I started this topic because when there was talk of Internet censorship here in America (hasn't happened yet), I believe I was ready to go with a VPN. During my recent trip to Mexico I found out I've got a lot to learn.
Mexico has no law mandating internet censorship. I tried to do something simple and I failed. I knew that from there, I could not view nor edit my queues from Netflix and Hulu, of which I'm a paying customer, and all because their servers are picking up a Mexican IP address. So this is what I did:
1) I installed the Hide MyAss Firefox addon. The addon blocked cookies, so the site wouldn't let me in. Add to this the fact that, as the site came on, I was bombarded with ads from HMA, all saying "pay, pay, pay" (I hate this). There was nothing on HMA's menu to correct this, plus the fact that there is no way to tell the software what country you want the remote server to think you're in.
2) I then tried one of those programs called "Super Hide IP" or "Real IP Hide". They are garbage. I ran a test with whatismyip.com (http://whatismyip.com) and, not only did it detect I was on a proxy server, it gave me the IP of the proxy server and my real IP also! Netflix's server must have done the same because it also didn't allow me to edit the queue.
What do I do if internet censorship were imposed in America tomorrow? Let's make it simpler - how do I access Netflix next time I travel to Mexico?
Oh damn... ??? And that's "free and proud America", land of glorious revolution heroes, cowboys and goldsearchers... Where all gone? :o Eh... It looks like very soon in USA will be like in USSR at early 1980-s - step left or right from rotting mainstream causes shoot in your back. :-\
Well, let's try to defeat that. You can't watch NetFlix from non-USA IP (I had a try, and site return me invective like "You're not stars-and-lines jedi, I'll not allow you, go f... far out of here!"). But, if you have a pubilc IP (e.g., your home IP isn't LAN IP, you are not after the NAT) you can set up your own proxy (show me a law, which says you can't!).
If you have static pubilc IP, that's just simple - build a proxy server, for example, on Jana Server 2 (http://www.janaserver.de/start.php?lang=en) (Deutch "mirakle of aries teknolodgy, ja, ja, hur-hur!", a very good server, not simple but very functional!), or on Linux SQUID. You need a very simple PC for it, maybe an old one, like a PIII-900MHz. Set up a proxy for allowing to connect with a password, for prevent unwanted users. Then, when you go out from USA, leave you proxy server turned on...
When you need to connect to NetFlix, connect to it using your own proxy. You are assurely allowed to connect to your IP-address (against, show me me a law, which says you can't!), and you can watch NetFlix like from your IP.
If you have dynamic pubilc IP, that's also not a problem. Use No-ip dynamic DNS Update Client (http://www.no-ip.com/downloads.php?page=win), and connect to your proxy not by IP, but by your address (like humbert.no-ip.net)
I'll draw some schemes for this a bit later, maybe that'll be usefull for other forum members also...
@Daniil
On this VPN thing I'm really going to "pick your brains" because I don't know much about the subject. I don't have another PC I can use as my own proxy server, but I'd like to ask something in the event I did. I have a dynamic IP address, which means I'd have to use no-ip. I'm assuming I'd need Jana Server also. I am behind a router which serves as either an internal DHCP server or a static one if I want. Does Jana configure the router accordingly, even opening ports if necessary?
Even if I could get this thing running, how do I prevent proxy detection? As I mentioned, with that "Super Hide IP" and similar programs, whatismyip.com told me that that I was calling in from a proxy server, then it gave me both the IP of the proxy and my real Mexican IP. I'm assuming Netflix's software did the same. It seems to me they know all about proxy servers and have developed defenses against them.
Is there another way to deal with this problem other than putting an old computer online, not even knowing if this trick will work?
Also, let me clarify that so far there is NO internet censorship in America. Fortunately, financial giants such as Google and Microsoft have money and influence, and will stop at nothing to block any censorship law. So far it's all talk but no action yet. Even an article I read on torrentfreak about something to be imposed by some ISP's has simply not happened. Despite all this, you know how life is. I have to be ready immediately, just in case!
In fact there is no such thing like "proxy detection". Many corporate network over the world works through proxies, so I don't think that NetFlix denies proxy itself. IMHO, the root of problem is in fake proxy IP, Super ide IP uses proxy somewhere, for example, in Kazakhstan. And, ofcourse, NetFlix don't like this IP!
Look at this scheme:
(https://i.ibb.co/DRVxW75/hideip.jpg)
Sheme I explains a conception. If we would have a proxy on USA territory, we'll have an access to NetFlix. (Damn, you even can do some business on it - sharing NetFlix to other countries for money... Oh, yes, yes, that's heresy, just thinking out loud...)
Now, look at Scheme II. That's a scheme of your network with proxy. In this case you should use your router like local-only switch with a function of DHCP. All outgoing connection would be executing by proxy-server. On a proxy-server must be raised NAT, proxy, firewall and antivirus. Also, for control, you must raise some remote control server on it (that RC server must be accessed only from inside network). With this network you'll go through proxy from home network and also you can connect with this proxy from outside networks.
BTW with this proxy you can not only connect to NetFlix from outside the America, but also made an 24-hours torrent loader. :)
QuoteIs there another way to deal with this problem other than putting an old computer online, not even knowing if this trick will work?
I don't know other way. Why are you afraid - because it's old or because it's online? Also, to prevent problems, and for understand, can it work, we must make some experiments before building this proxy.
1) Would the proxy be allowed by NetFlix?If you have two computers (one with 2 network adapters), connect one with two network adapters (let's call it "first") directly to an Internet (without router, firewalls and other stuff), and other - to the first. Raise a proxy on first (that may be not only Jana Server, but also any other simple proxy, there is a lot of them in the internet.). Try to connect to NetFlix from other computer. If it works - we're won!
2) Would the proxy be allowed by NetFlix when we connects to it not frou LAN but from outside?OK, connect one computer directly to Internet, raise a simple proxy and set up no-ip. Then go to other network (to an Internet cafe, PC club, to a friends, with pad to a free Wi-Fi area, you name it...), set up proxy connection in your browser and try to connect to NetFlix. If it works - we're won again!
3) Would the proxy works when we connecting from other country?When you again go to Mexica, connect the computer to internet like at exp. 2, and try to connect with it (against like in exp.2) but from Mexica.
If 1 and 2 and 3 returns "true", you can begin to build a permanent proxy server.
QuoteDespite all this, you know how life is. I have to be ready immediately, just in case!
It's wisely "to be always ready".
@Daniil
Thanks so very much for taking the time to explain all this to me and to help me in general. I read your post carefully and downloaded your drawing. Let me explain and ask questions.
The scheme 1 you drew makes perfect sense if indeed as per your illustration, the request from my computer in Mexico is going to both Netflix and some fake proxy somewhere in the CCCP. It was whatismyip.com and not Netflix who detected both IP addresses, i.e., the real one and the "proxied" one. The only thing Netflix did was to put in it's main menu an offer to sign up and the phone number they gave had the typical numerical syntax Mexico uses. There was no point in logging in. In other words, Netflix gave me no warnings about anything, it acted as if the fake proxy didn't exist at all. Does this mean the proxy used by Real Hide IP (or whoever) didn't exist at all? How did they get that strange IP address?
Also, after I wrote you my last message, it occurred to me that one time my cousin gave me a site called anonymizer.nntime.com (http://anonymizer.nntime.com) that allows you to select a country you want to be in, and then from their site you go wherever you want. Just to test, I picked the Czecks Republic and called whatismyip.com - it did NOT detect the proxy server and believed I was in the Czecks Republic. When I called Netflix, it said "we have no service in your country".
I don't think we can pull off scheme 2. I don't have all those computers. Not only that, but my Internet setup is from a cable TV company. The line that comes in is a coaxial cable that goes to their cable modem, which doubles as a 4-port LAN and WiFi router. I've gone into it's setup and simply saw no way to change many default settings. Even with a better router I ordered for use with WiFi I don't know if we can do anything. Naturally I went with the cable company because, when it comes to the amount of bandwidth available, DSL can't even come close by comparison. Also, even if I were able to do all this, how would I even call my proxy server from Mexico given that the IP address is dynamic? How do I know the new address if it changes?
Regarding your question about copying Netflix, this is their setup. When they started, they began by renting movies for an individual fee (e.g., $3.00 a movie). Then they became the first to offer unlimited rentals for a monthly fee. You paid according to how many movies you wanted at the same time. Finally as bandwidth began to increase, they offered unlimited streaming for just $8.00. It was then that I dropped the movie rental plan in favor of streaming. When I did have DVD's mailed to me on the old plan, using Slysoft's software copying them was easy. Slysoft gave you the option of removing the region code and even transcoding the movie so it would be compatible in whatever country you wanted. I stopped copying them simply because I had so many there was nowhere to put them! I might add that my Samsung DVD, which is also my streamer, has a USB port. I seriously doubt it's possible to copy a streamed movie to a USB drive - Netflix isn't that stupid.
Unless I'm not fully informed, I'm thinking that so far unless I find proxy software that really works, it seems the only way around this problem is to go with that web site.
One more question since you are a super technician. If you had a USB A/C power adapter that puts out [for example] 2.1-A, could you charge a device (such as a cel phone) that requires less amperage than that, or would doing this fry the cel phone?
Quote from: humbert on January 01, 2013, 05:15 AM
The scheme 1 you drew makes perfect sense if indeed as per your illustration, the request from my computer in Mexico is going to both Netflix and some fake proxy somewhere in the CCCP. It was whatismyip.com and not Netflix who detected both IP addresses, i.e., the real one and the "proxied" one. The only thing Netflix did was to put in it's main menu an offer to sign up and the phone number they gave had the typical numerical syntax Mexico uses. There was no point in logging in. In other words, Netflix gave me no warnings about anything, it acted as if the fake proxy didn't exist at all. Does this mean the proxy used by Real Hide IP (or whoever) didn't exist at all? How did they get that strange IP address?
On scheme 1 I mean "or". HTTP request may goes directly from Mexico provider OR if you are using proxy, through a proxy server somewhere in the world (ex-USSR, different "Banana Demokratik Republics", Somalia, and other...). In that cases NetFlix will decine your request. Also, RealHideIP may do other thing - it may drive you trough proxy which located also in Mexico, that's explains why you get Mexico sign-in form from NetFlix.
Quote from: humbert on January 01, 2013, 05:15 AM
Also, after I wrote you my last message, it occurred to me that one time my cousin gave me a site called anonymizer.nntime.com (http://anonymizer.nntime.com) that allows you to select a country you want to be in, and then from their site you go wherever you want. Just to test, I picked the Czecks Republic and called whatismyip.com - it did NOT detect the proxy server and believed I was in the Czecks Republic. When I called Netflix, it said "we have no service in your country".
I've got exactly the same message when try to check it up.
Quote from: humbert on January 01, 2013, 05:15 AM
I don't think we can pull off scheme 2. I don't have all those computers. Not only that, but my Internet setup is from a cable TV company. The line that comes in is a coaxial cable that goes to their cable modem, which doubles as a 4-port LAN and WiFi router. I've gone into it's setup and simply saw no way to change many default settings. Even with a better router I ordered for use with WiFi I don't know if we can do anything. Naturally I went with the cable company because, when it comes to the amount of bandwidth available, DSL can't even come close by comparison.
Also, even if I were able to do all this, how would I even call my proxy server from Mexico given that the IP address is dynamic? How do I know the new address if it changes?
For resolve your last question I suppose to use No-IP DNS system. If you are use No-IP and your PC have direct connection to INet, then No-IP application, installed on this PC, cyclic updating your DNS record. For example, you register your DNS record like "humbert.no-ip.net". You install No-IP DUC (Dynamically Update C... somewhat, i forgot... :P ) and it reports to No-IP DNS server that your PC have name humbert.no-ip.net and IP XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX. After you reboot your PC (and IP address changes), DUC checks your IP, and again reports to No-IP DNS server that your PC have name humbert.no-ip.net but now with IP YYY.YYY.YYY.YYY. But the name will stay the same, and you can connect to your computer by name "humbert.no-ip.net"! :)
We had use this service for building game servers, for WoW or ArmA:Cold War Crisis
Also, most of that computers was drawn for example. Most important to us is proxy server, router and one PC, other is optional. Well, if you say that you are on coax-cable connection, then... I must think a while... Ofcourse we can set up proxy after a router and trace ports on router for allowing connection to proxy from outside network, but how in that case DUC can check outer IP of router?... ::)
Quote from: humbert on January 01, 2013, 05:15 AM
Regarding your question about copying Netflix, this is their setup. When they started, they began by renting movies for an individual fee (e.g., $3.00 a movie). Then they became the first to offer unlimited rentals for a monthly fee. You paid according to how many movies you wanted at the same time. Finally as bandwidth began to increase, they offered unlimited streaming for just $8.00. It was then that I dropped the movie rental plan in favor of streaming. When I did have DVD's mailed to me on the old plan, using Slysoft's software copying them was easy. Slysoft gave you the option of removing the region code and even transcoding the movie so it would be compatible in whatever country you wanted. I stopped copying them simply because I had so many there was nowhere to put them! I might add that my Samsung DVD, which is also my streamer, has a USB port. I seriously doubt it's possible to copy a streamed movie to a USB drive - Netflix isn't that stupid.
All is possible, the main thing is how much will it cost. Maybe in that case this cost just too much to be effective. Also, you mean that your DVD player is a streamer, i.e., it's connected to network??
Quote from: humbert on January 01, 2013, 05:15 AM
One more question since you are a super technician. If you had a USB A/C power adapter that puts out [for example] 2.1-A, could you charge a device (such as a cel phone) that requires less amperage than that, or would doing this fry the cel phone?
Well, first of all, adapter must output correct voltage for charging device. I.e., if your device was designed for 5V recharge module, charging it with 12v charger would be stupid idea. :) Also, if device have onboard current limiter, or use the current (amperage) for recharge same as an adaptor puts out, then you can use your power adapter without warning. In the other case you should use power adapter with a smaller amperage then the default one. For example, if the default adapter puts out 3A@5V, then you can use adapter which puts out 2A@5V, but
not one with 4A@3V or one with any amperage at 12V.
Also, a two small language questions:
1) Mexico - you means the citi (capital of Mexica), or a whole country at once? In Russian we calls a country as "МекÑик
а" (Meksika), and a capital of it as "МекÑик
о" (Meksiko) or "МеÑ...ико" (Mehiko), that's why such a question.
2) What's the difference between words "constructed" and "developed"? "Construct", as I understand, means something close to "handmade", or "build" (when many people with wrenches and crowbars brings big iron pieces and then screw them together...). And "develop", as I understand, means something close to "invent" (when small group of men in tux sit in a small room with tea and a bunch of a blueprints, and after a time a lamp lights over a head of one of them). Am I correct?
Hi, i think i can help here :D
I have been using http://privitize.com/ to get around, im not sure how and if it works outside Sweden, but here i get a steady 10 MBit down and about 1-2 MBit uploadspeed. Not the best upload speed but a totally fine download speed. I have been using it to bypass IP' bans inside of games several times.
Also try Smart hide IP if you havn't tried already, you can choose what country you are "from" but in my opinion it has been slow and unreliable but it has changed my ip some times.
Quote from: humbert on December 28, 2012, 06:02 AM
Let's make it simpler - how do I access Netflix next time I travel to Mexico?
Also, an idea. Why at all you need the NetFlix? Just download films you want from torrents, isn't that simplier?
@Daniil
Regarding everything you explained:
1) With respect to how Netflix's Mexican page came up despite the fact that I was on a proxy server, what I don't understand isn't so much Netflix but rather it was whatismyip.com (http://whatismyip.com) that told me not only my real IP, but also the one provided by Real IP Hide (or whatever it was). That's why I still think that Netflix's page was able to filter it out and find the real one. It's clearly not a situation of being rejected because that server is on the moon or somewhere strange.
2) Regarding humbert.no-ip.net, let me see if I'm clear on this. There is a company out there somewhere that, when you install its software, will create a numerical IP address for humbert.no-ip.net which DNS servers would recognize. Once that's working, my computer would need some sort of proxy software to redirect anything to where I really want to go. Is this correct so far? If so, then the only thing remaining is a way to get around my router. Right now I just did a test from 2 separate devices in my house on 2 separate internal networks, and in both cases whatismyip.com (http://whatismyip.com)[/color] is reporting 66.69.36.162. This is clearly the address of the router, anything behind it has an IP that starts with 192.168. I guess setting up some sort of port forwarding might be possible assuming the server that issues the IP for humbert.no-ip.net is momentarily notified if that address I told you changed. Remember, the address is dynamic.
3) My Samsung DVD player doubles as a streamer. In other words, it not only plays DVD's, it's also fully internet compatible and hooks up to Samsung's Smart Hub site. From there you have a selection of stuff. Most is free but several are paid. Netflix charges $8 a month. As a customer, I see their vast selection of movies and put the ones I like in my queue or watch .them immediately. If I watch them they are streamed to my player over my internet connection, no different than a satellite TV company does with it's small dishes. There is no limit to movies or TV episodes I want to watch nor any additional charge. This is one reason I decided to pay them instead of just downloading torrents -- it simply doesn't justify doing so. Also, with a service like this, if I decide I want to watch something but don't know exactly what, I can browse their endless selection and simply touch the remote. There must be something I'll like or am in the mood for, I can't dislike all 20,000 titles available at the touch of a key.
4) As for USB chargers, here in America I have yet to see one that doesn't put out 5-VDC. Where they vary is in the amperage. So based on what you've told me, the device you use must have in it's circuitry and firmware something that tells it to draw no more than [for example] 1.0A. It does not work like AC. As you know, in AC if you have [for example] an electric motor that draws 8A, it doesn't matter that the transformer has the capacity for 1000A, it just draws what it needs. From your explanation DC doesn't work like that. Right?
5) The name "Mexico" came from the real name of the Aztec tribe that ruled there when then Spanish arrived. The whole thing (capital and country) has the same name. Today the official name of the city is "Mexico, DF" (the DF is the Spanish acronym for "Federal District"). The country's official name is "United States of Mexico", which was, as you can see, essentially copied from America's name back in 1821. Also, when you are in another part of that country and you hear one guy tell another "I'm traveling to Mexico tomorrow", they mean the capital. In America they say "Mexico City". Yes, it's confusing, I know.
6) As I see it, "constructed" refers to something like a house or road that physically has to be made from the ground up. "Develop" refers mostly to abstract stuff. For example, you develop software, you don't construct it. Similarly, "developing" a house doesn't exist.
@Shadow
Does the privitize service work for the browser or the entire computer? These guys are free or what? Is there the option to tell it you want the other guys to think you're in a specific country?
@Humbert, it works for the full PC. It detects as ip 46.?.?.?(cant remember) and mine starts with 213.?.?.? And on the Proxy test things it says "You are not behind a proxy!"
Though this is not always up. I believe it is the Pirate Party in sweden who owns it and for some reason it is not always up but when it is up it is really great and reliable.
And no, you cannot pick your location. If you look on your apps bottom left it shows small icons, it pops up there as a red ring and you have to rightclick and then "connect" and then "disconnect" to disconnect. I have found no settings what so ever. But what i have noticed is that i have to manually update it by downloading and installing it again. If you are familiar with Hotspot shield this is basically the same, except better and no GUI/ads Also!! If you install it take Custom and remove the other things that come along.. Its their way to make money i guess.
It's up again, it's down when Piratebay is down :)
My real IP
http://tinypic.com/r/2samc95/6
Censored. some parts
With proxy
http://tinypic.com/r/dpe0ck/6
Non-Censored, Also you cannot host Games and remote desctop (what i am aware of) behind it. It works with Teamviewer.
@Shadow
Fortunately only rarely is TPB down. Even if they're hit they always come back, this time having learned from their experience and applying that knowledge. You gotta admire their resiliency.
Let me see if I understand what's happening. The first link is your real IP and goes through no proxy (beginning with 213.XXX...), and the second goes through a proxy. Where exactly is this site and how is it that one URL takes me through a proxy and the other doesn't?
As you might know, here in America we are not yet facing the problems you guys are having in Europe. There has been a lot of talk, but so far no action - the internet here is NOT censored, or at least not as of today's date. For the moment all I'm trying to do is make services such as Netflix and Hulu think I'm in America when in fact I'm below our southern border. Even then, all I'm looking to do is browse what they have and edit my queue for when I get home. Viewing a movie on my computer at my in-law's house is possible - their internet connection is far too slow and you've got several people feeding off the same pipe. Also, they are mentally old and think having internet is no different than having a phone line - you either have one or you don't. There's no point educating them, they won't understand.
Quote from: humbert on January 09, 2013, 04:43 AM
@Shadow
Fortunately only rarely is TPB down. Even if they're hit they always come back, this time having learned from their experience and applying that knowledge. You gotta admire their resiliency.
Let me see if I understand what's happening. The first link is your real IP and goes through no proxy (beginning with 213.XXX...), and the second goes through a proxy. Where exactly is this site and how is it that one URL takes me through a proxy and the other doesn't?
As you might know, here in America we are not yet facing the problems you guys are having in Europe. There has been a lot of talk, but so far no action - the internet here is NOT censored, or at least not as of today's date. For the moment all I'm trying to do is make services such as Netflix and Hulu think I'm in America when in fact I'm below our southern border. Even then, all I'm looking to do is browse what they have and edit my queue for when I get home. Viewing a movie on my computer at my in-law's house is possible - their internet connection is far too slow and you've got several people feeding off the same pipe. Also, they are mentally old and think having internet is no different than having a phone line - you either have one or you don't. There's no point educating them, they won't understand.
The internet here is not censored here what i am aware of though, my schools net is censored/p2p blocked but i just tether from my phone and use privitize to decrease ping/latency for games.
Though one can be jailed or get fined but the chances are very low that you get caught + there are lawyers specialized too help the ones being in court because of piracy.
Nono its not going thru a URL instead of sending the info from my router to destination router all my info goes to the 46. address, so i cannot either log my outgoing connections.
Exception is everything going through ipv6 i believe and things behing my router like between my school laptop and normal tower pc. Also what internet speed are you getting at home and what are you using? I am currently on 100mbitdown 10 up fibrecable.
@Shadow - when you use your phone as a tether, do you mean you set up a WiFi hotspot and connect the computer at school to it, therefore bypassing their restrictions? If so then the connection to the internet comes from your provider through their cell towers. If so, what data plan to you have with them. In my case I bought only 300 MB/month because I don't go out all that often. If I did I'd have to buy 3 GB or 5 GB packages, which are obviously more expensive.
Here many cell carriers who sell "unlimited" packages usually throtte your speed after you go beyond 2 GB in a month.
About your connection - where exactly is 46.XXX? Is that a proxy server located someplace where there are only reindeer and no humans? :)
As for internet speed, you confirmed something I've known forever - that you Swedes are far more advanced than we are. I'm paying for the best connection my ISP offers (50 Mpbs down / 5 Mbps up). In newer neighborhoods they have fiber to the tap. Older ones have fiber to the node - coax from there to the tap. I'm curious as to what setup your ISP has. I don't think they'd have fiber all the way to your router. Do they? I asked cable guys here about that and they keep telling me fiber is hard to handle and very fragile. I'm not surprised -- it's all glass inside.
I can order up to 100Mbit down and up here, and max if i get out from the city network (wexnet) i can get speeds up to 1000Mbit down for 1000SEK (1 usd about 6-8sek)
Uhm, almost all providers offer over 3 GB monthly i had a restriction on 500 MB month but it is not a good provider overpriced and not good coverage, i will probably buy a new phone within weeks and it will atleast have 3GB monthly, maybe 15. Also Telenor gives out unlimited data but only on 3G (30mbit) And if you get for example Halebop(spelling may be incorrect) you can buy aditional data, 500Mb for 20-30SEK, 3Gb 70 sek, 10 gb 150 sek i believe it was.
If telenor detects that you abuse your connection for uploading or downloading they may place restrictions on your internet (so you dont make other's internet go slower)
And no, if you trace the IP you will end up somewhere in swedens middle.
Also, we have fibre from a local City net that comes to our house(our wall i believe) then a modem and then we have 1 switch goes to TV and PC's downstairs, and upstairs one cable goes to the router and a cable from the router into my room with a switch so i can fully use my 100Mbit on both my computers Limit on my Router on download is about 80mbit or if it is the laptop not confirmed.
You can read more about my city net here; http://www.wexnet.se/Vaexjoe/Privat.aspx
You can choose from many providers on there and there is a translate button,though it cant translate words with åäö :( but if you ask i'll translate
Also we pay 330 SEK each month for our speed. Including 4 mail accounts, and antivirus + a worthless router(we got a new one)
Our ping to east Denmark is 10-12 MS couple of my friends get as low as 4-5MS there. To new zealand approx 250-300 and basically no jitter at all. (avarage 1-2 jitter)
I envy everything about Sweden. I wish I could move there, but that's not possible :) Just for starters, I pay the same price for exactly half the speed you have. Even then, by our standards it's not expensive. The prices you mentioned for cellular data service (LTE) are less than half of the prices here. Awesome!
Do I understand you correctly or did you say the city (or government) is the one who installs the fiber so ISP's can use it to sell internet service? I guess it would have to be the case since it makes no sense that all ISP's are out in the street digging ditches. Fiber to the wall is great! You probably also have hundreds of HD channels too. Let me see if can visualize what you've got at home. From the wall a coax cable goes to your cable modem. From there I'm not too clear. Is it that the cable modem has one output only? Also, when you mention "switch" is this some sort of splitter with one input and 2 outputs? Also, unless I misread you've got an awful lot of cables going back and forth. Here what's normally done to use one cable modem as a router with 4 ethernet ports and WiFi. The TV signal is separate (or split) and goes into the TV cable box and from there to the TV via HDMI. If you have trouble with WiFi then you buy a powerline adapter. I have one for streaming HDTV from the internet to the 2nd TV.
I tried to get a translation of the site you mentioned, but Google didn't cooperate. :( Let me know on this, it's interesting.
By the way humbert, i got a new phone, Samsung Galaxy SIII LTE (4g) yet i have never got signal for 4g.
VEAB(a company in sweden fixing things and stuff i dont really know, and a heat company i guess) were going to pull in some warm water so we didnt need our own warm water "box" that has like 300 liter of warm water so we got "infinite" (well the price goes skyhigh then/resources would not last for long) and when they dug the wholes to everyone's house we could get fibre for i think it was 16000SEK without them needing to dig another trench so the digging part became "free" but i dont know how it works wexnet is a company as i see it. I have no idea how this works.
And no, we have a TV "community" with our neighbors so we still use Analog TV for a very low price, meaning it is i think 480P. I was watching a livestream from SVT1 E-Sport and it was way better watching on my computer due to the resolution.
But yes, we can get HD TV at any time we want we just dont want to pay the extra cash for something we are satisfied with at a lower cost..
Why cant you move to sweden??
I'm a little confused here. You're saying you have a Galaxy S3 and can't get 4G LTE? I'm assuming your provider offers it. In that case when you got the phone certainly you must have run a test at the store just to be sure LTE was working. Then again it could also be that the towers at that location haven't been updated. If your provider offers 4G, then by all means check to see what's going on. As you know, 4G and LTE are extremely fast. I've got it on my Galaxy Note II and it flies.
By the way, have you rooted your phone already and maybe installed a custom ROM? I did it with mine. It's the only way to go.
I'm not to clear as to how you're heating your water. You did explain you had a 300 liter capacity tank, and I assume you mean water heater. When I lived in Miami they were electric, but in San Antonio they all burn natural gas. I'm not too sure about your source of heating fuel.
Does your TV signal come from the same provider as your internet, as is my case? If so, it surprises me they don't have an inexpensive basic HD package. This is because they're heavily into fiber and can easily offer probably thousands of HD channels. Of one thing you can be sure - if you're getting 480p then it's digital - analog maxes out at 480i. Also, can't you get TV through an antenna? I'm almost positive they broadcast digital and in HD. Be that as it may, if you're a football fan (as I am), be sure to get HD by next year, watching the World Cup in 480p is a crime. :)
Hello again, comrades! I'm back! (Had a lot of work, a business trip, and an examination at institute, so had absollutelly no time for internet)
@humbert
Thank you for your explanation, that's very usefull for me.
Answering to your 2) and 4)
-->2) No. You already have a numerical address (IP), which was given to your router. That's your dynamic IP.
In a No-IP application you set your textual address (humbert.no-ip.net).
After a start of No-IP app, it check your numerical address (your IP) and sent it to a No-IP DNS server (a packet with strings like "humbert.no-ip.net ==> 66.69.XYZ.ZYX").
DNS will think a while, and then creates a label in it's routing table, which explains "if someone want sent IP-packets to humbert.no-ip.net, then it must connect to 66.69.XYZ.ZYX".
Anyway, you're correct that last thing on our way is you router.
And, I suppose that if we set No-IP app on PC after a router it will sent to No-IP DNS server 192.168.X.X IP. But I don't know exactly.
Let's make a try, register at No-IP (it's free), set up their program, and make a textual address for you. Then ping this address from outside with DNS tools (http://www.domaintools.com/research/dns/). (There is menu on the right, a string and a dot selector - Ping, Traceroute, DNS. Set dot to a "Ping", type your textual address to string and click on "Go".) It'll show you a table like^
1. yourname.no-ip.net AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD XXX ms
2. yourname.no-ip.net AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD XXY ms
...
If AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD is your external IP, then all is good, if it'll show your internal IP, then that's bad and my solution doesn't work.
-->4) That's correct only for chargers, because charging current must be same or less then one for which device accumulator was designed. DC motor will takes only an amount of current it needs, as well as AC motor.
Also, dear friends! Don't post here your IP's, that's not safe. Hide last 6 digits.
As for connection speed, I have 5mbit down/1 mbit up + unlimited phone for 750 RUR (about 25$, 1$ is about 30 rubles). Yeah, I know, that's slow, but for me it's good - all that traffic is real, also, I have a direct internet IP, I have no dumb admins over me, and I have no limits for download/upload.
Also, slow connection is because I now leave in an old district. As I know, in a new districts typical network is combination of fiber channel + twisted pair. FC connects houses to a provider center, and twisted pair connects private apartments to a FC. They offers up to 1000mbit, but I don't believe them. Well, from a private PC to provider there IS in fact 1gbit, but to the internet? I don't think so.
From what you're telling me and from what I saw at no-ip.com, the idea is to create a human-readable name that the DNS servers will recognize as the IP address the ISP gave me. If the idea were to have a computer to serve as a proxy server and be on all the time, then it makes perfect sense. As you correctly said, the question now is how to get past the router. With these guys you'd have to have their software on your computer, correct? As I think you said, maybe the fact that this software is on there will cause it to intercept any calls to the IP assigned to me. We'd have to to test. We might even have to do some port forwarding.
If we managed to do all this, what proxy software do you recommend?
I'm surprised to learn there are neighborhoods in St Petersburg that have fiber to the house and can in theory get as high as 1 Gbps. BTW, are you your own ISP or what? I'm assuming if you buy service from somebody you'd have to submit to whatever rules they impose.
As I said before, you can try a Jana Server (http://www.janaserver.de/start.php?lang=en&menue=home). This is simple but functional proxy soft, made at Germany with teutonic quality.
Optic fiber is not to house in fact. Is isn't a "suburb-house" like in USA, when I said house I mean big soviet townhouse, like this.
(http://tipdoma.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/rope-80.jpg)
Houses like this one can contain up to 1000 private flats.
ISP layed a fiber cable from server center to a house. At the top of a house, somewhere at lift control room, they place a fiber<-->TP gateway, big switches, and then laying a twisted pair to a flats. As you can understand, speed of a link between switch and PC in a flat may be very high. It's easy to set up 100Mbit, even a 1Gbit LAN connection.
But on an upper level, from gateway to ISP server?.. And more upper, from ISP to regional center?.. I don't think so. Typical connection from regional center to corporate/public ISP is 2 x 20GBit optic fiber. (20 up/20 down) Typical ISP provides service to a one microdistrict (about 20-30 houses like this + infrastructhure). Even if just a 1/3 of flats had a computers with internet (and in fact it's more PCs) it's 20GBit/(25*300)=~2.6MBit pure internet traffic per user. BTW, it's accomplish with my measurements of connection speed in such nets.
At workdays mornings connection speed could be much higher, but at this time is almost nobody there.
As for my connection - that's not a my own ISP. :) This is old, government-owned ISP based on soviet, centralised phone network. At early 2000-s they started to offer a new service - ADSL. They use some primitive, very old ADSL devices, looks like with a hardware flow- and connection control, but without any proxies or real administrating. As I can understand, they bought somewhere a big pool of IP's and use them as dynamic. As for a rules - ow, sure, I must follow their rules - would follow, but rules not written else. :) There is some paper with common phrases (do not... you must... etc), but they didn't made a correct rules yet, and I think won't make at future.
It's government service, they are very "fast"! :)
@Daniil - it's hard to believe they have these massive apartment buildings with as many as 1000 flats. They must be tiny! Also, I can imagine you can hear when your neighbor is walking from living room to bathroom. And I guess when you have sex, everyone knows about it. Imagine what it must be like if even the 33% of the people you mention had a WiFi network in their apartments.
After that the typical connection is ADSL, only shared? It's this that brings down the typical connection speed.
Do you live in a flat yourself, only not in a building this size?
@humbert
You're right! There is lack of private life in such houses. Flats are really tiny, most of them is one-roomed (one living room + kitchen, bathroom, WC and a corridor). Room size is 18 square meters, it's good for one man, but if you want to live there with someone, it becomes really difficult. Sound transparency and wifi isn't very big problem (walls built with reinforced concrete with steel net inside) but walls resonating high-frequency sounds. That's mean that TV or cries when someone making love can't hear good trough walls (but sometimes - yes, mostly at night! :( And it's very frustrate!), but quarrels and abuse of neighbors hear very well.
I had lives in such house for about a year (I had rent a flat). It's good to have a own flat, but after this I sweared to buy my own flat in stalin-time house or by a suburb house!
Yes, typical connection in old districts is an ADSL. Why you say shared? It's a line to my flat, one flat-one line. Maybe here's anoter misunderstanding of words and terms. What you mean under "my own ISP"? A connection line? (I mean a company who laying cables and service network infrastructhure and servers, whish provides a connection. It isn't my own ofcourse, but a connection from it to my flat is.)
Yes, now I leaving in a flat of my parents in a center (an old district). (Yes, yes, I know, it is a shame, but I do my best to change this, and that WILL be done!).
Our house is old, but this isn't bad at all. A rooms is small, but here is many of them and all walls is thick, I can hear neighbours only when they drunk like porcupines.
@Daniil - there is no need to feel "ashamed" for living in a flat with your parents. If at this time it's all you can do, better that than nothing. I't much better than living in your own place and constantly having to worry about whether or not that month you'll be able to pay the rent.
I sometimes think if it were possible I'd live in a smaller place if it were constructed using concrete and steel. Few houses here are built this way, for economic reasons. Any time a natural disaster happens they fall apart like dominoes.
The reason I mentioned bandwidth being shared is because I believe you said that the entire bandwidth available for the building would have to be shared, i.e., divided among all who have internet access, and that the more people who had internet the slower the connection per person. Did I understand you correctly? As for being your own ISP, I think you said something to the effect that you didn't have to endure any restrictions they might impose. If what you said was this, then I believed you could only do that by owning the company, i.e., being your own ISP. ;)
Hey guys,
I didn't read the whole topic as I didn't have much time.
But I wanted to say that 90% or may be more people in Russia live in flats!
I've lived in about 5 different flats in Russia and YES! You hear everything your neighbor does, including making love!!!
As Danil said, flats are small and most of them are 1 room.
In Moscow you need to pay about $1000 a month to rent 1 room apartment!! Do you believe it?
Danil, don't be ashamed bro! You should be proud ;)
@humbert
Yeah, OK.
Also, how much is cost a house in USA? Typical "suburb house", for example? Also, I heared that there's difference between what we means under "cottage" and "suburb house" ("suburb house" means typical, more cheaper house, and "cottage" means more pricefull and big house for more rich peoples). Is that correct?
I'm asking because here in Russia we call "коÑ,Ñ,едж" (cottage) any suburb house, and rich houses calls as "оÑобнÑк". (osobnyak, means manor house).
For about ISP. Scheme of sharing one connection between many flats is correct for big houses. Here in central districts we have 1ADSL per 1 flat. (it's cheaper than creating a LAN in a house).
As for company and restrictions - yeah, it's typical russian situation, lol.:)
@Maher
You're absolutelly correct, even in a price of a rent. Here in St.Petersburg price is about 80-85% of Moscow.
OK, I'll be proud. :) Let's forget post about "shame" and let's continue our talkings
@humbert
A valuable addition, comrade. Jana proxy don't want to proxy (or provide any other services) through a dynamic IP connection. That's my error - I forgot about this, today had a step-on-a-rake with this. :) You'd try to seek another proxy software if you want to realise topic subject.
Maher's comment about a typical flat in Russia costing about 30,000 rubles a month is almost too hard to believe. How many Russians make that much money a month? How can people even afford to pay for it? Naturally if you're a friend of Putin you're OK. :) Then again your flat would be a little more roomy.
@Daniil - the price of housing in America is very dependent on the market. Houses or apartments in big cities and their surroundings are more expensive than exactly the same thing in a smaller city or town. To give you an idea: when I first arrived in San Antonio, I rented an apartment for $620 a month. In Miami the same thing would have cost about $900. I sold my house in Miami for $139,000 and bought the one I have for $110,000. Just to give you an idea, the entire lot (house + land) in Miami was 300 m² - the one here is 700 m². Why people would pay more money to live in Miami is beyond my comprehension.
Would you say ADSL service offered in Russia is faster than any shared alternative? In my neighborhood I have both options, but despite the fact that cable is shared, ADSL can't compare with it when it comes to speed. In my case, with cable I'm paying for 50 Mbps up/5 Mbps down. ADSL can't even come close.
Well, a system administrator who works at factory, like I was, or in middle-size office, at present days receives salary about 1200$ (36000 rubles) per month (it's in St.Petersburg, in Moscow salaries is bigger). Salary like this considered as "low to middle", but about 50% of russian peoples have smaller salaries.
Flats is rented mostly by young peoples, who are less than 35 y.o. Main way to solve a problem of high prices is to live together. Man working, his girl working, he receives about 28000, she receives about 20000, and together they can rent a flat.
Older people have a own flats as a heritage of socialism (I had told in other topic, that at that time government gave flats forcibly).
As for housing prices - prices what you say is not bad. Also, it's close to prices of land in surroundings of provincial centers, like somewhere in Samara or Volgograd. Closer to capitals prices grows. For example, only land in Lisiy nos village (Fox nose, it's good place near St'Petersburg) costs about 400000$ (that's for 1600m2). And for a flats price is enormus - 2-roomed flat (18m2+12m2) prices like your house with land in Miami, about 140000$.
But in fact most of russians prefers to live in flats, because there's no good infrastructure in suburbs. That's also a heritage of socialism. At that time government builts a big houses like I shown on photo, but almost no small houses. That was "for create comfort to laborers" on words, but in fact - for easy control over peoples. When man have a private house (especially when he also have a car and a gun) he very soon becomes an "owner", and can "show the way out" for government guys. Socialistic leaders was very afraid in that. And today, as a heritage, there is almost no infrastructure for livning in suburbs. Water, sewerage, roads, even the electricity you must built from scratch.
ADSL is slower but it's easy to get everywhere where is a phone line. Cable (even shared) is same or faster, but it isn't everywhere.
Also, under "cable" I means UTP LAN networks, not coaxial cable. Cable TV with a wide-band coaxial cable is rare in Russia, we're getting TV signal trough a shared house antennas.
@Daniil - thanks for explaining the housing situation in Russia. Hopefully one day people will get over this idea of not building in the suburbs and they'll start to get an infrastucture ready so as to put living quarters there. It makes no sense to concentrate people inside a big city while all that land is unused.
As for TV, did you say that the only thing available is broadcast TV through an antenna? There's no cable, satellite or anything else? Also, is TV still analog or have they made the switch to digital?
I too tried changing port address of torrent client transmission. Every hour i need to change it to get high d/l speeds.
Use this to check if D/l are throttled HERE (http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/bttest.php)
Quote from: Shadow.97 on January 03, 2013, 12:36 PM
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Also try Smart hide IP if you havn't tried already, you can choose what country you are "from" but in my opinion it has been slow and unreliable but it has changed my ip some times.
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