Guys, I know I'm being lazy by not Googgling for an answer to this, but let me ask you a question: If you had 2 PC's running different versions of Windows, what's the best way to move files from one to the other without installing software on the receiving computer? This nice old widow friend of my wife asked me to please transfer pictures from her late husband's computer to hers (she can barely use one). The husband's computer was running XP and she had 7-64 preloaded. I transferred the pictures with a temporary USB drive using Total Commander's portability feature. Sure, it worked, but then I dawned on me there's gotta be a better way. What if you connected the 2 PC's LAN ports with a crossed cable, or maybe a special USB cable I think I saw somewhere? What software could I use?
I don't know how many of you are Total Commander freaks (as I am), but given that, I'm even beginning to think that the solution may be under my nose and I'm not seeing it.
1) Why use TotalCommander? Connect a USB to the first computer and copy files to it using windows explorer itself. Then put the USB in the 2nd computer and retrieve them. This is the simplest method.
2) Online tools. RAR,Zip or 7zip the pictures, and send by mail, or you can use any hosting services also like rapidshare, megaupload, etc. 2nd simplest method.
3) If the network is internal only, you can use ethernet to transfer files. Just need to assign IPs, and/or enable file sharing.
As far as 1 know, for someone who is not so familar with computer, it is more adequate to make them do manual work. What I mean is to make the wife connect the USB and disconnect it.
No matter the OS used, USB pendrives are accessible.
Quote from: an7war on September 11, 2011, 11:40 PM
1) Why use TotalCommander? Connect a USB to the first computer and copy files to it using windows explorer itself. Then put the USB in the 2nd computer and retrieve them. This is the simplest method.
2) Online tools. RAR,Zip or 7zip the pictures, and send by mail, or you can use any hosting services also like rapidshare, megaupload, etc. 2nd simplest method.
3) If the network is internal only, you can use ethernet to transfer files. Just need to assign IPs, and/or enable file sharing.
As far as 1 know, for someone who is not so familar with computer, it is more adequate to make them do manual work. What I mean is to make the wife connect the USB and disconnect it.
No matter the OS used, USB pendrives are accessible.
Thanks for your answer. Right after logging off my curiosity got the best of me, so I went to Total Commander's help file. It allows you to create a server machine and a client machine and connect to computers using a "Windows Easy Transfer Cable" ($15 to $20 online price). You'd work only off the client machine and could do just about anything except run a program on the server. Of the methods you mention, certainly they all work (I used a removable USB drive due to the number of pics involved), but I'd be interested on how you would use a crossed cable to accomplish the same feat. After hooking up the cable to both LAN ports, you'd have to go into Windows' networking setup and create IP addresses? I assume you'd also have to share the drives.
I like the idea of using your wife to do the dirty work. That's how they learn.
Thanks,
I don't know much about Total Commander, but when you say "could do just about anything except run a program on the server", you mean in terms of files or in terms of remote connections?
Using an ethernet cable, you can share files between 2 PCs. After plugging in the cable at both end, set the IP address manually. Put the same value for gateway and DNS on both PCs, and both must be in the same workgroup and have file/printer sharing on.
Then, go to either PC, open Network/Network Conn. to see the other PC in the same workgroup.
If you have a router/switch/hub, you can do the same. Just connect both PCs to the router, enable file sharing, and be in the same group. You will already have an intranet/LAN network available.
I forgot about Windows 7 Homegroup feature. Basically, if PCs are in the same network, then they can be in a Homegroup and decide what to share. What is needed is only the password. However this feature is only among Windows 7 computers!
Quote from: an7war on September 16, 2011, 01:14 AM
I don't know much about Total Commander, but when you say "could do just about anything except run a program on the server", you mean in terms of files or in terms of remote connections?
First of all, I feel many people should look seriously into Total Commander. You can find it for download on the Pirate Bay or just about anywhere. Like Firefox, it has tons and tons of plugins and add-ons available, i.e., you choose the bloat you want and disregard the one you don't. Be that as it may, the way it works (according to the instructions) you turn on Total Commander on both PC's using the remote USB cable I mentioned. It does NOT have to be installed on any PC, it's fully portable -- you run a program that comes with it and it'll install a portable version
with all plugins on a pendrive with a batch file to start it up from My Computer (or whatever). What I meant about "you could do anything except run a program", one computer will appear on one pane and the other on the 2nd pane (files and directories). Working from the client, you can transfer files back and forth, delete, rename etc., everything but run a program. When you're finished just click "disconnect" on both computers and you're back to normal. I haven't tried it yet because I don't have a remote transfer cable -- for just one use in order to help a friend, not worth buying it. At home I transfer files using my network.
Quote from: an7war on September 16, 2011, 01:14 AM
Using an ethernet cable, you can share files between 2 PCs. After plugging in the cable at both end, set the IP address manually. Put the same value for gateway and DNS on both PCs, and both must be in the same workgroup and have file/printer sharing on.
Then, go to either PC, open Network/Network Conn. to see the other PC in the same workgroup.
If you have a router/switch/hub, you can do the same. Just connect both PCs to the router, enable file sharing, and be in the same group. You will already have an intranet/LAN network available.
OK, that makes plenty of sense. The only thing I'm not too familiar with is Windows 7 homegroup feature. When I set up my home network, I did like with previous versions of Windows, i.e., I went to where it defaults to "Workgroup" and changed the name (same on all computers), and from there I created my little home network. I remember that for some reason, when I included the new laptop, I had to click on "this is a work network" to get the thing to work. Can you tell me why, or what I'd have to do if I wanted to create a home network?
Total Commander? I think I used to use that back in the Windows 3.1 days. What's wrong with just using Windows Explorer ("My Computer")?
If you have 2 computers on the same network (either plugged-in/wifi-connected to a router, or with a crossover and manual IPs) all you have to do is open up network neighborhood and drag+drop. If you know the name of the machine or the IP, just type "\\[pc-name-or-IP]". You can directly access harddrives even if they aren't shared with $[letter].
EXAMPLE: Open my computer. In the address bar type "\\remotepc\c$" and press enter (or "\\192.168.1.x\c$").
Then you can open up a local window and have them side-by-side, just like you like to do using total commander :)
Quote from: RPM on November 20, 2011, 10:47 AM
Total Commander? I think I used to use that back in the Windows 3.1 days. What's wrong with just using Windows Explorer ("My Computer")?
If you have 2 computers on the same network (either plugged-in/wifi-connected to a router, or with a crossover and manual IPs) all you have to do is open up network neighborhood and drag+drop. If you know the name of the machine or the IP, just type "\\[pc-name-or-IP]". You can directly access harddrives even if they aren't shared with $[letter].
EXAMPLE: Open my computer. In the address bar type "\\remotepc\c$" and press enter (or "\\192.168.1.x\c$").
Then you can open up a local window and have them side-by-side, just like you like to do using total commander :)
I've hated Windows Explorer since the days of Windows 95 because I found it cumbersome and hard to use. I was introduced to the system TC uses back in the Dos days when I used a proggie called Norton Commander. Subsequently I found what was then Windows Commander in the days of Windows 3.1 and have been using it ever since. What I love about it is the fact that it does just about anything, plus there are tons of free add-ons available for download that'll make it do almost anything you want.
Regarding what you said about networking, the way I have my home network set up with both computers using the same workgroup name, and the drives are shared. I just tried to connect doing what you said (with Windows Explorer, not TC) and I couldn't get it to work :'( -- maybe I'm just not doing it right.
When using a crossover cable to connect two PC's together to share files, you have to use the File Transfer Protocol. On the receiving end install a small ftp server(lots of them out there) and on the first computer install a ftp client. Connect to the server and starts transferring files!
Quote from: psxdogg on November 30, 2011, 12:59 AM
When using a crossover cable to connect two PC's together to share files, you have to use the File Transfer Protocol. On the receiving end install a small ftp server(lots of them out there) and on the first computer install a ftp client. Connect to the server and starts transferring files!
Yes, but in order to use the ftp protocol at all, you need to call a computer with an ip address. Does this mean you have to go into neighborhood networking and manually assign ip addresses to both computers. Do you use 255.255.255.0 as your subnet mask? What about your default gateway?
I remember when I worked, XP was the norm and I assigned static IP addresses to all computers and turned off DHCP on the router's lan side. I don't know quite how to do this in Windows 7 because all I've used is DHCP servers :(
have you tried the remote desktop connection ?
JUST REMOVE THE OLD DRIVE AND CONNECT I TO THE NEW COMPUTER AND NAVIGATE, TO THE FILES YOU WANT TO TRANSFER, EXAMPLE: GO TO THE THE DRIVE '"E" FOR EXAMPLE, OPEN IT, AND BROWSE TO USERS AND SETTINGS, CHOOSE THE USER AND THEN FIND PICTURES, DOCUMENTS, OR MUSIC, SELECT THEM, COPY AND PASTE THEM INTO THE LOCAL USER, EXAMPLE: C>USERS>PICTURES>DOCUMENTS>MUSIC>ETC, ETC...ETC...WHERE EVER YOU WANNA PASTE THEM IS YOUR DECISION...HOPE THIS HELPS..CHEERS...
Quote from: abdou_90 on January 18, 2012, 03:47 PM
have you tried the remote desktop connection ?
Enlighten me.
Ever since the days of XP when I first had 2 computers in the house and found the need to network them, I changed the name "workgroup" to something else (on all computers) and shared the drives. This method worked and I've been using it ever since. With Win 7, I found that this method works perfectly only if you tell Windows you have a "work network" as opposed to a "home network"? I have no clue what the difference between them is, I only know it works.
I have never tried remote desktop connection. Please give me a brief tutorial on how to use it.
Thanks,
Step 1: Configure the Remote Computer
On the remote Windows XP Professional-based computer, follow these steps:
Click Start, and then right-click My Computer.
On the shortcut menu that appears, click Properties.
Click the Remote tab, and then click to select the Allow users to connect remotely to this computer check box.
When you are prompted to confirm this change, click OK.
Click Select Remote Users, and then click Add to specify additional user accounts to be granted remote access.
NOTE: Administrators are automatically granted remote access privileges.
When you are finished adding user accounts, click OK. Make sure that the account that is being added does actually exist on the remote computer. If the account does not exist on the remote computer, create it.
Click OK, and then click OK again.
Step 2: Configure the Local Computer
Configure the Remote Desktop feature on the Windows-based computer. To do this, follow these steps:
Insert the Windows XP compact disc (CD) into the CD-ROM drive or DVD-ROM drive on the local computer.
On the Welcome to Microsoft Windows XP screen that appears, click Perform additional tasks.
Click Set up Remote Desktop Connection.
Follow the steps of the Remote Desktop Connection InstallShield Wizard to install Remote Desktop Connection.
NOTE: If Remote Desktop Connection is already installed, you may receive the following error message:
Remote Desktop Connection cannot be installed because your operating system already has a built-in version. See More Programs\Accessories\Communications\Remote Desktop Connections on your start menu.
Step 3: Connect to the Remote Computer
To connect to the remote Windows XP Professional-based computer, follow these steps:
Log on to the local Windows-based computer.
Make sure that you are connected to the Internet or to the LAN. If you require a dial-up connection to a virtual private network (VPN) or Remote Access server, connect to it.
Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, point to Communications, and then click Remote Desktop Connection.
Click Options.
In the Computer list, type the host name or the IP address of the computer to which you want to connect.
Type the user name, password, and domain (if applicable) of an account to which you have allowed remote access into the corresponding boxes, and then click Connect.
In the Log On to Windows dialog box that appears, type the password of the account with remote access privileges into the Password box .
In the Log on to list, if applicable, select the domain or remote computer that you want, and then click OK.
The remote desktop is displayed in a window on the desktop. The remote Windows XP Professional-based computer is locked during this session.
To disconnect the session, click the Close button in the session window, and then click OK when you are prompted to disconnect the Windows session.
NOTE: If the remote session is displayed in full-screen mode, you may be unable to see the Close button. In this case, restore the window from the remote session banner that is displayed at the top of the session window (click the Restore button).
if you need a client
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/windows-xp
Video tutorial:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpKdkBsIdI
Quote from: BLADESHARK on February 14, 2012, 09:30 AM
if you need a client
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/windows-xp
Video tutorial:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpKdkBsIdI
Thanks for the tip. Whenever you advise me, though, just keep in mind I've been using 7-64 for close to 1½ years now, and I wouldn't go back to XP not even at gunpoint :). However, the site you suggested contains many other videos concerning the transfer of files from one computer to the next using all OS's, so your link was useful regardless. Sadly, though, I couldn't watch the video because I'm spending a few days in Mexico. It's my father-in-law's B/day and they're celebrating - plus the fact that he has a heart condition complicated by type 2 diabetes. We're all hoping it won't be his last B/day celebration. Anyhow, the reason I mentioned that is because the WiFi they have here is so slow even watching a low-def youtube video is impossible - lots of stoppages and refubberings (I'm using my wife's laptop). Can hardly wait to get back home, the wife's family treats me very nicely but it's just very boring here.
Briefly changing the topic, I've noticed Youtube has for all intents and purposes become another Google -- you can search for and find answers for just about anything.
Hello my friend, :)
Quote from: humb25 on February 16, 2012, 04:14 AM
Sadly, though, I couldn't watch the video because I'm spending a few days in Mexico. It's my father-in-law's B/day and they're celebrating
Have nice days there and safely be back soon. :)
I want to understand something ; What does this word mean "
my father-in-law" ?
Does it mean your wife's father and this what you call wife's father there ?
Take care. :D
Hope you are well there in Mexico :P
Wish your father-in-law happy birthday from my side and wish him a long life. :D
Be back soon ;)
will be waiting.................... ::)
Quote from: Ahmad on February 16, 2012, 07:00 AM
Have nice days there and safely be back soon. :)
I want to understand something ; What does this word mean "my father-in-law" ?
Does it mean your wife's father and this what you call wife's father there ?
Take care. :D
To answer your question: the term "in law" usually refers to the same relationship your wife has with her family or your brother/sister has with their husband/wife. My wife's father is my father-in-law, her mother my mother-in-law, and same same goes for her brothers and sisters. Similarly, when my sister was married to her son's father, her then-husband was also my brother-in-law, and I was his too. See how it works?
I'm counting the days go get back home (this coming Monday). As I've said before, they treat me great and we get along fine, that's not the reason. The problem is that they have their things go do, my wife wants to visit cousins and siblings that live in the nearby city of Monterrey (I am in Sabinas Hidalgo, where my father in law is a big landowner). This means I get to spend all day sitting in the living room with my wife's laptop and and ultra-slow internet connection where even viewing a clip on Youtube is a problem. I keep telling them to so much as
ask for a price on how much more bandwidth will cost, but they're just not interested. And of course the TV is still one of those ancient, square low-definition TV's. In America those TV's were made obsolete in 2009 when the government finally ordered all analog signals turned off, and thus TV there is 100% digital.
BTW, all these places I mentioned, for whoever is curious, can easily be found on Google Maps.
Quote from: humb25 on February 18, 2012, 06:42 AM
To answer your question: the term "in law" usually refers to the same relationship your wife has with her family or your brother/sister has with their husband/wife. My wife's father is my father-in-law, her mother my mother-in-law, and same same goes for her brothers and sisters. Similarly, when my sister was married to her son's father, her then-husband was also my brother-in-law, and I was his too. See how it works?
OK, I get it. :)
Well you can easily transfer data one computer to another by cross cable (LAN) network if you have confusion then technical support help gives proper information for trasfring data one computer to another.
Quote from: jacksena on July 02, 2012, 02:34 PM
Well you can easily transfer data one computer to another by cross cable (LAN) network if you have confusion then technical support help gives proper information for trasfring data one computer to another.
This prompts a question. Going to a computer store and buying a crossed LAN cable is the easy part. The question is, how do you configure the PC's so they can talk to each other once you've connected the crossed cable. I'm assuming you'd have to assign each one a separate IP address since nothing acts as a DHCP server, as well as share the drives. This would be on Windows 7, BTW.
This is really an interesting topic for me, because over a year ago i bought a second computer with Windows 7 and my older computer had/has Windows XP. I remember searching everywhere on-line to get information on how to get them to talk with each other and constantly all I heard was that it could not be done. Now I am definately NOT as PC savvy as you guys here, but I am extremely stubborn, hence, I stayed up for two days, fiddling around endlessly, and to my surprise it worked. I can transfer all files, large and small to and fro between the 2 PCs. And when friends of mine want something off of one of my computers, I just plug their laptops into my moden and simply drag and drop from mine to theirs (and most of my friends still have Vista, yet it still works). I could not tell you today what it was that finally did the trick for me. I may be stubborn and relentless, but when I accomplish something, I generally forget right away what it was that I did (probably out of exhaustion). Unfortunately, we have been expirencing a brutal heat wave up her in Toronto (Canada) for two weeks now, and there is no end in sight). Yesterday it topped 50 Celcius with the humidx (not sure what that is in Farenheit). Thus one of my hard drive is kinda starting to crap out. I need to stay off the PC when its this hot, but can't seem to be able to do it for long. Anyway, I'm keeping an eye on it because I don't want to lose the OS because I will be back to square one. I have been thinking about putting Windows Ultimate on the PC with XP as a dual boot just in case I lose the XP OS. But, like I said, I'm not as knowlegable on these things as you guys are. Anyway, nice talking to you all. And I love this site :)
Well, as I remember, connecting via x-cab setting up as any other connection.
First you connect PCs, then type standart IP-adresses and Subnet masks (Gateway, DNS and other must be blank in this type of connection) and, well, it`s done.
For transferring files, you must put computers in one workgroup, and create a share folder at least on one of PCs.
And don`t forget write previous network settings somewhere on paper. ;D
QuoteUnfortunately, we have been expirencing a brutal heat wave up her in Toronto (Canada) for two weeks now, and there is no end in sight). Yesterday it topped 50 Celcius with the humidx (not sure what that is in Farenheit).
Oh my god! :o I`m almost dying here near computers at +28 Celsius... :P
And, btw, UncleVanya, why you own this nickname? It sounds like something from Chekhov books...
Quote from: Daniil on July 08, 2012, 05:02 PMAnd don`t forget write previous network settings somewhere on paper. ;DQuote
Unfortunately, I did not write anything down. As I said, I think I just wanted to be done with it (I know, unwise move). When you start talking about subnet masks and x-via (whatever it was) my eyes just glaze over. It's all gobbledegook to me. I think I resist it.
Oh my god! :o I`m almost dying here near computers at +28 Celsius... :P
And, btw, UncleVanya, why you own this nickname? It sounds like something from Chekhov books...
Ya, well we've had heat records broken four days out of the past two weeks. It hasn't rained in over a month. It's suppose to rain this weekend but it's still going to be in the high 30's. Every year summers just get more and more unbearable. I actually long for winter (but last year it mostly rained; not a lot of snow). I'm close to the New York border and they have the same weather, but they have also been dealing with a black-out for over a week in the eastern states. I'm guessing that a lot of them are sleeping outside in the evening, but it's still in the 30's over night.
By the way, my user name is UncleVanya because I am a big fan of Chekhov (in fact I like a lot of Russian literature). I have a triple major in English lit, Linguistics and Film Theory. Perhaps, as a result, I prefer foreign films. I saw a good (though typically bleak) Russian film last week called Twilight Portrait (very alarming). The linguist in me abhors delibrately confusing language. Perhaps that is why I resist computer speak. Of course there are the really vile corrupters of language like the military, wallstreet and politics (not that they would have anything to hide ;) :-X) Orwell loathed convoluted language (specifically, English) that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible, if not just outright jibberish. As you probably know, he saved most of his disdain for bureaucrats who worked in the aforementioned areas. Nevertheless, today, he would probably never stop laughing if he picked up an IT manual. ??? :o
Anyway, I'm off to walk the dog. Ciao. :)
QuoteUnfortunately, I did not write anything down. As I said, I think I just wanted to be done with it (I know, unwise move). When you start talking about subnet masks and x-via (whatever it was) my eyes just glaze over. It's all gobbledegook to me. I think I resist it.
Well, subnet masks, x-over cables and other stuff mentioned by me is much easier than you can think. Maybe I should write a small manual about connection between computers with Windows OS, and moderators pin it on forum?
QuoteYa, well we've had heat records broken four days out of the past two weeks. It hasn't rained in over a month. It's suppose to rain this weekend but it's still going to be in the high 30's. Every year summers just get more and more unbearable. I actually long for winter (but last year it mostly rained; not a lot of snow). I'm close to the New York border and they have the same weather, but they have also been dealing with a black-out for over a week in the eastern states. I'm guessing that a lot of them are sleeping outside in the evening, but it's still in the 30's over night.
Yeah, really hot and heavy weather.
Here in St.Petersburg winters in last years hmm... I can call this "shifted in time". Ten years ago winters begun at the end of October, and in November there was knee-high snow on streets. And winters had continued to the middle of March. In this year winter has begun at the middle of December, and ended in middle of April. Just like shifting for a month.
Yesterday it was +28C, but today blowing a wind from Gulf of Finland, now it's +21C, so weather is like in heaven. :)
QuoteBy the way, my user name is UncleVanya because I am a big fan of Chekhov (in fact I like a lot of Russian literature). I have a triple major in English lit, Linguistics and Film Theory. Perhaps, as a result, I prefer foreign films. I saw a good (though typically bleak) Russian film last week called Twilight Portrait (very alarming). The linguist in me abhors delibrately confusing language. Perhaps that is why I resist computer speak. Of course there are the really vile corrupters of language like the military, wallstreet and politics (not that they would have anything to hide ;) :-X) Orwell loathed convoluted language (specifically, English) that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible, if not just outright jibberish. As you probably know, he saved most of his disdain for bureaucrats who worked in the aforementioned areas. Nevertheless, today, he would probably never stop laughing if he picked up an IT manual. ??? :o
I've not seen "Twilight Portrait" yet (at last months I had no time - university studies and business). Maybe it's psychologically hard to me watch film like this... But I'll watch it later.
Chekhov is very famous author here in Russia, his books are popular between intellectual people even today. And in my opinion, his books are very important if reader want to stay clean and honest. For me it is like a psychological vaccination, for prevent "transformation in animal".
I had re-read Chekhov previous autumn. But among russian classic authors, I prefer Turgenev.
Well, language corruptions, made by military slang or tech slang is the smallest evil. I'll tell you a secret, I learned English for 50% by reading M$ tech manuals and by playing military simulators like "Operation Flashpoint". :)
And even if language gets many new words from other languages, like Russian language today, it is not an evil. For example, for many economical things our language just have no words, they erased by kommunist ideology. So we simple gets yours terminology.
A much greater evil is if language destroyed by bandits slang, like russian language today. It is very bad, because language becomes like orchish yapping, and if you meet (very rare) a man who speak clear and well, sometimes he just afraid you because of your words, even if you're very good about him.
I was sick with this "bad words disease", it made many problems for me. Today I try to read more classic literature, to learn clear and pure language.
Quote from: Daniil on July 09, 2012, 01:18 PM
Well, subnet masks, x-over cables and other stuff mentioned by me is much easier than you can think. Maybe I should write a small manual about connection between computers with Windows OS, and moderators pin it on forum?
If you can write a small text file to upload as an attachment with instructions on how to get 2 computers to share files with nothing more than a crossed cable, it would be much appreciated. You can zip the file up to make is smalller.
Quote from: Daniil on July 09, 2012, 01:18 PM
Here in St.Petersburg winters in last years hmm... I can call this "shifted in time". Ten years ago winters begun at the end of October, and in November there was knee-high snow on streets. And winters had continued to the middle of March. In this year winter has begun at the middle of December, and ended in middle of April. Just like shifting for a month.
Yesterday it was +28C, but today blowing a wind from Gulf of Finland, now it's +21C, so weather is like in heaven. :)
I WISH it were like that here in south-central Texas, where it's very arid and daily summertime temperatures of 38° to 42° are the norm. I can't imagine this place if there were no air conditioning. As for summers getting warmer, this is by no means long terms, it's due to different weather patterns caused by changing climatic conditions. For example, las year's winter here was "warmer than normal" yet north of the 45th parallel (in North America) it was very cold.
Quote from: Daniil on July 09, 2012, 01:18 PM
Of course there are the really vile corrupters of language like the military, wallstreet and politics (not that they would have anything to hide ;) :-X) Orwell loathed convoluted language (specifically, English) that results in it being excessively hard to understand or even incomprehensible, if not just outright jibberish. As you probably know, he saved most of his disdain for bureaucrats who worked in the aforementioned areas.
Keeping *any* language pure is next to impossible. Corruption and the use of regional slang have been endemic since day one - in all languages.
Quote from: humbert on July 10, 2012, 01:47 AM
If you can write a small text file to upload as an attachment with instructions on how to get 2 computers to share files with nothing more than a crossed cable, it would be much appreciated. You can zip the file up to make is smalller.
Maybe .PDF or .DJVU file would be better choice? In manual about Windows for average user must be pictures. And DjVu compress its documents very well.
Quote from: humbert on July 10, 2012, 01:47 AM
I WISH it were like that here in south-central Texas, where it's very arid and daily summertime temperatures of 38° to 42° are the norm. I can't imagine this place if there were no air conditioning. As for summers getting warmer, this is by no means long terms, it's due to different weather patterns caused by changing climatic conditions. For example, las year's winter here was "warmer than normal" yet north of the 45th parallel (in North America) it was very cold.
Well, if speaking about climate changes - I think, that it is not a global warming. I think, that climate becoming more continental. With more dry and hotter summers and with much colder winters. For example, when I was 10 years old, here in Piter normal winter temperature is about -8... - ...-10 C, it was wery warm winters. For last two years, average winter temp was about -20C, with crazy winds. Global warming, yes, yes. ;D
Quote from: humbert on July 10, 2012, 01:47 AM
Keeping *any* language pure is next to impossible. Corruption and the use of regional slang have been endemic since day one - in all languages.
I don't talk about conserving language on level of XIX or mid-XX century. Life goes forward and language follows its changes. But not all changes are good, and if the changes are bad, we must confront them. In particular, by keep our languages clean. :)
Quote from: Daniil on July 10, 2012, 07:43 AM
Maybe .PDF or .DJVU file would be better choice? In manual about Windows for average user must be pictures. And DjVu compress its documents very well.
Anything that we can read is perfect. I wasn't familiar with the.djvu extension so I looked it up at filext web site. If Irfanview or any graphics viewer can display it, I certainly don't have a problem.
Quote from: Daniil on July 10, 2012, 07:43 AM
Well, if speaking about climate changes - I think, that it is not a global warming. I think, that climate becoming more continental. With more dry and hotter summers and with much colder winters. For example, when I was 10 years old, here in Piter normal winter temperature is about -8... - ...-10 C, it was wery warm winters. For last two years, average winter temp was about -20C, with crazy winds. Global warming, yes, yes. ;D
I agree. The facts simply don't substantiate these global warming claims and most of what you hear is driven by panic. Notice the diagram I uploaded contains worldwide temperature averages from 1979 to the present day. The blue one on the bottom is from satellite measurements and the other 3 are from ground thermometers (I forgot who the sources were, but one of them is NASA). It pretty much speaks for itself.
Quote from: Daniil on July 10, 2012, 07:43 AM
I don't talk about conserving language on level of XIX or mid-XX century. Life goes forward and language follows its changes. But not all changes are good, and if the changes are bad, we must confront them. In particular, by keep our languages clean. :)
I tend to think in most cases the typical street slang you hear tends to disappear once someone becomes more professional. For example, can you imagine a lawyer anywhere in the world going to court to argue a case and using slang? The same analogy applies across the board.
BTW and briefly changing the subject, is that you in the picture on your profile, or just a pic you found somewhere?
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2012, 05:08 AM
Anything that we can read is perfect. I wasn't familiar with the.djvu extension so I looked it up at filext web site. If Irfanview or any graphics viewer can display it, I certainly don't have a problem.
DjVu is an free alternative for Adobe's .pdf. It is like .pdf, but with much, much great data compression. You can read about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu) I think, that this is very perspective format, and I save all my e-books and data converted from paper, in this format.
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2012, 05:08 AM
I agree. The facts simply don't substantiate these global warming claims and most of what you hear is driven by panic. Notice the diagram I uploaded contains worldwide temperature averages from 1979 to the present day. The blue one on the bottom is from satellite measurements and the other 3 are from ground thermometers (I forgot who the sources were, but one of them is NASA). It pretty much speaks for itself.
I have strange expections when I look at this diagram... Maybe the "climat changes" are like a sort of fractals? Small wave, sitting in the great wave, which is in the greatest wave, and so on... How do you think? Oh, thinking now - it will be difficult to prove because we have exact measurings only on about a hundred years...
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2012, 05:08 AM
I tend to think in most cases the typical street slang you hear tends to disappear once someone becomes more professional. For example, can you imagine a lawyer anywhere in the world going to court to argue a case and using slang? The same analogy applies across the board.
In fact of the matter, that it is so! Even a great politicans, like VV and his gang sometimes speaks like this (sometimes even on camera), and after them the lower the more. It is like a plague. Yes, big managers not speaks exact like prisoners or hunky, but about a 50% of theirs words is bad lexicon... Like a "f@#k" and other abusive language on every third word.
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2012, 05:08 AM
BTW and briefly changing the subject, is that you in the picture on your profile, or just a pic you found somewhere?
Yes, it's me. :)
Quote from: Daniil on July 11, 2012, 08:58 AM
DjVu is an free alternative for Adobe's .pdf. It is like .pdf, but with much, much great data compression. You can read about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu) I think, that this is very perspective format, and I save all my e-books and data converted from paper, in this format.
Yes, I've been educating myself about it. I even found out that I'm in business because Universal Viewer (which I use) supports DjVu, so by all means upload your explanation in that format, it would be my first experience with it.
Quote from: Daniil on July 11, 2012, 09:25 AM
I have strange expections when I look at this diagram... Maybe the "climat changes" are like a sort of fractals? Small wave, sitting in the great wave, which is in the greatest wave, and so on... How do you think? Oh, thinking now - it will be difficult to prove because we have exact measurings only on about a hundred years...
Given the fact that these measurement started in 1979, as I see it it's a little too soon for fractals. Go to www.junkscience.com (http://www.junkscience.com) and see the evidence they present. Right or wrong, one thing I like about these guys is that they use hard facts to substantiante their doubts.
Quote from: Daniil on July 11, 2012, 09:25 AM
In fact of the matter, that it is so! Even a great politicans, like VV and his gang sometimes speaks like this (sometimes even on camera), and after them the lower the more. It is like a plague. Yes, big managers not speaks exact like prisoners or hunky, but about a 50% of theirs words is bad lexicon... Like a "f@#k" and other abusive language on every third word.
Who is VV? In any event, I would imagine politicians speak to crowds in slang so they can get their point across more clearly. Still, bad lexicon happens everywhere and is just a part of life -- and it varies in different countries who share she same language or big countries with cities far apart. Some bad lexicon ends up becoming part of the language. I don't think there's such words as "uninstall" or "undelete" in English, for example.
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2012, 05:08 AM
BTW and briefly changing the subject, is that you in the picture on your profile, or just a pic you found somewhere?
Quote from: Daniil on July 11, 2012, 09:25 AM
Yes, it's me. :)
Let me tell you something. If you posted that pic on a dating site, I'm sure plenty of women would write you a letter. :)
OK, I'll uploading "network setup manual" at the end of weekend. :)
VV is Putin. Because he is
Владимир
Владимирович (
Vladimir
Vladimirovich), it is name.
I think that I would not argue with you about bad words in language. In the end, it is personal choice. As for myself, I try not to use such lexicon in my speaking.
QuoteLet me tell you something. If you posted that pic on a dating site, I'm sure plenty of women would write you a letter.
Lol... :) Thanks. ;D
The main thing is that such letter mustn't write by plenty of
gays guys! ;D
Quote from: Daniil on July 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
OK, I'll uploading "network setup manual" at the end of weekend. :)
VV is Putin. Because he is Владимир Владимирович (Vladimir Vladimirovich), it is name.
I think that I would not argue with you about bad words in language. In the end, it is personal choice. As for myself, I try not to use such lexicon in my speaking.
That's correct. I wasn't aware his middle name was Владимирович. I believe in Russian that middle name means "son of....". Krushchev's father was Sergei, so his name was Nikita Segreievitch Krushchev (correct me if I'm mistaken).
Quote from: Daniil on July 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
Lol... :) Thanks. ;D
The main thing is that such letter mustn't write by plenty of gays guys! ;D
Don't worry about gays. Most of them are respectful and generally want nothing to do with straight guys. Besides, when you write about yourself you'll make it very clear you're interested in
women. Believe me, with that picture they'll write you.
BTW, I'm not gay, in fact I live with a woman.
The first part of "Network Setup Manual" - about setting up simple network under 2000/XP/2k3 - is ready now. It made in .PDF format. Where I should upload it?
Quote from: Daniil on July 19, 2012, 06:00 PM
The first part of "Network Setup Manual" - about setting up simple network under 2000/XP/2k3 - is ready now. It made in .PDF format. Where I should upload it?
Very simple - click down where it says "Attachments and other options" and it'll prompt you for the for the file to upload. That way we can all grab it. Be sure it's ≤ 128k in size.
Didn't you say you were going to send this in djvu format?
DjVu can't eat a .docx file as source.
And a file is 374kB (coz there is images in document), so I placed it temporary on my filestorage. You can download it from here: Simple Network Setup Manual, part 1 (http://compconsult.orgfree.com/storage/SNS_p1.pdf).
If anyone from administration of our forum can offer a place on nomaher.com domain for storing that file, it will be good.
Quote from: Daniil on July 20, 2012, 03:46 PM
DjVu can't eat a .docx file as source.
And a file is 374kB (coz there is images in document), so I placed it temporary on my filestorage. You can download it from here: Simple Network Setup Manual, part 1 (http://compconsult.orgfree.com/storage/SNS_p1.pdf).
If anyone from administration of our forum can offer a place on nomaher.com domain for storing that file, it will be good.
I got your file. It took me quite a while to figure out how to download it, but at last it's here. I was just briefly going over it before I read it in more detail, and what you said "For Stalin, for Russia" made me laugh. They were saying that constantly in that movie about the Battle of Stalingrad (I don't remember it's name). The things they show are so horrible I often wonder if they're historically accurate.
As for storage and downloading, I like Dropbox. They give you 2 GB for free and all you do is upload something to their servers. To share it, simply right click on the file and select "Copy Dropbox Link" - take that and paste it where people can grab the file. If you need more online storage, cx.com gives you 10 GB for free. And of course there's always Skydrive with another 7 GB free.
Quote from: Daniil on July 19, 2012, 06:00 PM
The first part of "Network Setup Manual" - about setting up simple network under 2000/XP/2k3 - is ready now. It made in .PDF format. Where I should upload it?
Hey Daniil. :)
You can start a topic with details about what you're presenting, and upload the file to any file sharing site [
Mediafire is recommended].
This is what we do.
Many thanks for the file. :)
Daniil: On the file you uploaded when you gave instructions on putting up a simple network, you didn't specify what to put on default gateway. I would assume if you're using a crossed cable this entry would be blank, right?? By comparison, when a network switch is installed, isn't 192.168.1.1 (or similar) the switch's IP address which you must enter as default gateway? I'm asking because although I've never used a pure switch, I've used routers that double as switches, and all of them have had IP's.
Why did you say it's no good for the computer to use a crossed cable for too long a time? Unless I'm wrong it's just a network like any other. The NIC adapter doesn't know if it's a crossed cable, internet connection whatever else. Please clarify.
Where did you get that dinosaur that has just 3 audio connectors? ;D My old motherboard from 2006 which I threw away already had 6 (your 3 plus rear speakers & subwoofer). Also, is that your finger holding the network cable?
Finally, knowing Ahmad I doubt he'd recommend a "problematic" place to upload a file (e.g., Rapidshare). Still, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get yourself a free Dropbox account. You can upload and post a download link for anything ≤ 2 GB. If it were bigger than that, you could cut the file up with a great freeware proggie called HJsplit (http://www.hjsplit.org/ (http://www.hjsplit.org/)).
@ humbert:
You are not need to set up gateway in this network configuration. The gateway is... well, gateway. :) A semi-passable bridge between two networks of different ranks. So, router, as in your example, is particular type of gateway. And if you use simple switch, you are not need to set a gateway setting.
Connection via crossed cable is not like an other network connection. i am not recommended this type of connection because if your computers are not grounded, and if they plugged in different phases of power line, then you can get an electrical potential of a half power voltage on pc case, e.g. 110V. Sometimes it may be very unpleasure, esp. if you touch case's bare metall. ;D And this voltage also can damage your network adapters. If you connects computers with X-cab, they should be powered from one "pilot".
That motherboard is ASUS P4P800SE. This is my mom's PC. I assembled this PC from parts of old PC's from my previous workplace. 1Gb DDR1 RAM, Intel Celeron 3-with-something GHz, GeForce 4 Ti by Sapphire, simple integrated soundcard, 160Gb SATA HDD. Good PC for INet surfing, storing cookie recepies and chatting with old friends by Skype. And yes, it's my fingers.
If talk about "for Motherland, for Stalin" yell, this was like a pray at that time. For soviet peoples Uncle Joe was like a God at time of War. Today this yell is like an warlike shout "O'kay, bros, let's do it!" in America. :D
And do not believe the films. Stalingrad battle (and War in Russia) was much more horrible.
@ Ahmad
Thank you, dear comrade. I think, this will be the best way.
@ all
I'll correct the manual, put it on a file share server (Maybe "Yandex Disc") and create a topic for network manuals, where place that one, and next.
Quote from: Daniil on July 25, 2012, 09:56 PM
You are not need to set up gateway in this network configuration. The gateway is... well, gateway. :) A semi-passable bridge between two networks of different ranks. So, router, as in your example, is particular type of gateway. And if you use simple switch, you are not need to set a gateway setting.
So if it's just a switch with no IP address, no default gateway is necessary. OK
Quote from: Daniil on July 25, 2012, 09:56 PM
Connection via crossed cable is not like an other network connection. i am not recommended this type of connection because if your computers are not grounded, and if they plugged in different phases of power line, then you can get an electrical potential of a half power voltage on pc case, e.g. 110V. Sometimes it may be very unpleasure, esp. if you touch case's bare metall. ;D And this voltage also can damage your network adapters. If you connects computers with X-cab, they should be powered from one "pilot".
I'm glad you mentioned this. I've noticed that in most of Europe they use what is called the "Type C" electric plug. This is just 2 prongs, not grounded. In America we use the "Type B" plug which has 3 prongs, one for grounding (see pics on electricaloutlet.org (http://electricaloutlet.org)). Since ours is grounded, I don't see how using a crossed cable would be a problem. What you've explained makes sense in Europe where if one of the 2 connected computers has a short in the power supply, it's kill the other one too. This is unless you know something I don't.
Quote from: Daniil on July 25, 2012, 09:56 PM
If talk about "for Motherland, for Stalin" yell, this was like a pray at that time. For soviet peoples Uncle Joe was like a God at time of War. Today this yell is like an warlike shout "O'kay, bros, let's do it!" in America. :D
And do not believe the films. Stalingrad battle (and War in Russia) was much more horrible.
I understand what you mean. The Stalingrad movie showed some serious stuff. Among them was that there weren't enough rifles for everyone, so they took 3 young recruits with 1 rifle and were told that when the guy with the rifle was killed, one of the others would pick up the rifle and shoot, until he was killed.
Quote from: humbert on July 26, 2012, 07:21 AM
I'm glad you mentioned this. I've noticed that in most of Europe they use what is called the "Type C" electric plug. This is just 2 prongs, not grounded. In America we use the "Type B" plug which has 3 prongs, one for grounding (see pics on electricaloutlet.org (http://electricaloutlet.org)). Since ours is grounded, I don't see how using a crossed cable would be a problem. What you've explained makes sense in Europe where if one of the 2 connected computers has a short in the power supply, it's kill the other one too. This is unless you know something I don't.
Ohh, yes. ::) How I can forget, in US you are using a 3-pin plugs... :D Yes, here in Russia in old houses we are often use a C-type plug, and most of all wall outlets are C-type. In new offices and buildings there is normal F-outlets, or, as they calls in Russia, "euro-outlets". And in old buildings for grounding new electronic we must buy a special "pilots" with "fake" ground, or tweak an outlets with a little screwdriver magic. ;D
Quote from: humbert on July 26, 2012, 07:21 AM
I understand what you mean. The Stalingrad movie showed some serious stuff. Among them was that there weren't enough rifles for everyone, so they took 3 young recruits with 1 rifle and were told that when the guy with the rifle was killed, one of the others would pick up the rifle and shoot, until he was killed.
Humbert, for talking about this, let's go to "General Talk" topic. Because here is topic about computers, talking about War, Stalin and other such things may be incorrect here. It's incorrect to flooding in a topic about specific subject, isn't it? :)
Quote from: Daniil on July 26, 2012, 08:34 AM
Ohh, yes. ::) How I can forget, in US you are using a 3-pin plugs... :D Yes, here in Russia in old houses we are often use a C-type plug, and most of all wall outlets are C-type. In new offices and buildings there is normal F-outlets, or, as they calls in Russia, "euro-outlets". And in old buildings for grounding new electronic we must buy a special "pilots" with "fake" ground, or tweak an outlets with a little screwdriver magic. ;D
I know what you mean. Here the A plug once reigned supreme, then the government stepped in and declared them illegal. Now only very old houses have an A plug which, as you can see from the diagram, has no ground connection. For the same reason, all type C plugs will be supplanted by type F. It's just safer and not much more expensive.
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Please check the URL addresses below.
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IP Messenger
- IP Messenger is a pop up style LAN message communication software
for multi platforms. It is based on TCP and UDP/IP.
- This software does not require server machine.
- Folder/file transfer (ver2.00 or later)
- RSA/Blofish Encryption of commnication data (ver2.00 or later)
- Simple, lightweight, and free software :-)
Please check the URL addresses below.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~vz4h-sruz/ipmsg-eng.html
Thanks For The Share!
Quote from: dell143 on August 24, 2012, 01:32 PM
Use IP Messenger Software
IP Messenger is a pop up style LAN message communication software
for multi platforms. It is based on TCP and UDP/IP.
Thanks for the tip. Let me ask you - is this thing portable? Is it necessary to open a port on the router for it to work in an internal LAN? I'm asking because if it's a simple matter of transferring some files from my computer to somebody else's, the very last thing I want to do is install software of their system. This wouldn't be necessary with Total Commander assuming I had a USB transfer cable.