(https://i.ibb.co/f8z3Gqm/Ugo-V-h2-Vape-Pen-E-Cig-Starter-Kit-1-800x800.jpg)
I'm smoking with this kind of device. tested a lot of tastes: peach, strawberry, soft fruit, green tea. the latter is my favorite.
If you too, then give your opinion.
According to the number of answer there I guess few of you have such a device. However it has advantages: the liquid product contains nicotine so it can replace easily the classic cigarette, without harming your health since there is no ammonia, toluene, carbon monoxide, because as you smoke a liquid, there is no combustion.
Probably some of you are smoking the chicha with a hookah. It must be used without excess.
(http://medias.psychologies.com/storage/images/famille/ados/le-monde-des-ados/articles-et-dossiers/mon-ado-fume-la-chicha/1775977-1-fre-FR/Mon-ado-fume-la-chicha_imagePanoramique500_220.jpg)
The other advantage of the electronic cigarette is the fact that you wont attract the looters who need standard cigarette to harm their health. Its obvious that a hoodlum or a common beggar will not smoke this kind of device, smoking cigarettes will permit them to die more rapidly from a lung cancer.
I've never smoked in my life but I do know this much - the offensive poison gas emitted by regular cigarrettes has nothing to do with the active ingredient (nicotine). The problem is that smokers have to inhale that garbage and bother those around them in order to get their nicotine hit. This is the reason I totally agree with you that the best thing to do is to eliminate the regular product and substitute it with this. Who knows, might even try it myself! I'd never use regular ones. In this I'm a little like Hitler - I just can't stand it!
you probably look like him for other things...
humbert requiring his henchmen to install windows 7 64 bits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7u716LI8iQ
I think it is illegal here in sweden, but I just hate going on trips with my parents when they smoke smells bad and gives me headaches.. How much do they cost? Can one carry this sort of ciggarette around like normal ones?
yes they are legal here, even in public place since there is no law, its too recent. the only law concerning them, is the prohibition to sell them to child under 18. In france, I think outside paris there are only a few shops selling them, but here they are numerous. More and more smoke shops are selling refill as they sell less killing cigarettes. The device costs roughly 50 euros, while a refill costs 5 euros and can last a week.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on August 26, 2013, 12:35 AM
I think it is illegal here in sweden, but I just hate going on trips with my parents when they smoke smells bad and gives me headaches.. How much do they cost? Can one carry this sort of ciggarette around like normal ones?
Your parents smoke? I'm surprised. Given your chronological age, your parents shouldn't be all that old (I assume no higher than 50). This is especially true in Sweden which is a very advanced country with a very high standard of living. Here in America smoking has dropped tremendously in the past 30 years, and I'm guessing in Sweden it's more than that.
@Scarface - you're correct. My henchmen are out to forcibly upgrade people to Win 7/8-64 if their computers can handle it. Ever since I bought my first computer (an Atari 800XE), resistance to upgrades has been prevalent. Many people are either too lazy to learn or simply afraid to depart from something they know. A perfect example is what I told you once - when Windows 3.11 went mainstream, there was a lady who wanted to stick to plain old DOS and saw no need to go to anything else. How many people today even know what DOS is?
Quote from: humbert on August 26, 2013, 08:33 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on August 26, 2013, 12:35 AM
I think it is illegal here in sweden, but I just hate going on trips with my parents when they smoke smells bad and gives me headaches.. How much do they cost? Can one carry this sort of ciggarette around like normal ones?
Your parents smoke? I'm surprised. Given your chronological age, your parents shouldn't be all that old (I assume no higher than 50). This is especially true in Sweden which is a very advanced country with a very high standard of living. Here in America smoking has dropped tremendously in the past 30 years, and I'm guessing in Sweden it's more than that.
@Scarface - you're correct. My henchmen are out to forcibly upgrade people to Win 7/8-64 if their computers can handle it. Ever since I bought my first computer (an Atari 800XE), resistance to upgrades has been prevalent. Many people are either too lazy to learn or simply afraid to depart from something they know. A perfect example is what I told you once - when Windows 3.11 went mainstream, there was a lady who wanted to stick to plain old DOS and saw no need to go to anything else. How many people today even know what DOS is?
My dad is over 50, and mom is under 50, (they differ 3 years) but they refuse to say how old they are when I ask them.. So honestly, I don't know how old my parents are.
Alot of people smoke in sweden, it's a fact. But how many I don't know. For as long as my parents smoke I will not say that only a few swedes smoke. Even if that may be the case compared to many other countries.
really difficult to estimate their age if you dont give the age of your cat too...(just joking)
in fact there are only 2 solutions: either 52/49 or 51/48...
@Shadow - are you saying you don't even know your parent's dates of birth? Hasn't it occurred to you to simply look at some document they might carry around (such as a drivers license)?
Is their birthday also a state secret?
Also, the .97 in your name - does that indicate you were born in 1997?
his age in the profile is matching this...
shadow97 is probably the youngest specialist here while topdog has said he's without doubt the oldest in the forum
Quote from: scarface on August 28, 2013, 10:33 PM
his age in the profile is matching this...
shadow97 is probably the youngest specialist here while topdog has said he's without doubt the oldest in the forum
Yes, I'm 16, born April 1997. Thanks for the idéa to check on their drivers license, never would've thought of it! Anyways, my parents bought a new car today. Skoda superb I think it was, they'll ruin it with smoke on the first day..
And no, it's not a secret here (birthdates)
Shadow - some of my wife's family members smoke too, but they've imposed a strict policy on themselves prohibiting smoking in cars or their bedroom precisely to keep out the horrendous stench. Your mom and dad have just smoke anywhere and have no such policy?
BTW, I looked at the car. It looks very nice and the fuel economy is superb. Does it have air conditioning? Also - how necessary is a car in Vaxjö? I'm asking because one thing I noticed in Europe is that very often you can get around using public transport. Sadly here in America that's impossible unless you live in New York.
When it comes to chronological antiquity on the forum, I have that dubious title. I remind everyone this is chronological and by no means mental - my mind is much younger. :). And speaking of chronological age, let me ask Shadow this: if and when you find out your parents' DOB, kindly post them here - I'm curious. ;D :D
About the transport in Europe, I'm going to answer in place of shadow.97...
I think you have prejudice. I know you have been to Paris but have you been elsewhere?
If you come to Paris, you can effectively have the impression that the public transports are well developed in Europe, as its one of the best in the world...(the RER A is the busiest commuter line in the world). Now try to go out of the region ile de France and go on a journey in Creuse, a rural department which is almost desert (80 000 persons for 6000km²) crowded with dodderers, farmers, and cows. On certain roads, I'm sure you won't see more than a car per hour if you are hitchhiking, and maybe a few tractors. In Europe, besides Paris, London, and big towns, if you have no car you are crippled.
(https://i.ibb.co/YkJCnnk/france-Creuse-Ess.jpg)
Quote from: humbert on August 29, 2013, 08:37 PM
Shadow - some of my wife's family members smoke too, but they've imposed a strict policy on themselves prohibiting smoking in cars or their bedroom precisely to keep out the horrendous stench. Your mom and dad have just smoke anywhere and have no such policy?
BTW, I looked at the car. It looks very nice and the fuel economy is superb. Does it have air conditioning? Also - how necessary is a car in Vaxjö? I'm asking because one thing I noticed in Europe is that very often you can get around using public transport. Sadly here in America that's impossible unless you live in New York.
When it comes to chronological antiquity on the forum, I have that dubious title. I remind everyone this is chronological and by no means mental - my mind is much younger. :). And speaking of chronological age, let me ask Shadow this: if and when you find out your parents' DOB, kindly post them here - I'm curious. ;D :D
Haha. Well, a car is necessary because well, my mom can take the bus to work. Dad can't he works on far the other side on the town and have very odd working times.
Also it should have AC, but we use our car to drag our caravan and to drive to and from our summer house.
Almost everyone around our area has atleast 1 car.
We could travel over almost the whole sweden with public transport but the timing on bustops would be a pain because if we were to go to our summer house we'd have to take like 5 different buses and it would probably take about 10hours to get there, mainly because of waiting for the buses and it only goes 1 bus each day to our summerhouse.
"In Europe, except paris, london, and big towns in Europe if you have no car you are crippled." Is very true, but even if you're crippled you'd get a car here :P!
Hi, comrades, I'm back. :)
As about topic subject - I stopped smoking when I was at third class at school. ;D In fact I smoked with my playmates when I was on summer vacation at Ukraine (they said that smoking is cool, and I, at my 8 y.o., thought that they're right.) I smoked about a month, later I thought that it's not interesting, and stoped this.
And hate to be in same room with smokers. That's because of when I worked at factory, near my server room was exit to stairway, and there was a place for smoking. Workers who worked at processing hall regulary went to stairway (to take a smoke-break), but... the trouble was that my room had ventilation intake from stairway. :-\
Of course after I wrote a terricones of papers with requests, factory management gave order to re-built ventilation and fix that problem, but that all took about a year. I made a temporary filters on a vent exit, but a part of smoke anyway had go through. That was absolutly terrible, filters was covered with dark-yellow fallouts. Also, that was another problem with dust (factory produced a ceramic and carbon parts and that ceramic-carbon dust was everywhere)... But that's another story. :)
As for electronic cigarettes - they're very popular between "cool machos" and posers here in Russia, like an IPhones. They think that it's symbol of status, but all other (normal) peoples thinks that they're dumb posers.
Also, nichrome wire from e-cigarettes is very good for make an ignitors for rockets and explosives. (http://rybinsk20.narod.ru/Smile/_pic-smile/108.gif)
Quote from: scarface on August 29, 2013, 10:06 PM
about the transport in Europe Im going to answer in place of shadow.97...
I think you have prejudice. I know you have been in paris but have you been elsewhere?
If you come in Paris you can effectively have the impression that the public transports are very developped in Europe, as its one of the best in the world...(the rer A is the busiest commuter line in the world). Now try to go out of the region ile de France and go on a journey in Creuse, a rural department almost desert (80 000 persons for 6000km²) crowded with dodderers, farmers, and cows. On certain roads Im sure if you are hitchhiking you wont see more than a car per hour, and perhaps a few tractors. In Europe, except paris, london, and big towns in Europe if you have no car you are crippled. By the way I had put a picture of the town of shadow.97 in the topic survive the economic collapse.
Let me begin by saying that nowhere on this planet do small towns have any kind of rapid transit system. They make sense only in large metropolitan areas. In the small towns I've visited outside the USA you can either walk, catch a taxi or maybe a bus. Regarding large European cities, I've been to Madrid, Paris and Amsterdam. In none of these 3 cities do you really need a car. Traveling by underground subway is easy in both Madrid and Paris. Since Amsterdam is underwater, an underground system is impossible, but they have an excellent network or rail cars. By comparison, here in the USA without a car you're dead. Rapid transit is terrible and all you see is a vast road network. It hard to find a place to walk or ride a bicycle, and even if you did the distances are incredible. For example, when I lived in Miami to visit my mother I had to drive 35 km, and then another 35 km to get back home. I would love nothing more than to live in a place where a car is more a luxury than a real necesity.
@Daniil - regarding your comments about people smoking a polluting the ventilation systems, I don't know how things are over there, but here the mindset of those who still smoke is to go outside or to a designated area where their pollution harms nobody. This wasn't the case many years ago, back then they'd smoke anywhere regardless of whether it was bothering anyone else.
@Shadow - assuming your new car has A/C, do you really need to use it? Does your house have A/C? Does the temperature in Vaxjö reach or exceed 30°C for very long? I'm asking because everywhere I've lived, without A/C you're dead. In Miami you've got 32°C and 75% humidity, in San Antonio 38°-40°C and 40% humidity. I estimate my electric bill this month will be around $250, and easily 75% of that is to run the A/C.
I have no A/C, no car, and Im still alive. I dont have the climate of miami though. I even thought I should send mr bozo (the bonzai), because it wont stand the frost this winter.
Its not surprising that in the US you cant live without a car, this country has been built with the assumption that the supplies of oil will be always plentiful, the densities of the town are too weak to build efficient public transports.
For me with the economic collapse (you know that for me only the date is unknown), the US will have big difficulties. I dont see a bright future for a town like Las Vegas, which is in the desert for example.
To give you a few numbers found on wikipedia,
San antonio: 1 327 407h 1067km²
paris+close suburbs: 6 599 000h 752km²
you understand why in a town like san antonio you cant have an efficient subway or other things, it would be too costly. Its not the case for NY which is densely populated.
To change the subject, I was thinking of the people having difficulties in English on the forum. For me and Humbert its not really difficult since humbert lives in the US and since Ive studied it for a long time. For someone like Ahmad Im pretty sure its difficult to understand everything on this forum. As a cultivated person he's probably fluent in both classic and modern Arabic, but probably its not of any use for him on the forum. For example an angel would tell a prince arriving in the paradise "kuntu fi intizarika" in classic Arabic (I was waiting for you), the prescience wouldn't use an Egyptian jargon . Also note the difference between paradise in english, paradis in French and al Jannah in arabic. Clearly some people are deserving in here.
@humbert That's correct here as well. At factory was a dedicated place outside the building, where smokers could smoke "for their health". :) And at summer all was fine. But at winter it's a bit cold and snowy here, so smokers jammed at stairway. By the factory rules they "must smoke only in dedicated places", but management sat far from stairway and workers, of course, didn't follow rules. Well, as always and everywhere, you know. :) At the end of winter I said them that if they continue this, I'll start to beat their faces. That's took effect, but workers was very angry. :)
Also, as we speak about electricity prices. 250$? Why so many? Here we use a lot of electricity, esp. at winter. At december lights is on almost always, also my computers eats a lot. But we pay 450-500R (about 15$) per month. Or you use electricity for cook and heat also?
@scarface You rise very interesting subject, comrade. It's very interesting and usefull to find and understanding differences in languages and, throu it, in menthality. Language is a mirror of a "way of thinking", and it's very tight linked with social and culthural differences and history.
While I talks with you here and with other foreigners in offline, I understanding, that peoples from any country is very close to each other. We use same programs, faces the same problems, all love our womens and respecting our ancestors. And cultivated peoples from any nations (it's strange to me, but it's a fact!) have close ideals, ideas and way of thinking. Small differences based on our history and culthure, our religion and our training. Understanding that differences helps us to understand each other, and work and communicate much better.
to daniil: in Russia electricity is particularly cheap (because Russia has some gas, for the moment...) compared to the rest of Europe at least.
Quote from: humbert on August 31, 2013, 12:31 AM
Quote from: scarface on August 29, 2013, 10:06 PM
about the transport in Europe Im going to answer in place of shadow.97...
I think you have prejudice. I know you have been in paris but have you been elsewhere?
If you come in Paris you can effectively have the impression that the public transports are very developped in Europe, as its one of the best in the world...(the rer A is the busiest commuter line in the world). Now try to go out of the region ile de France and go on a journey in Creuse, a rural department almost desert (80 000 persons for 6000km²) crowded with dodderers, farmers, and cows. On certain roads Im sure if you are hitchhiking you wont see more than a car per hour, and perhaps a few tractors. In Europe, except paris, london, and big towns in Europe if you have no car you are crippled. By the way I had put a picture of the town of shadow.97 in the topic survive the economic collapse.
Let me begin by saying that nowhere on this planet do small towns have any kind of rapid transit system. They make sense only in large metropolitan areas. In the small towns I've visited outside the USA you can either walk, catch a taxi or maybe a bus. Regarding large European cities, I've been to Madrid, Paris and Amsterdam. In none of these 3 cities do you really need a car. Traveling by underground subway is easy in both Madrid and Paris. Since Amsterdam is underwater, an underground system is impossible, but they have an excellent network or rail cars. By comparison, here in the USA without a car you're dead. Rapid transit is terrible and all you see is a vast road network. It hard to find a place to walk or ride a bicycle, and even if you did the distances are incredible. For example, when I lived in Miami to visit my mother I had to drive 35 km, and then another 35 km to get back home. I would love nothing more than to live in a place where a car is more a luxury than a real necesity.
@Daniil - regarding your comments about people smoking a polluting the ventilation systems, I don't know how things are over there, but here the mindset of those who still smoke is to go outside or to a designated area where their pollution harms nobody. This wasn't the case many years ago, back then they'd smoke anywhere regardless of whether it was bothering anyone else.
@Shadow - assuming your new car has A/C, do you really need to use it? Does your house have A/C? Does the temperature in Vaxjö reach or exceed 30°C for very long? I'm asking because everywhere I've lived, without A/C you're dead. In Miami you've got 32°C and 75% humidity, in San Antonio 38°-40°C and 40% humidity. I estimate my electric bill this month will be around $250, and easily 75% of that is to run the A/C.
In the summer it's not uncommon that a car reaches up to 60C in the sun. I don't know much about humid, but I personally hate heat(25C+) I just don't feel well when I'm in such heat. But when it's summer here it reaches 25-40C when it's the hottest, and at those times my parents usually have semester and we go out with for example the car. Our "old car" which is getting scrapped(crashed but still working) had no AC and my parents have been looking on cars for quite some time.
Also I'm not sure if it's AC we have but it's something that takes air from the outdoors and blows it in when it's hot inside.
We have something called "Fjärr värme"("something" heat[I don't know what it's called^^]) I don't really know how it works, but they have a massive pillar(which is thick) where they take heat and transport it all over the city, we also have some weird cooling thing which takes the cold from the lakes and takes it to buildings (Which I don't understand why, just use a ceiling fan?)
A/C needed in Sweden? the global warming is faster than I thought.
Anyway 40° it doesnt happen very often, at least it was never recorded during the last 80 years.
http://www.smhi.se/sgn0102/n0205/temprec_en.htm
Quote from: scarface on August 31, 2013, 10:54 PM
A/C needed in Sweden? the global warming is faster than I thought.
Anyway 40° it doesnt happen very often, at least it was never recorded during the last 80 years.
http://www.smhi.se/sgn0102/n0205/temprec_en.htm
It only happens when you're behind a window
the best solution:
(http://i2.cdscdn.com/pdt2/8/5/4/1/700x700/imd854/rw/pare-soleil-rigide-130-x-60-cm.jpg)
True, true. Hang it under the windglass, while car parcked on a direct sunlight, and it will reflect sun beams.
Quote from: scarface on September 01, 2013, 12:19 AM
the best solution:
(http://i2.cdscdn.com/pdt2/8/5/4/1/700x700/imd854/rw/pare-soleil-rigide-130-x-60-cm.jpg)
But it's hard to always have in the car, as it takes up plenty of space when you need to cover the front window, and it should not be used when you're riding in the car.
;D Ke-ke-ke... ;D Of course you should take it off when you're driving. ;D
As for place - well, it's not so many. It turns in a small roll (about 8-10 cm in diameter), and you can put it on the back seat or on the shelf behind the rear window.
When I worked and lived in Miami, I had a sun shield just like the one in the picture. Fortunately today I don't go out as much, plus I have the luxury of putting the car inside the garage away from the sun. Here and in Miami if you can't keep your car out of the sun, a thing like this is a good idea. Summertime temps in a parked car in the sun with the windows rolled up can easily reach 70°C !
Yes, in tropical climate thing like that is very important. A crazy idea, but... If make this shield with solar panels, we can recharge car accumulator or doing something usefull while car stays at sun...
New studies have found evidence that e-cigs are not harmless. Ive decided to stop this too.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-new-cancer-study-found-e-cigarettes-affect-cells-the-same-as-tobacco-smoke
Daniil -> Even if you create an economic solar panel that can charge a car battery in the sun, who would buy it? The battery retains its charge for months. In an emergency a pair of jumper cables would solve the problem if somebody else volunteers their car to help you start. And of course, if you have a stick-shift car you can push start it. Probably 99% of Americans can't drive a stick.
scarface -> Who said anything about e-cigs being safe? I said they were safer when directly compared to regular cigs, and were a good alternative for somebody like iih who was having a problem quitting. As you know, nicotine is a toxin that can easily kill you. Tobacco plants produce it to defend themselves against caterpillars and other organisms that would normally eat their leaves. The problem is it's a double-edged sword - a quantity insufficient to kill you produces an addictive calming effect. To make matters worse, the body metabolizes it very fast, which is why smokers often smoke and smoke and smoke - they're trying to keep the high going. The advantage of e-cigs is that nicotine is the only toxin you get. With regular ones you get carbon monoxide, partially consumed hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen and other good stuff along with the nicotine. And of course as you know, e-cigs don't smell and therefore eliminate the horrendous stench.
Well, humbert is probably right, nothing is safe. Not so long ago, I heard a man died after taking pure caffeine. That's not a reason to stop drinking coffee, let alone stopping ecigarettes, since they have not proved to be harmful.
I know that advertising is forbidden down below, but I'm taking the risk. You know, I was thinking that after meeting humbert, Nietzsche was so blown away that he invented the concept of Superman. Then, after his journey in Palestine and his thorough discussion with Maher, he concluded that God was dead. Therefore, Maher or humbert are way too important to do any harm in here (Ahmad too, let's not forget him).
I was joking.
So, I tested another excellent liquid, called fifth rank and made by Five pawns. This liquid is a bit expensive but it has a very good taste, a lively fusion reminiscent of the lost vintage drink known as the “Lime Rickey,†but with a substituted sweet champagne. The effervescent note of horehound herb is counterbalanced by a sweet cream, vanilla bean, roasted almond, and a twist of lime. The Five pawns products are high end liquids with subtle aromas, made in California by a former cook.
You can find these liquid on internet: http://fivepawns.com/
and in Paris too, at the e8 shop: https://fr-fr.facebook.com/pages/E8-Comptoir-de-la-Cigarette-Electronique/628789490534999
(http://i.imgur.com/sCyYiJ8.jpg)
@Scarface - In no way is your post considered "advertizing". This is merely a recommendation, which is very different.
I'm not surprised that guy died after drinking pure caffeine. Caffeine is a neurotoxin just like nicotine. Plants that produce these chemicals do so in order to defend themselves against insects that would otherwise eat them alive. As we all know, these chemical produce beneficial but highly addictive effects in humans and other mammals. And of course anything in excess is dangerous - 5 liters of pure clean water will kill you.
I don't think a guy like Nietzche would have been impressed atfter meeting me. :)
I went to another shop to test some e-liquid. I found a good one, an home-made product by a craftsman of the street Menilmontant in Paris 20.
The way of Samovar is a luxury product, presented with a beautiful bottle sealed with a cap covered with wax. This liquid has a sweet, refined and complex tobacco taste. It contains spicy and woody aromas, a mix of tea and white maple syrup. This premium liquid, quite dry and not very sweetened, whose aromas are perfectly mixed, seems to be the adequacy between the softness of a pinot and the strenght of a Japanese whisky.
However, even with 6mg of nicotine, the hit is quite strong.
It's not an advertisement, but if you want you can call to order a bottle, they can be sent abroad. The salesclerk is a friend of mine.
(https://i.ibb.co/BG05M9F/8496823vxm6-Gs.jpg)
Like I said below recommendation ≠advertizement.
Let me ask you, how do you ingest the contents of that bottle you're telling us about?
Did you see the first post humbert?
If you ever buy some eliquid, don't drink it or use a syringe, you would meet a sticky end.
If you dont know if ecigs are currently allowed in your country, use this link:
http://visual.ly/interactive-world-vaping-map-ecigarette-users?view=true
It's still unclear in some countries. It's allowed in most states of the US, in France, in Pakistan, in India, but whereas ecigs are banned in Egypt, it's legal to vape...
I don't know if it's allowed in Palestine, maybe the master could enlighten us and tell us if he has ever seen some people smoking the electronic wand in the streets of his town.
E-cigs are legal here. In fact, I don't permit smoking in my home but e-cigs are en exception. They do not have the disgusting smell the regular ones do.
I'm not too clear on the method of delivery of the product in the bottle. The e-cigs I've seen are long rods with a battery and a nicotine pack. Some of them have replaceable nicotine packs and even batteries, but I've yet to see a device compatible with a bottled product.
For those who want to order liquids with or without nicotine, I tried a new premium brand that I wanted to advertise.
This brand is ambrosia. I tried a fragrance called Notos, which is rather soft and tastes like green tea and lime.
Here is the website: http://www.ambrosia-paris.fr/
(http://i.imgur.com/hLlmuk2.jpg)
Why would anyone want to order vaping products without nicotine? As far as I know this is the active ingredient that produces the calming effect.