Quote from: humbert on April 04, 2012, 11:50 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 04, 2012, 02:04 AM
Im from sweden, speak swedish and everything. I just selected swedish and it worked
Gosh, that's quite interesting! Whereabouts in Sweden do you come from? You know, it was at Ikea (which certainly you've heard of) that I bought all the furniture in my house. At the restaurant there they serve Swedish food. I relish a plate of Swedish meatballs with mashed potatoes, and I'm totally in love with lingonberry. Since the nearest store is now some 140 km away from me, I usually had to buy no less than 3 bottles of lingonberry. Let me see if you can answer this question for me because, as far as I know, you probably have never been to one of their stores. Those strange names they have for their products, are they simply the Swedish translation of the item, or do they mean something else?
As for Windows, when you say the language pack worked, did it turn your Windows into totally Swedish as opposed to simply adding the keyboard for the proper characters?
Thanks,
In Älmhult/Elmhult(not sure how to spell it as Ä/E sound similair in many cases) where the first store came, i live somewhat close to that, I live in Växjö. but haha, you should taste our homemady lingonberry(the ones thats muched added suggar etc) though i love the meatballs at ikea tastes awesome. But, when it comes to the translation part, sometimes its names and sometimes just random words or so to speak.. But keep in mind that i only know how it is in sweden, so i may be totally wrong with all this :] ______ as with the windows thing, i got OS on English, but keys at swedish. what i can remember i only bought my old chair at ikea ( rip my loved chair *sob*). sorry for this weird text, im on my phone ;)
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
As for Windows, when you say the language pack worked, did it turn your Windows into totally Swedish as opposed to simply adding the keyboard for the proper characters?
According to Bladeshark, when you download a language pack it will turn your Windows totally into the language you selected. If all you want is to add an additional keyboard, simply go to Control Panel -> Region & Languages -> Keyboard and select. You can toggle back and forth using Alt-LeftShift. I guess the only bad part is you'll have to memorize where on the keyboard the other characters are located.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
In Älmhult/Elmhult(not sure how to spell it as Ä/E sound similair in many cases) where the first store came, i live somewhat close to that, I live in Växjö. but haha, you should taste our homemady lingonberry(the ones thats muched added suggar etc) though i love the meatballs at ikea tastes awesome. But, when it comes to the translation part, sometimes its names and sometimes just random words or so to speak.. But keep in mind that i only know how it is in sweden, so i may be totally wrong with all this :] ______ as with the windows thing, i got OS on English, but keys at swedish. what i can remember i only bought my old chair at ikea ( rip my loved chair *sob*). sorry for this weird text, im on my phone ;)
I found both cities on Google maps. For some reason, Gmaps only says "Älmhult" and they've left out the Elmhult. Be that as it may, the city is located south-west of where you are. I'm surprised Ikea would open their first store there, given the fact that they're bound to get more customers in a larger city, not to even mention the fact that it costs money to transport your purchases home unless you bring a truck or something. Now I "sort-of" understand where the strange names for their products come from - some are a Swedish translation, other are arbitrary.
I would absolutely love to taste your home made lingonberry plus any other Swedish food you might have around. As I explained, every time I go to their store, I make it a point to eat at their restaurant.
I know all about coming on the forum using your phone. Yesterday I had no access to a computer and I had to go that route. It's almost like having to use a microscope, not to even mention constantly amplifying the screen and scrolling back and forth.
Hëdjå (goodbye in Swedish),
Humbert (not sure if the umlat above the "e" is correct)
Sorry im not going to quote that long message;) But, its "hejdå"= goodbye but when i go to my cottage on Öland(swedish island) we stop at ikea in Kalmar just to eat food.
But why it was located there in Älmhult was because it was Ingvars home town(founder).
And we dont use "umlats" on "E" Let me just write our keys (in order from left to right)
QWERTYUIOPÅ
ASDFGHJKLÖÄ
ZXCVBNM
Thats the only letters we use, no more no less. (Note we sometimes use like é on names, for example, Linnéa(Female name) showing that the e has to be prounounced with a long "e" otherwise it would sound mushy
OH and another note im kind of useless telling which direction of sweden is north south west east, as we paint sweden "up" but its really like / or \ (Placed like that to north)
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 14, 2012, 02:43 AM
Sorry im not going to quote that long message;) But, its "hejdå"= goodbye but when i go to my cottage on Öland(swedish island) we stop at ikea in Kalmar just to eat food.
But why it was located there in Älmhult was because it was Ingvars home town(founder).
And we dont use "umlats" on "E" Let me just write our keys (in order from left to right)
QWERTYUIOPÅ
ASDFGHJKLÖÄ
ZXCVBNM
Thats the only letters we use, no more no less. (Note we sometimes use like é on names, for example, Linnéa(Female name) showing that the e has to be prounounced with a long "e" otherwise it would sound mushy
Obviously you're right, the ë character is German, as is the word "umlat". I mistakenly believed it was used in Swedish too, but clearly that's not the case. On the Swedish keyboard you typed out for me, is there a "dead key" anywhere to enable the use of é? To give you an idea of what I mean, Spanish keyboards don't have accented letters on them, accents are put in via a key combination. We press the key to the right of P followed by e and get é. Do you have something similar in Swedish for that?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 14, 2012, 02:43 AM
OH and another note im kind of useless telling which direction of sweden is north south west east, as we paint sweden "up" but its really like / or \ (Placed like that to north)
By South and West, I mean below and to the right on the map. :)
Quote from: humbert on April 15, 2012, 07:54 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 14, 2012, 02:43 AM
Obviously you're right, the ë character is German, as is the word "umlat". I mistakenly believed it was used in Swedish too, but clearly that's not the case. On the Swedish keyboard you typed out for me, is there a "dead key" anywhere to enable the use of é? To give you an idea of what I mean, Spanish keyboards don't have accented letters on them, accents are put in via a key combination. We press the key to the right of P followed by e and get é. Do you have something similar in Swedish for that?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 14, 2012, 02:43 AM
We press ´ (To the left of Backspace) then the letter ex E, and for ` its shift and ´
But you can always use ALT and press on numkeys to get letters and such.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 15, 2012, 10:57 PM
We press ´ (To the left of Backspace) then the letter ex E, and for ` its shift and ´
But you can always use ALT and press on numkeys to get letters and such.
That's interesting. Let me ask you - you're using an English version of Windows with a Swedish keyboard and an English character set, or what? And of course, Alt-Numkeys is pretty much universal. In unicode, for example Alt-0229 comes back as å.
One more thing. I was looking up on Google translate some of the words used by Ikea for their merchandise. I'm going to ask about just one. My sofa is called "Ektorp", but the translator comes back with the English word "collector". Do you suppose this is just a word they picked out of the dictionary to call the sofa, or does it have another meaning?
Quote from: humbert on April 20, 2012, 03:52 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 15, 2012, 10:57 PM
Well, Ektorp (Ek, i think is oak?) and torp(is like a cottage of some kind
I use swedish caracter set.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2012, 08:35 AM
Well, Ektorp (Ek, i think is oak?) and torp(is like a cottage of some kind
I use swedish caracter set.
I honestly don't have a clue of where Ikea gets those names for their merchandise. Even your translation doesn't match the one from Google. Other furniture I've bought there are labeled "stornäs", "malm", "engan" and "tullsta". I even went as far as to visit their web site in another tab just to be sure the spelling was correct. Do these words mean anything to you, or are they just made up? Just curious, that's all.
Using a Swedish character set for English is OK given the fact that English has no characters above 127 on the Ascii character table, i.e., it uses no characters that have accents, tildes, double-dots, etc. I believe it should use them given that vowels have different pronunciations on different words, and there are even words that have different meanings according to their pronunciation. Yet that language has no written method of differentiating any of that. Who knows, maybe it's because modern English is not much more than a wierd mixture of French and dialects of Old English, which were used there before the Normandy invasion of 1066.
Quote from: humbert on April 22, 2012, 06:03 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2012, 08:35 AM
Well, Ektorp (Ek, i think is oak?) and torp(is like a cottage of some kind
I use swedish caracter set.
I honestly don't have a clue of where Ikea gets those names for their merchandise. Even your translation doesn't match the one from Google. Other furniture I've bought there are labeled "stornäs", "malm", "engan" and "tullsta". I even went as far as to visit their web site in another tab just to be sure the spelling was correct. Do these words mean anything to you, or are they just made up? Just curious, that's all.
Using a Swedish character set for English is OK given the fact that English has no characters above 127 on the Ascii character table, i.e., it uses no characters that have accents, tildes, double-dots, etc. I believe it should use them given that vowels have different pronunciations on different words, and there are even words that have different meanings according to their pronunciation. Yet that language has no written method of differentiating any of that. Who knows, maybe it's because modern English is not much more than a wierd mixture of French and dialects of Old English, which were used there before the Normandy invasion of 1066.
Yes, actually they do. Stornäs, i think thats an area on the map(Dont ask me where, i dont know more than that). Malm, it is like, iron, gold, and all kinds of minerals collected with one name. Engan, well i have nooo clue about that one(Just came up with something, as Ä is said as E sometimes, it could mean Ängan, which sounds alont link "äng" with an(would be wrongly "bent" word.)could mean like a big area of grass with flowers and such. -> http://cdn01.dayviews.com/27/_u5/_u2/_u8/_u7/_u9/u528797/19062_1209992953.jpg<- . And tullsta(Just me guessing) Tull= toll, and "sta", is often used instead of "stad" which means City, with my accent, i dont say "stad" with D, i only say "sta"(few exceptions may apply).
My accent is "Småländska" if that even interests you :).
And yes, they could mean real words as they have "swedish grammar" applied to them.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 22, 2012, 11:09 AM
Yes, actually they do. Stornäs, i think thats an area on the map(Dont ask me where, i dont know more than that). Malm, it is like, iron, gold, and all kinds of minerals collected with one name. Engan, well i have nooo clue about that one(Just came up with something, as Ä is said as E sometimes, it could mean Ängan, which sounds alont link "äng" with an(would be wrongly "bent" word.)could mean like a big area of grass with flowers and such. -> http://cdn01.dayviews.com/27/_u5/_u2/_u8/_u7/_u9/u528797/19062_1209992953.jpg<- . And tullsta(Just me guessing) Tull= toll, and "sta", is often used instead of "stad" which means City, with my accent, i dont say "stad" with D, i only say "sta"(few exceptions may apply).
I think I know what Ikea's doing. They're simply naming their furniture not after what it really is, but simply giving them a nice name that will sell. They only thing is, they're now worldwide and the names are all in Swedish. Incidentally, in every Ikea store I've been to, the golden Nordic cross with the blue field flies high on a flagpole.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 22, 2012, 11:09 AM
My accent is "Småländska" if that even interests you :)
Your accent? Do you mean the way you speak or what? If so, do Swedes speak in slightly different accents depending upon their region?
Yes, we have alot of accents in sweden, for example, skånska, Stockholmska, göteborska. Sometimes its hard to understand eachother. Btw I didnt know we had a nordic flag xD
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 23, 2012, 12:15 PM
Yes, we have alot of accents in sweden, for example, skånska, Stockholmska, göteborska. Sometimes its hard to understand eachother. Btw I didnt know we had a nordic flag xD
The same situation holds true in many countries, especially large ones. I know of quite a few that have a similar situation, i.e., people speaking the same language only with different regional accents.
As for the Nordic cross, all Scandinavian countries' flags use it, as well as those of Iceland and the Faroe Islands. If you're curious, look it up on Wikipedia, there's an interesting article about it.
I thought scandinavia was Sweden+Norway? ;s maybe i shoould listen to what my teachers say..
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 24, 2012, 08:37 AM
I thought scandinavia was Sweden+Norway? ;s maybe i shoould listen to what my teachers say..
Oh no! Scandinavia consists of 4 countries: Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. All their flags use the Nordic cross. Iceland and the Faroe Islands use it on their flags too, although they are not part of Scandinavia.
Quote from: humbert on April 26, 2012, 06:35 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 24, 2012, 08:37 AM
I thought scandinavia was Sweden+Norway? ;s maybe i shoould listen to what my teachers say..
Oh no! Scandinavia consists of 4 countries: Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. All their flags use the Nordic cross. Iceland and the Faroe Islands use it on their flags too, although they are not part of Scandinavia.
Actually Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark...not Finland. Finland has never been included in Scandinavia, but sometimes people add it in there, because Sweden has a landborder with Finland and a very long history with them as well.
However, then you have the nordic countries which includes 4 mentioned above and Iceland as well.
Yep, another swede has joined the board! :D
Hi Bubster. Good to see you here.
I thought the Faroe Islands counted as Nordic lands, or are they to small to qualify ?
Quote from: topdog on May 25, 2012, 05:18 AM
Hi Bubster. Good to see you here.
I thought the Faroe Islands counted as Nordic lands, or are they to small to qualify ?
Well, it both yes and no to the Faroe Islands. They do belong to the nordic countries, but the islands form a self-governing country under the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark. So both Faroe Islands and Greenland are really parts of Denmark.
Quote from: Bubster on May 25, 2012, 09:24 PM
Well, it both yes and no to the Faroe Islands. They do belong to the nordic countries, but the islands form a self-governing country under the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark. So both Faroe Islands and Greenland are really parts of Denmark.
OK I got you. It's like the UK and the Isle of Man.
Quote from: Bubster on May 25, 2012, 03:30 AM
Actually Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark...not Finland. Finland has never been included in Scandinavia, but sometimes people add it in there, because Sweden has a landborder with Finland and a very long history with them as well.
However, then you have the nordic countries which includes 4 mentioned above and Iceland as well.
Yep, another swede has joined the board! :D
Here is quote from Wiki giving a more accurate definition of "Scandinavia":
Scandinavia[1] is a historical cultural-linguistic region in northern Europe that includes the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, characterized by their common ethno-cultural heritage and related languages. Modern Norway and Sweden proper[2] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula, which overlaps with Scandinavia. Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[3] Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group.[4]
Taking the above into considersation, it's not hard to see why anyone, especially a tropical boy like me, would get confused with the accurate definition.
Changing the subject briefly, I had been meaning to ask Shadow about this, but since you're Swedish I'll ask both of you: does the character "å or caps Å" always pronounced like the letter "O" as in the English words "over" or "open"? I'm asking because, as I was telling Shadow, when I visit Ikea (where I bought all my furniture), at the exit there is a big sign that says "Hejdå (pronounced hā-dō) as we say in Swedish, Goodbye". Notice that vowels with macrons (bars on top) aren't used in English script, but they
are used in the dictionary to denote that the letter is pronounced with it's own name. That's why I'm curious.
Quote from: humbert on May 26, 2012, 04:15 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 25, 2012, 03:30 AM
Actually Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark...not Finland. Finland has never been included in Scandinavia, but sometimes people add it in there, because Sweden has a landborder with Finland and a very long history with them as well.
However, then you have the nordic countries which includes 4 mentioned above and Iceland as well.
Yep, another swede has joined the board! :D
Here is quote from Wiki giving a more accurate definition of "Scandinavia":
Scandinavia[1] is a historical cultural-linguistic region in northern Europe that includes the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, characterized by their common ethno-cultural heritage and related languages. Modern Norway and Sweden proper[2] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula, which overlaps with Scandinavia. Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[3] Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group.[4]
Taking the above into considersation, it's not hard to see why anyone, especially a tropical boy like me, would get confused with the accurate definition.
Changing the subject briefly, I had been meaning to ask Shadow about this, but since you're Swedish I'll ask both of you: does the character "å or caps Å" always pronounced like the letter "O" as in the English words "over" or "open"? I'm asking because, as I was telling Shadow, when I visit Ikea (where I bought all my furniture), at the exit there is a big sign that says "Hejdå (pronounced hā-dō) as we say in Swedish, Goodbye". Notice that vowels with macrons (bars on top) aren't used in English script, but they are used in the dictionary to denote that the letter is pronounced with it's own name. That's why I'm curious.
Oh yes, we are a mess up here. And then from time to time, we have been in cahoots with both Finland, Norway and Denmark (well, invaded and ruled by us)(damn..why did we let norway go with all their oil....and good crosscoutry skiers)
When it comes to how to pronounce the Å, I would say it said more like the A in "fall", "brawl" and "awesome" (spoken in UK english, and not US). No idea how type that in a phonetic way though. The O in "word" and "open" are close, but those are said in a way that is right in between Å and Ö.
If you still wonder, I might upload a soundclip for you, so yo can hear how we say it! ;D
Quote from: Bubster on May 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 26, 2012, 04:15 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 25, 2012, 03:30 AM
Actually Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark...not Finland. Finland has never been included in Scandinavia, but sometimes people add it in there, because Sweden has a landborder with Finland and a very long history with them as well.
However, then you have the nordic countries which includes 4 mentioned above and Iceland as well.
Yep, another swede has joined the board! :D
Here is quote from Wiki giving a more accurate definition of "Scandinavia":
Scandinavia[1] is a historical cultural-linguistic region in northern Europe that includes the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, characterized by their common ethno-cultural heritage and related languages. Modern Norway and Sweden proper[2] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula, which overlaps with Scandinavia. Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[3] Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group.[4]
Taking the above into considersation, it's not hard to see why anyone, especially a tropical boy like me, would get confused with the accurate definition.
Changing the subject briefly, I had been meaning to ask Shadow about this, but since you're Swedish I'll ask both of you: does the character "å or caps Å" always pronounced like the letter "O" as in the English words "over" or "open"? I'm asking because, as I was telling Shadow, when I visit Ikea (where I bought all my furniture), at the exit there is a big sign that says "Hejdå (pronounced hā-dō) as we say in Swedish, Goodbye". Notice that vowels with macrons (bars on top) aren't used in English script, but they are used in the dictionary to denote that the letter is pronounced with it's own name. That's why I'm curious.
Oh yes, we are a mess up here. And then from time to time, we have been in cahoots with both Finland, Norway and Denmark (well, invaded and ruled by us)(damn..why did we let norway go with all their oil....and good crosscoutry skiers)
When it comes to how to pronounce the Å, I would say it said more like the A in "fall", "brawl" and "awesome" (spoken in UK english, and not US). No idea how type that in a phonetic way though. The O in "word" and "open" are close, but those are said in a way that is right in between Å and Ö.
If you still wonder, I might upload a soundclip for you, so yo can hear how we say it! ;D
It also depends on where in sweden you live, so there are many "right" ways to pronounce things. Btw, bubster, where do you live :P
Quote from: Bubster on May 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
Oh yes, we are a mess up here. And then from time to time, we have been in cahoots with both Finland, Norway and Denmark (well, invaded and ruled by us)(damn..why did we let norway go with all their oil....and good crosscoutry skiers)
When it comes to how to pronounce the Å, I would say it said more like the A in "fall", "brawl" and "awesome" (spoken in UK english, and not US). No idea how type that in a phonetic way though. The O in "word" and "open" are close, but those are said in a way that is right in between Å and Ö.
If you still wonder, I might upload a soundclip for you, so yo can hear how we say it! ;D
I'm kind of familiar with Scandinavian history, although clearly nowhere near as much as you are. As for skiing, I tried it once in my life when I visited Canada. After a while after more or less managing the "baby stuff", I saw how easy other skiers came down the hill, so I decided to try it. Big mistake! I got to a point where I was skiing backwards and knew of no way to stop. After finally just falling down, a guy on a snowmobile rescued me (how embarrasing! :( ). That was the last time I saw snow, sadly I haven't seen it again in over 10 years. Maybe one day --
Definitely send me a sound clip properly pronouncing the word "hejdå" and a few others with similar uses of å. And as Shadows says, tell me where you're from in Sweden so I can see if it's your accent. Not too long ago I met a Finnish girl (most Finns speak Swedish, as you know) and asked her the proper pronunciation of "hejdå". She said it just Ikea did.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 28, 2012, 08:34 PM
Quote from: Bubster on May 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 26, 2012, 04:15 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 25, 2012, 03:30 AM
Actually Scandinavia is Sweden, Norway and Denmark...not Finland. Finland has never been included in Scandinavia, but sometimes people add it in there, because Sweden has a landborder with Finland and a very long history with them as well.
However, then you have the nordic countries which includes 4 mentioned above and Iceland as well.
Yep, another swede has joined the board! :D
Here is quote from Wiki giving a more accurate definition of "Scandinavia":
Scandinavia[1] is a historical cultural-linguistic region in northern Europe that includes the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, characterized by their common ethno-cultural heritage and related languages. Modern Norway and Sweden proper[2] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula, which overlaps with Scandinavia. Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[3] Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group.[4]
Taking the above into considersation, it's not hard to see why anyone, especially a tropical boy like me, would get confused with the accurate definition.
Changing the subject briefly, I had been meaning to ask Shadow about this, but since you're Swedish I'll ask both of you: does the character "å or caps Å" always pronounced like the letter "O" as in the English words "over" or "open"? I'm asking because, as I was telling Shadow, when I visit Ikea (where I bought all my furniture), at the exit there is a big sign that says "Hejdå (pronounced hā-dō) as we say in Swedish, Goodbye". Notice that vowels with macrons (bars on top) aren't used in English script, but they are used in the dictionary to denote that the letter is pronounced with it's own name. That's why I'm curious.
Oh yes, we are a mess up here. And then from time to time, we have been in cahoots with both Finland, Norway and Denmark (well, invaded and ruled by us)(damn..why did we let norway go with all their oil....and good crosscoutry skiers)
When it comes to how to pronounce the Å, I would say it said more like the A in "fall", "brawl" and "awesome" (spoken in UK english, and not US). No idea how type that in a phonetic way though. The O in "word" and "open" are close, but those are said in a way that is right in between Å and Ö.
If you still wonder, I might upload a soundclip for you, so yo can hear how we say it! ;D
It also depends on where in sweden you live, so there are many "right" ways to pronounce things. Btw, bubster, where do you live :P
Well, that if of course true Shadow when it comes to dialects of course. Those words i put up there to try and explain how Å sounds, was just the first things that came to my head. Please add some examples too. It is just to hard to explain it with both the different way we talk here in sweden, and also how very different the english words can be pronounced depending on wherein the world you live.
And talk about where someone lives....jag huserar några kilometer norr om vår huvudstad. (That should make some people hurry over to their nearest translation site to see what the h**l I wrote! ;D
Quote from: Bubster on May 29, 2012, 02:29 AM
And talk about where someone lives....jag huserar några kilometer norr om vår huvudstad. (That should make some people hurry over to their nearest translation site to see what the h**l I wrote! ;D
Google Maps says there's a "Huvusta" (no "d") very close to Stockholm. Is that the right one? Also, just give me the town or city, the complete address isn't necessary :)
Quote from: humbert on May 29, 2012, 02:28 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
Oh yes, we are a mess up here. And then from time to time, we have been in cahoots with both Finland, Norway and Denmark (well, invaded and ruled by us)(damn..why did we let norway go with all their oil....and good crosscoutry skiers)
When it comes to how to pronounce the Å, I would say it said more like the A in "fall", "brawl" and "awesome" (spoken in UK english, and not US). No idea how type that in a phonetic way though. The O in "word" and "open" are close, but those are said in a way that is right in between Å and Ö.
If you still wonder, I might upload a soundclip for you, so yo can hear how we say it! ;D
I'm kind of familiar with Scandinavian history, although clearly nowhere near as much as you are. As for skiing, I tried it once in my life when I visited Canada. After a while after more or less managing the "baby stuff", I saw how easy other skiers came down the hill, so I decided to try it. Big mistake! I got to a point where I was skiing backwards and knew of no way to stop. After finally just falling down, a guy on a snowmobile rescued me (how embarrasing! :( ). That was the last time I saw snow, sadly I haven't seen it again in over 10 years. Maybe one day --
Definitely send me a sound clip properly pronouncing the word "hejdå" and a few others with similar uses of å. And as Shadows says, tell me where you're from in Sweden so I can see if it's your accent. Not too long ago I met a Finnish girl (most Finns speak Swedish, as you know) and asked her the proper pronunciation of "hejdå". She said it just Ikea did.
Lovely story about your skiing experience, and you really should try and pick it up again. It is so much being on the hills, fresh after they are covered with a new cover powder, and the go mental down the hillside!!
I will fix a soundclip for you, but right now it is late and I need my bed. Will fix that tomorrow. And in the meantime, you can see if you can decode the post I made earlier quoting Shadow, to find out where I come from! ;)
Quote from: humbert on May 29, 2012, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 29, 2012, 02:29 AM
And talk about where someone lives....jag huserar några kilometer norr om vår huvudstad. (That should make some people hurry over to their nearest translation site to see what the h**l I wrote! ;D
Google Maps says there's a "Huvusta" (no "d") very close to Stockholm. Is that the right one? Also, just give me the town or city, the complete address isn't necessary :)
LOL...you were quick with that. Well what I wrote was "huvudstad" which is swedish for capitol. So what I said was that I live a couple of miles north of Stockholm (the capitol of sweden...I know you know that humbert...but there might someone else who reads this and isn't as well educated)
Quote from: Bubster on May 29, 2012, 02:37 AM
LOL...you were quick with that. Well what I wrote was "huvudstad" which is swedish for capitol. So what I said was that I live a couple of miles north of Stockholm (the capitol of sweden...I know you know that humbert...but there might someone else who reads this and isn't as well educated)
So basically I got it right then :) ?
Quote from: humbert on May 29, 2012, 02:38 AM
Quote from: Bubster on May 29, 2012, 02:37 AM
LOL...you were quick with that. Well what I wrote was "huvudstad" which is swedish for capitol. So what I said was that I live a couple of miles north of Stockholm (the capitol of sweden...I know you know that humbert...but there might someone else who reads this and isn't as well educated)
So basically I got it right then :) ?
LOL...well you guess was Huvusta, which was wrong, but Huvusta is situated a couple of miles north of Stockholm, andyou managed to mention that as well. So I guess you were a bit correct. :D
I have to say this, i have never ever skied in my entire life 8).
Well.. i had a hard time searching for words that i say with "å" on english, i found these: Core(the o), World(Not 100% sure)
Bubster said "å" sounds kind of like: The O in "word" and "open" are close. I cannot agree, sorry! :) The only way i could possibly get "open" to "å" is if i try to say it with "skånska"(dialekt?)
As of now my grammar is failing me.
All i got left to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2GGIVWBIT4
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 29, 2012, 06:28 PM
I have to say this, i have never ever skied in my entire life 8).
Well.. i had a hard time searching for words that i say with "å" on english, i found these: Core(the o), World(Not 100% sure)
Bubster said "å" sounds kind of like: The O in "word" and "open" are close. I cannot agree, sorry! :) The only way i could possibly get "open" to "å" is if i try to say it with "skånska"(dialekt?)
As of now my grammar is failing me.
All i got left to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2GGIVWBIT4
Well what I really said was that was that Å sound more like the a in the words Fall, Brawl and Awesome. Then I was trying to say that, sure if you stretch it maybe Open, but that was just because what Humbert had been told earlier.
But now I have made that sound clip that I promised. it can be downloaded at http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2p8ym43p8w67qzf
*offtopic* dat R! XD
But yes, listen to bubster, he says it right.
Bubster: Thanks for the audio clip you uploaded. As Shadow said, the closest we have to the proper pronunciation of å is the English word "Core". The important thing is that I finally know.
Incidentally, is that your voice? As for where you live, the full address you stated first came up blank on Google maps. I was just wondering if you live in a city or town that's basically a suburb of Stockholm, since you said Huvusta was close and it does appear on Google maps as a separate entity. Another thing: Google translate says that the Swedish translation of "goodbye" is "adjö" -- if so, what's the difference between the 2 words, and is ö pronounced differently from å?
Shadow - what's that ice cream truck with music that you left a YouTube link for?
Quote from: humbert on May 31, 2012, 04:52 AM
Bubster: Thanks for the audio clip you uploaded. As Shadow said, the closest we have to the proper pronunciation of å is the English word "Core". The important thing is that I finally know.
Incidentally, is that your voice? As for where you live, the full address you stated first came up blank on Google maps. I was just wondering if you live in a city or town that's basically a suburb of Stockholm, since you said Huvusta was close and it does appear on Google maps as a separate entity. Another thing: Google translate says that the Swedish translation of "goodbye" is "adjö" -- if so, what's the difference between the 2 words, and is ö pronounced differently from å?
Shadow - what's that ice cream truck with music that you left a YouTube link for?
Oh lol, that is the icecream trucks music track that it plays when it passes by.(Go get some icecream sandwhiches :)
Goodbye= Adjö, Hejdå(more common),ses(see you later), syns(see you later)etc.
And yes Å and Ö, is far from the same, atleast in my opinion. I cant type it out how to pronounce it, the only word i got to know has the "ö" is UK "Girl"(Phoenetic a small "3:")
Huvusta= its like people say cuz, instead of because.
so the correct spelling of it is "huvudstaden"
Quote from: humbert on May 31, 2012, 04:52 AM
Bubster: Thanks for the audio clip you uploaded. As Shadow said, the closest we have to the proper pronunciation of å is the English word "Core". The important thing is that I finally know.
Incidentally, is that your voice? As for where you live, the full address you stated first came up blank on Google maps. I was just wondering if you live in a city or town that's basically a suburb of Stockholm, since you said Huvusta was close and it does appear on Google maps as a separate entity. Another thing: Google translate says that the Swedish translation of "goodbye" is "adjö" -- if so, what's the difference between the 2 words, and is ö pronounced differently from å?
Shadow - what's that ice cream truck with music that you left a YouTube link for?
Yep, that was my voice humbert. (always sounds so horrible when you listen to yourself) And yep, I gurss that Core is a good word to use when trying get ths idea how the Å sounds.
Now to try and clear up some things, with some names and places...
Huvustad = Capitol.............Huvudstaden = The capitol
Huvudsta = Also a name of a suburb to Stockholm (sometimes misspelled "Huvusta")
The city/suburb were I live is situated a little bit northeast of it, in a place called Täby
(Oh crap...I shouldn't have said that...now someone is gonna wonder how the Ä is prononouced!) ::)
Quote from: Bubster on June 01, 2012, 02:45 AM
Yep, that was my voice humbert. (always sounds so horrible when you listen to yourself) And yep, I gurss that Core is a good word to use when trying get ths idea how the Å sounds.
Now to try and clear up some things, with some names and places...
Huvustad = Capitol.............Huvudstaden = The capitol
Huvudsta = Also a name of a suburb to Stockholm (sometimes misspelled "Huvusta")
The city/suburb were I live is situated a little bit northeast of it, in a place called Täby
Gee Bubster, if I were a straight woman I'd say your voice is sexy :) ;). Anyway, you've given me a clear picture of everything now and it's easy to find you.
Quote from: Bubster on June 01, 2012, 02:45 AM
(Oh crap...I shouldn't have said that...now someone is gonna wonder how the Ä is prononouced!) ::)
I'm that someone :) -- how DO you pronounce it? Is there an English word that comes close?
Quote from: humbert on June 03, 2012, 02:14 AM
Quote from: Bubster on June 01, 2012, 02:45 AM
Yep, that was my voice humbert. (always sounds so horrible when you listen to yourself) And yep, I gurss that Core is a good word to use when trying get ths idea how the Å sounds.
Now to try and clear up some things, with some names and places...
Huvustad = Capitol.............Huvudstaden = The capitol
Huvudsta = Also a name of a suburb to Stockholm (sometimes misspelled "Huvusta")
The city/suburb were I live is situated a little bit northeast of it, in a place called Täby
Gee Bubster, if I were a straight woman I'd say your voice is sexy :) ;). Anyway, you've given me a clear picture of everything now and it's easy to find you.
Quote from: Bubster on June 01, 2012, 02:45 AM
(Oh crap...I shouldn't have said that...now someone is gonna wonder how the Ä is prononouced!) ::)
I'm that someone :) -- how DO you pronounce it? Is there an English word that comes close?
Well here we go Humbert...a new sound clip for you
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?462t79yeku1xc6b (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?462t79yeku1xc6b)
In it you will hear how the letters Ä and Ö are pronounced.
I'm saying three words of each letter...and the words are
Ärlig (Honest), Äntligen (Finally) Älska (to love) and then we have Öster (east), Önskan (wish), Övrigt (other)
So now you are very close to be able to say every word you may see at IKEA, and impress everyone around you!
What..wait a second...there is no pr0n section at this place? Boy did I make a wrong turn somewhere.
Oh, sorry...Hi, Bubster is the name and I hail from Sweden...were we live for two things... IKEA and Sex. All we do here is buying furniture from IKEA...assemble them with a hex key and a lot of swearing....and after that we have sex with everyone that is around! At least that is what I have read out on the internet! (so I guess it must be true)
Great place you have here!! (I think I might stick around even without the above mentioned section) ;)
Quote from: Bubster on June 03, 2012, 03:57 PM
What..wait a second...there is no pr0n section at this place? Boy did I make a wrong turn somewhere.
BTW, if you're looking for pr0n, I'll send you a Dropbox link for "torrent searcher". I found this freeware proggie by accident and, believe me, with this you can get anything out there. I leeched so many full featured and complete pr0n movies that there are some which came down in February that I still haven't had the time to look at!! And if you really like it, I suggest you run out and get the biggest USB hard drive you can afford ;).
Quote from: Bubster on June 03, 2012, 03:57 PM
Oh, sorry...Hi, Bubster is the name and I hail from Sweden...were we live for two things... IKEA and Sex. All we do here is buying furniture from IKEA...assemble them with a hex key and a lot of swearing....and after that we have sex with everyone that is around! At least that is what I have read out on the internet! (so I guess it must be true)
I was under the impression nobody had sex is Sweden because somewhere I heard it was too cold for that :).
As for Ikea, as you know by now, I bought ALL my new furniture there when I relocated to San Antonio (TX) from Hialeah (FL) [a suburb of Miami] a year ago at this time. In the Miami area, the Ikea store is located in Sunrise, but here the closest Ikea is in Round Rock (with Google Maps on another tab, you'll immediately find these places). The names they have for their stuff are wierd. My dresser drawer and my bed are both called "Malm", which in Swedish means something else entirely. Some of their furniture names don't even come up in Google Translator! And the assembly? Oh, man!! Worse still, on 2 occasions we had to drive all the way to Round Rock just to get missing parts! Fortunately they were nice about it and gave us the parts for free, no questions asked. But what I absolutely love is the Swedish food they serve. I was telling Shadow I am in love with Lingonberry, and every time we go we buy several jars. Shadow told me that at his house the have it home made. When I told my wife about that, her mouth watered, as did mine :). And of course, at every Ikea store you visit, the gold Nordic cross against the blue field flies high in the wind. I even carry a little tiny one they have me in my fanny pack - all the more now with you and Shadow.
Quote from: Bubster on June 03, 2012, 03:57 PM
Great place you have here!! (I think I might stick around even without the above mentioned section) ;)
I'd love to visit Sweden. All I've heard are great things, and the pics in Google Images are beautiful. What I'd also love is to get away from the heat. San Antonio is cooler in the winter than Miami, but summertime temps of 40° to 43°C are common. In Miami rarely does it go as high as 37°C, but factor in the humidity and it feels much hotter. Last time I saw snow was during a trip to Canada some 12 years ago.
BTW, what the hell is a "stornäs"? (Ikea name)
Quote from: Bubster on June 03, 2012, 03:50 PM
Well here we go Humbert...a new sound clip for you
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?462t79yeku1xc6b (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?462t79yeku1xc6b)
In it you will hear how the letters Ä and Ö are pronounced.
I'm saying three words of each letter...and the words are
Ärlig (Honest), Äntligen (Finally) Älska (to love) and then we have Öster (east), Önskan (wish), Övrigt (other)
I just heard it! Thanks! Clearer than that, not even water. The only problem in talking to the people in Ikea is that almost none of the employees speak Swedish, only those in high places do (remember, this is not Europe). Why they don't make an effort to at least learn something about Swedish is beyond my comprehension. This despite the fact that in many places there are signs in Swedish with the English translation below. I have always been intensely curious about the names for their merchandise, not just what do the mean but why were they even selected.
Hello Bubster,
Nice to have you here!
I love Sweden and I love people from there :)
When I was in Russia I was lucky to be in Kazan, you know why?
Because there was IKEA :D
I knew about IKEA from there. I loved the place and I enjoyed my visits there.
And I still keep some stuff from there.
LOL...how the honk did my introduction end up in this thread and not in the "introduce yourself" thread?!?!? I apologize for that mistake.
@Humbert
QuoteBTW, if you're looking for pr0n, I'll send you a Dropbox link for "torrent searcher". I found this freeware proggie by accident and, believe me, with this you can get anything out there. I leeched so many full featured and complete pr0n movies that there are some which came down in February that I still haven't had the time to look at!! And if you really like it, I suggest you run out and get the biggest USB hard drive you can afford ;).
Who says I don't already have that hard drive? (Damn..better stop now before I get labeled...Perv of the Site!)
When it comes to the names that IKEA uses, they are often names of persons, or areas/villages/places here in sweden. Stornäs as you mention you can find on 9 different location hee in sweden. The name can be broken down though, and then it becomes
Stor = Big and
Näs = Isthmus (is a narrow strip of land connecting two larger land areas usually with water on either side). So it will then mean a big strip of land that goes out into the water, which is probably how the area looked when they named it.
Oh..and
Malm means
OreAlso, I think it is sad that they don't give the employees some introduction to the swedish language...a simple course on a CD at least. Then I thnk it is very common for having guys coming over from sweden to start up the stores in all corners of the world, and train a couple of locals to take over and run the place.
Lingoberry....lol..yep, that is addictive!
@Maher
Thank you very much! Pretty sure that you can find some store where you can buy stuff online too, if you dont' have any stores close to yo anymore! ;)
Quote from: Bubster on June 05, 2012, 04:00 PM
LOL...how the honk did my introduction end up in this thread and not in the "introduce yourself" thread?!?!? I apologize for that mistake.
Apology? C'mon, man!! Incidentally, thanks for poining that out. I'm going to listen to your voice again because I was so concentrated on correctly pronouncing those vowels that mentally I tuned out everything else. I'll have to be when I get back - it's already 22:05 here and I gotta get up early. I'm not Ahmad or Bladeshark who can easily stay days awake and not even know it :) - I've seen them online at 3:00am their time.
Quote from: Bubster on June 05, 2012, 04:00 PM
BTW, if you're looking for pr0n, I'll send you a Dropbox link for "torrent searcher". I found this freeware proggie by accident and, believe me, with this you can get anything out there. I leeched so many full featured and complete pr0n movies that there are some which came down in February that I still haven't had the time to look at!! And if you really like it, I suggest you run out and get the biggest USB hard drive you can afford ;).
Who says I don't already have that hard drive? (Damn..better stop now before I get labeled...Perv of the Site!)
Hey, I'm a pervert and I make no effort to hide it. :) So relax and enjoy it. :) ;) :)
Quote from: Bubster on June 05, 2012, 04:00 PM
When it comes to the names that IKEA uses, they are often names of persons, or areas/villages/places here in sweden. Stornäs as you mention you can find on 9 different location hee in sweden. The name can be broken down though, and then it becomes Stor = Big and Näs = Isthmus (is a narrow strip of land connecting two larger land areas usually with water on either side). So it will then mean a big strip of land that goes out into the water, which is probably how the area looked when they named it.
Oh..and Malm means Ore
Also, I think it is sad that they don't give the employees some introduction to the swedish language...a simple course on a CD at least. Then I thnk it is very common for having guys coming over from sweden to start up the stores in all corners of the world, and train a couple of locals to take over and run the place.
Lingoberry....lol..yep, that is addictive!
Yes, I'm familiar with ithmuses. In fact my first marriage took place years ago in the Isthmus of Panama (look at Google maps and you'll see what I mean) -- big mistake, too young, too naive. Thanks for the explanation regarding those names. Excuse me, you did say I eat my meals on a big isthus the Ingvar family sold me, right? :) Incidentally, here as I type I am sitting on a chair that also has a wierd name, I just can't remember it. The one to my left is a Tusla (I hope I got the spelling right).
Regarding languages, let me ask you this -- would you like to me elaborate on the meaning of the phrase "this isn't Europe", or do you think you know? If not I'll gladly explain in detail when I get back.
Regarding your comments to the chief and his to you, be advised my wife's first encounter with an Ikea store happened when she spent nearly 9 months in Toronto, Canada, studying there before we met. When she came to Miami to live with me, she asked if there was an Ikea there. I was clueless as to what she meant. A few years later, big announcement: Ikea will open a branch in Sunrise (see map). She was tickled to death! When we finally went to see it and had lunch there, I never looked back. :)
QuoteQuote from: Bubster on June 05, 2012, 04:00 PM
BTW, if you're looking for pr0n, I'll send you a Dropbox link for "torrent searcher". I found this freeware proggie by accident and, believe me, with this you can get anything out there. I leeched so many full featured and complete pr0n movies that there are some which came down in February that I still haven't had the time to look at!! And if you really like it, I suggest you run out and get the biggest USB hard drive you can afford ;).
Who says I don't already have that hard drive? (Damn..better stop now before I get labeled...Perv of the Site!)
Hey, I'm a pervert and I make no effort to hide it. :) So relax and enjoy it. :) ;) :)
Phew, god to know that I'm not the only one 8) (Oh dammit...just admitted it again....gonna shut it now!) :-X
Quote
Yes, I'm familiar with ithmuses. In fact my first marriage took place years ago in the Isthmus of Panama (look at Google maps and you'll see what I mean) -- big mistake, too young, too naive. Thanks for the explanation regarding those names. Excuse me, you did say I eat my meals on a big isthus the Ingvar family sold me, right? :) Incidentally, here as I type I am sitting on a chair that also has a wierd name, I just can't remember it. The one to my left is a Tusla (I hope I got the spelling right).
Never heard of ahything called Tusla, and I tried to look it up, but nothing on IKEA...ad Google keeps sending me off to Tulsa!
QuoteRegarding languages, let me ask you this -- would you like to me elaborate on the meaning of the phrase "this isn't Europe", or do you think you know? If not I'll gladly explain in detail when I get back.
Nope, not sure of that one at all. Looking forward to see your elaboration of it.
QuoteRegarding your comments to the chief and his to you, be advised my wife's first encounter with an Ikea store happened when she spent nearly 9 months in Toronto, Canada, studying there before we met. When she came to Miami to live with me, she asked if there was an Ikea there. I was clueless as to what she meant. A few years later, big announcement: Ikea will open a branch in Sunrise (see map). She was tickled to death! When we finally went to see it and had lunch there, I never looked back. :)
Yay. Lucky you! But now I have to let you on to a little secret....so, psst, don't tell anyone else. I actually hate the IKEA stores!!! The furniture are crap (well, not crap but there are so many better things out there that is already assembled when you get them), the stores are horrible (laid out like a big animal pen, that only leads one way) and finally the crowd of people that is always cluttering the store!
The stores outside the swedish borders are a little bit more fun though since the have a food section that we don't have. But it doesn't make up on how I feel about the stores in general though. :P
Oh dang it...I said it out loud!!
Quote from: Bubster on June 06, 2012, 03:58 PM
Phew, god to know that I'm not the only one 8) (Oh dammit...just admitted it again....gonna shut it now!) :-X
The only difference between us and many others who live on this planet is that we don't lie -- they do. :) ;)
Quote from: Bubster on June 06, 2012, 03:58 PM
Never heard of ahything called Tusla, and I tried to look it up, but nothing on IKEA...ad Google keeps sending me off to Tulsa!
This is a spelling error on my part. To make matters worse, I tried to open Ikea's web site to check and the whole thing was in Russian! The search only accepted Cyrillic characters. I'll let you know more when I return. I don't have the luxury of using HideMyAss, this is my old lady's laptop and she prefers Google Chrome :( \ .
Quote from: Bubster on June 06, 2012, 03:58 PM
Regarding languages, let me ask you this -- would you like to me elaborate on the meaning of the phrase "this isn't Europe", or do you think you know? If not I'll gladly explain in detail when I get back.
Nope, not sure of that one at all. Looking forward to see your elaboration of it.
I'll let you know when I get home. Here am am sitting somewhat uncomfortably in the kitchen and it takes a bit of typing. Believe me I'll let you know.
Quote from: Bubster on June 06, 2012, 03:58 PM
Yay. Lucky you! But now I have to let you on to a little secret....so, psst, don't tell anyone else. I actually hate the IKEA stores!!! The furniture are crap (well, not crap but there are so many better things out there that is already assembled when you get them), the stores are horrible (laid out like a big animal pen, that only leads one way) and finally the crowd of people that is always cluttering the store!
As for the furniture being lousy, it's all a question of "you get what you pay for". For example, the Ingvar family wanted $643 for the mattress I sleep on (this is a king size bed). There were "better" mattress out there, the only problem was I simply couldn't afford them, so I went with their offer. Add to this that they also offered me a bed frame that's like a rectangular box where the mattress drops into and fits it. For me this is perfect because the mattress can't move, it says firmly embedded in that rectangle. I searched all over San Antonio for something similar and couldn't find it anywhere. Only Ikea had EXACTLY what I was looking for. Also, I wouldn't say their decoration is all that bad, in fact I actually like the ideal way the redistribute space. Also, as bad as their merchandise may be, so far I have no reason to call to complain about anything. My computer chair is so far the most comfortable one I ever owned - and I bought it on impulse. I was there and just saw it, so I sat on it. I stood up and said, "I'll take it".
I'm surprised there is no food at the Ikea stores there. Ikea without that great food is like Christmas without Santa Claus. :)
And as I said before, in all Ikea stores at the main entrance, there is a huge flag on a pole with a gold nordic cross and blue field. I'm only saying this because somehow I think you may have seen it somewhere before. Who knows, you might even be familiar with the nation, and most importantly the people who own that flag on that pole.
Take care,
Humbert