Maher's Digital World

Off Topic Discussion => Chit Chat => Topic started by: aa1234779 on February 22, 2013, 03:12 AM

Title: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: aa1234779 on February 22, 2013, 03:12 AM
Why did the evil manufacturers leave this feature out of USB drives since there introduction to the market in 2000?

The pic says it all:

(http://www.webopedia.com/FIG/FLOPPY.gif)

>:(

p.s. I was reading through another thread on reasons people avoid installing OS' from usb drives, and I agree with those who choose dvds over usb drives for the above reason.

BUT WHY!!!

It would have made usb drives the king of all storage media!

Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: scarface on February 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
a few rare manufacturers are doing it:
http://www.imation.com/en-US/Consumer-Products/Consumer-Products/USB-Flash/Clip-Flash-Drive/#Overview-tab
http://www.ritek.com/p2-pro4-ez-minispin.asp
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: Daniil on February 22, 2013, 10:27 PM
Thanks for links, comrade. Never saw such flashdrives before. It'd be usefull in my job.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: humbert on February 23, 2013, 06:16 AM
Here's my 2 cent's worth.

I started getting into flashdrives when my friend Ahmad explained how he boots his computer from them, prior to this I didn't use them. I don't know why people have such a love affair with Sandisk. The ones I have are slow, and the 4 GB Sandisk Cruiser Switch that comes in a colorful plastic case is literally slower than a DVD. By comparison, they were selling a PNY Attaché model P-FD4GB/Mini GE which I bought. This thing is an absolute rocket! I use it to boot Hirens CD Restored 15.2 (Proteus' version) which has everything you'd ever want, and the line goes across the screen so fast it's as if booting from a SSD. My other 8, 16 and 32 GB Sandisks don't even come close.

Oh, one more thing. My board now supports USB 3.0, so I bought a USB 3.0 flashdrive for Hirens. It failed. Why? Another reason to abandon Win XP -- it's so old it doesn't know anything about USB 3.0, not even with drivers. This is, of course, unless they do exist and mini-XP on Hirens doesn't have them.

You know - I wish some programmer somewhere would write a program that could take any bootable ISO and burn it to flashdrive the same way Burnaware does for CD's or DVD's.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: aa1234779 on February 24, 2013, 02:10 AM
Quote from: scarface on February 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
a few rare manufacturers are doing it:
http://www.imation.com/en-US/Consumer-Products/Consumer-Products/USB-Flash/Clip-Flash-Drive/#Overview-tab
http://www.ritek.com/p2-pro4-ez-minispin.asp

Truly awesome..

Disappointing that these are a bit hard to find where I live.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: aa1234779 on February 24, 2013, 02:17 AM
Quote from: humbert on February 23, 2013, 06:16 AM
You know - I wish some programmer somewhere would write a program that could take any bootable ISO and burn it to flashdrive the same way Burnaware does for CD's or DVD's.

I suppose you mean making a flashdrive -ROM- read-only memory.. which is the same point I'm making..

If a "Make Bootable USB" utility is used to make a bootable iso image iton a flashdrive, then turn "copy-protection switch" ON, that would do exactly what u suggest. Even better, turn off copy-protection, format your flashdrive, and you could have your flashdrive back to do whatever else you might want it for.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: scarface on February 24, 2013, 02:41 AM
real boot from iso doesnt exist according to my knowledge. You still have to extract the iso and use extra files to make the key bootable. keys with write protection are not common. I dont think they are available amongst retailers.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: humbert on February 24, 2013, 08:41 PM
Quote from: scarface on February 24, 2013, 02:41 AM
real boot from iso doesnt exist according to my knowledge. You still have to extract the iso and use extra files to make the key bootable. keys with write protection are not common. I dont think they are available amongst retailers.

I know this is what they're doing with flashdrives now. However, if you look at an ISO file with a program such a PowerIso, it will tell you if the ISO is bootable or not. Clearly this indicates there's something in it which will cause it to boot if burned to DVD. What I was wondering if some day some programmer out there can take advantage of this and use if for a flashdrive as if it were a DVD.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: Daniil on February 25, 2013, 09:05 AM
Use Grub4DOS, comrades!
It allows to boot any operation system from HDD, CD, USB stick, ISO-image as well, in fact any bootable data storage, and allows to build any multi-boot config from flash, from HDD, from 3,5 inch diskette, from CD/DVD, well, you name it.

Original Grub4DOS project, exists here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/) (It's without any manuals, don't know the reasons why).
Russian Grub4DOS fork home page (GreenFlash project) is here (http://greenflash.su/).
Download latest Grub4DOS version you can from here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/files/GRUB4DOS/).
English manual (translated from Russian) you can find here (http://diddy.boot-land.net/ccount12/click.php?id=2).

It's not simple, but... We all are professionals, so, smoke manuals and you can do it.
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: Ahmad on February 25, 2013, 03:14 PM
@Daniil

Thanks a lot for the manual.
I was looking for such thing.
:)
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: Motasem on March 25, 2013, 12:37 PM
if anyone needs help with booting from usb i can help :)
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: humbert on March 30, 2013, 03:54 AM
Quote from: Motasem on March 25, 2013, 12:37 PM
if anyone needs help with booting from usb i can help :)

You're the man! Just like I asked in the other topic, I'm wondering how it is that any burning program can make a bootable ISO easily boot from CD or DVD, yet to make it boot from USB requires a special program or arcane instructions. Can you help?
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: Motasem on March 30, 2013, 04:05 AM
well im using g4d "grub 4 dos" Linux loader to load the windows files under dos "setupldr.bin" and this's all the manual way

if you want an app to make it there's tow ways

1.loading the whole winXXX.iso file example "Eazy2Boot" which i advise to use it from my friend Steve ( http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/72---easyboot---a-grubdos-multiboot-drive-that-is-easy-to-maintain )

2.loading the setup based on the flat file ( windows extracted )  example "Rufus,SARDU,WinSetupFromUSB,WinToFlash,YUMI"
Title: Re: What I hate about usb flash drives!
Post by: humbert on April 02, 2013, 06:30 AM
Quote from: Motasem on March 30, 2013, 04:05 AM
well im using g4d "grub 4 dos" Linux loader to load the windows files under dos "setupldr.bin" and this's all the manual way
if you want an app to make it there's tow ways
1.loading the whole winXXX.iso file example "Eazy2Boot" which i advise to use it from my friend Steve ( http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/72---easyboot---a-grubdos-multiboot-drive-that-is-easy-to-maintain )
2.loading the setup based on the flat file ( windows extracted )  example "Rufus,SARDU,WinSetupFromUSB,WinToFlash,YUMI"

Like I said in my other post, Xboot is pretty good and will probably do all that for you. Give it a try.
Title: USB.
Post by: Mohammad Kamran on October 10, 2013, 11:44 AM
As Salam O Alikum,
I was trying to install Windows (any) to my Dell Latititude Netbook. So I wanted to load windows in my USB flash device, somehow my flash device become a part of Hard Disk Drive(local disk), now i just solve this issue, but there is another 1 comes up which is my USB device is not shown in any computer any more. Can you please with this issue?