him) in every post here? ;D
I haven't had the honor to know him, but I'm sure that he as a person coming from a Muslim culture has his own views on these issues. Disagreement can be a mercy. Sometimes.

Well, I was assuming you don't eat pork. But after all, we also made barbecued sardines, it's delicious. And like Maher you already speak a few words in French aa1234779 (now you know the words barbecue and sardines,  these words are the same in French).
As for Maher, I was referring to this topic: http://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=333.0
And I also know he's very religious (it's the first thing he asked me when I called him). But as far as Sharia is concerned, he does not live in a country where it is applied.
Actually few countries are fully applying Sharia law, and judging by your statements, you are probably living in one of the following countries or you are planning to do so: Mauritania, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Brunei.

August 29, 2017, 02:11 PM
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I'm currently in a little park. It's hot here. And with this heatwave it was hard to work today.
I still don't know the whereabouts of our friend aa1234779, but I'm sure I'll know it one day.

And a little French lesson for aa1234779: You can say "Je veux un barbecue de sardines" but if you don't pronouce it very well and say "Je veux rejoindre Ansar Dine", the meaning is totally different.
A bad joke, I guess.

August 29, 2017, 03:02 PM
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I'm currently in a little park. It's hot here. And with this heatwave it was hard to work today.
I still don't know the whereabouts of our friend aa1234779, but I'm sure I'll know it one day.
So you still don't know where I live. Yeah, I believe you. ;D
Anyways, I try to keep my location to myself for privacy reasons. What does that make me?

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And a little French lesson for aa1234779: You can say "Je veux un barbecue de sardines" but if you don't pronouce it very well and say "Je veux rejoindre Ansar Dine", the meaning is totally different.
A bad joke, I guess.
Bad joke, but still funny. Millions of Muslims around the world are Pro-Sharia yet aren't extremists if you were hinting by the joke that I am.
What does Ansar Dine mean? The supporters of religion. If that's what you meant, not the armed groups, then all devout Muslims are Ansar. That support shouldn't be violent, it can be with conveying the message and showing the bright light of Islam that the international media doesn't or shows the opposite of.
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU

August 29, 2017, 03:28 PM
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Anyways, I try to keep my location to myself for privacy reasons.

Because if you tell me you are in Lahore, and you are very happy, I can believe you. If you are currently in a café in the 8th arrondissement of Paris, drinking a beer, and telling me there is nothing better than Sharia, then I would think you're an hypocrite. In this case, it's true, you could be afraid I might pack my suitcase and go to your palace.
No matter anyway.

and here is a movie if you didn't watch it yet (les visiteurs, with english subtitles): https://ufile.io/q5ejd

August 29, 2017, 03:58 PM
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Anyways, I try to keep my location to myself for privacy reasons.

Because if you tell me you are in Lahore, and you are very happy, I can believe you. If you are currently in a café in the 8th arrondissement of Paris, drinking a beer, and telling me there is nothing better than Sharia, then I would think you're an hypocrite. In this case, it's true, you could be afraid I might pack my suitcase and go to your palace.
No matter anyway.

and here is a movie if you didn't watch it yet (les visiteurs, with english subtitles): https://ufile.io/q5ejd
I don't really care if you think I could be in a palace boasting about Sharia or in a Paris bar or happy in Lahore. It's the ideas that matter most whether yours, mine, Maher's, humbert's etc... in the WWW, not the place of residence. Pressing me to say where I live is useless & invading of  something I choose to keep private. Thanks for the movie.
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) said “Surah (chapter of) Hud and its sisters turned my hair gray"

Hud (11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqxo4UDVfU