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Title: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 17, 2021, 03:13 AM
As Windows 11 is confirmed to be a legit leak by many sources, and early builds already leaked to the public.

Do you see a reason to upgrade?
Do you like the visual changes?


Personally, I think it looks really good. My early understanding is that they are trying to actually tie things up with the integration to other devices, and make it a proper 'gaming' OS as well.
You can move the task bar to the furthest left as it's always been.

https://hexus.net/tech/news/software/147965-windows-11-leaks-iso-image-videos-screenshots-sounds/
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 17, 2021, 04:48 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 17, 2021, 03:13 AM
As Windows 11 is confirmed to be a legit leak by many sources, and early builds already leaked to the public.

I read about it yesterday. The release date is June 24th. Naturally M$ always "leaks" it to the public so everyone get a feel of it before the release date. They've been using this strategy since time immemorial and it works.

I saw some cosmetic changes and a few more [probably unnecessary] bells and whistles. I don't think it's anything out of this world.

With respect to me upgrading, I'll wait for Vasudev to work his magic and produce a working copy of Windows 11. Relax and be patient, I'm in no hurry.  :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 22, 2021, 05:25 PM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 23, 2021, 05:21 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 22, 2021, 05:25 PM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.

I'm in no hurry. I'll only install a working and texted copy coming from a trusted source like you.

Ever since I installed 21H1, Control Panels opens but there are no items in it. I tried enabling and disabling the proper settings on Group Policy Editor. I've also re-registered all DLL files in C:\Windows\System. The problem doesn't go away. The weird thing is that on my laptop was also upgraded to 21H1, Control Panel works perfectly. I'm not finding anything on Google. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 24, 2021, 05:00 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 23, 2021, 05:21 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 22, 2021, 05:25 PM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.

I'm in no hurry. I'll only install a working and texted copy coming from a trusted source like you.

Ever since I installed 21H1, Control Panels opens but there are no items in it. I tried enabling and disabling the proper settings on Group Policy Editor. I've also re-registered all DLL files in C:\Windows\System. The problem doesn't go away. The weird thing is that on my laptop was also upgraded to 21H1, Control Panel works perfectly. I'm not finding anything on Google. Any ideas?

I would try the classic (in cmd):
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-files-79aa86cb-ca52-166a-92a3-966e85d4094e

At work, those commands do magic.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 25, 2021, 04:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 24, 2021, 05:00 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 25, 2021, 10:02 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 25, 2021, 04:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 24, 2021, 05:00 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Is there any image hijackers or apps that gives shortcut to control panel items?
For Win 7 I always use scarface's build since its much better and has lower size. Mine usually crosses 8GB and FAT32 USB drive won't boot in UEFI mode. After Ventoy was released ISO size became a thing of the past but some people use Rufus and 8GB ISO for Win 7 is nightmare on some older machines with slower USB 2.0 and HDD 5400rpm.
Win 11 will kill support for my old laptop since TPM 2.0 is unavailable on Ivybridge laptop. I think they are supported only modern CPUs Skylake, Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 26, 2021, 01:16 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 25, 2021, 10:02 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 25, 2021, 04:42 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 24, 2021, 05:00 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Is there any image hijackers or apps that gives shortcut to control panel items?
For Win 7 I always use scarface's build since its much better and has lower size. Mine usually crosses 8GB and FAT32 USB drive won't boot in UEFI mode. After Ventoy was released ISO size became a thing of the past but some people use Rufus and 8GB ISO for Win 7 is nightmare on some older machines with slower USB 2.0 and HDD 5400rpm.
Win 11 will kill support for my old laptop since TPM 2.0 is unavailable on Ivybridge laptop. I think they are supported only modern CPUs Skylake, Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.

If you mean this, yes
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search

You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 26, 2021, 06:09 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 26, 2021, 01:16 AM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 26, 2021, 06:09 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 26, 2021, 01:16 AM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 27, 2021, 05:12 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

I had to reinstall. Not a clean install, I set it to keep my files. It solved the problem. The strange thing was that since I had Windows Defender disabled, this thing took Emsisoft EEK and actually turned it into another Windows Defender. I had to uninstall and put back the portable one that has to be run on demand. The reason was it was constantly giving me false positives and interfering with any attempt to stop telemetry. That why I hate Windows Defender.

BTW, to uninstall I found a little goodie called HiBit Uninstaller. It's the best uninstaller I've ever seen and, best of all, it's total freeware. Check it out.

Quote from: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.

I bet sooner or later all these bugs will be squashed. One thing I do like: there will be NO 32-bit release of Windows 11. It is all 64. Finally! This change is long overdue. Somewhere I heard that there are some distros of Linux who are doing the very same thing. How long has it been since anyone made a 32 bit CPU?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 27, 2021, 08:20 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 26, 2021, 06:09 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on June 26, 2021, 01:16 AM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.
I wouldn't worry :) If it runs on 2000 ryzen someone will surely find a way to make it run on 1000 ryzen
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 28, 2021, 08:53 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 27, 2021, 05:12 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

I had to reinstall. Not a clean install, I set it to keep my files. It solved the problem. The strange thing was that since I had Windows Defender disabled, this thing took Emsisoft EEK and actually turned it into another Windows Defender. I had to uninstall and put back the portable one that has to be run on demand. The reason was it was constantly giving me false positives and interfering with any attempt to stop telemetry. That why I hate Windows Defender.

BTW, to uninstall I found a little goodie called HiBit Uninstaller. It's the best uninstaller I've ever seen and, best of all, it's total freeware. Check it out.

Quote from: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 04:41 PM
EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.

I bet sooner or later all these bugs will be squashed. One thing I do like: there will be NO 32-bit release of Windows 11. It is all 64. Finally! This change is long overdue. Somewhere I heard that there are some distros of Linux who are doing the very same thing. How long has it been since anyone made a 32 bit CPU?
I do use hibit nowadays. Except their reg cleaner all features are great! For registry I prefer Wise products.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 03, 2021, 04:55 AM
Another problem with Windows 11 is Micro$haft's insistence of TPM 2.0 and (I believe) secure boot. Maybe I can live with TPM 2.0 assuming my board supports it. What I don't like is secure boot. I frequently boot from flashdrives to load Sergei Strelec's ISO plus a bunch of others according to need. As far as I know secure boot makes this impossible. I'd like to ask Micro$shaft what do I do if Windows won't boot and the only way to fix it is to boot Strelec to either attempt to fix it or do a full restore from backup.

BTW I'm thinking I might have to upgrade my laptop when Windows 11 goes full tilt. Hopefully it will not have Windows Home on it. You're forced to use a Microsoft account, which I hate to do.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 03, 2021, 02:53 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 03, 2021, 04:55 AM
Another problem with Windows 11 is Micro$haft's insistence of TPM 2.0 and (I believe) secure boot. Maybe I can live with TPM 2.0 assuming my board supports it. What I don't like is secure boot. I frequently boot from flashdrives to load Sergei Strelec's ISO plus a bunch of others according to need. As far as I know secure boot makes this impossible. I'd like to ask Micro$shaft what do I do if Windows won't boot and the only way to fix it is to boot Strelec to either attempt to fix it or do a full restore from backup.

BTW I'm thinking I might have to upgrade my laptop when Windows 11 goes full tilt. Hopefully it will not have Windows Home on it. You're forced to use a Microsoft account, which I hate to do.
On my computer this secure boot is disabled since it won't let you install a modified version of windows 10 (which is the case for the version here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=3350.msg36418#msg36418). For the moment, I don't see windows 11 as a necessary update anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 03, 2021, 09:41 PM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 04, 2021, 04:58 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 03, 2021, 09:41 PM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.

Awesome! I'll check it out on Virtualbox. Were you able to remove TPM and/or secure boot?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 04, 2021, 09:26 AM
Quote from: humbert on July 04, 2021, 04:58 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 03, 2021, 09:41 PM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.

Awesome! I'll check it out on Virtualbox. Were you able to remove TPM and/or secure boot?
No.
Note that it was only tested under Vmware workstation v12.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 04, 2021, 09:30 AM
Tonight, Windows 11 x64 pro v21996 is available on  forum.


It contains basically the same content as in the version of Windows 10 availabe on the forum: many reg tweaks, netfx 3.5, netfx 4.8, dx9 and 12 and many more programs like the latest releases of vlc, firefox, handbrake, cdisplay, Sumatra, 7zip 19.00, winrar 6.00, Treesize free, Visual C++ Redist, the game "Mastermind" and Ultraiso (full version), Subtitles Edit v3.6.1.0...
Fx sound enhancer v13.028 was added (full version).
New programs installed silently: mediacoder 0.8.61 (modified edition), Psychopinball (by Fuj), Smartcopy, Grand dictionnaire Hachette Oxford, Remove empty directories, WiseDuplicatefinder, Ant renamer, Pinball, LameXP, Belatout, Easeus Partition Master 13.8.
HDD programs: HDD low level format, HD tune pro.
Nothing was deleted in winsxs and to obtain such a size, install.wim was converted into esd.

Windows defender is disabled by default but can be re-enabled again via gpedit.msc.
This version is activated.
Unlike Windows 10, no drivers were integrated.
A classic version of the start menu was restored.

Size: 3.52 Gb
Link: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w


(https://i.ibb.co/XVTBRtW/win11.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vwM2Tcb/baboon2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on July 05, 2021, 05:57 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 04, 2021, 09:30 AM
Tonight, Windows 11 x64 pro v21996 is available on  forum.


It contains basically the same content as in the version of Windows 10 availabe on the forum: many reg tweaks, netfx 3.5, netfx 4.8, dx9 and 12 and many more programs like the latest releases of vlc, firefox, handbrake, cdisplay, Sumatra, 7zip 19.00, winrar 6.00, Treesize free, Visual C++ Redist, the game "Mastermind" and Ultraiso (full version), Subtitles Edit v3.6.1.0...
Fx sound enhancer v13.028 was added (full version).
New programs installed silently: mediacoder 0.8.61 (modified edition), Psychopinball (by Fuj), Smartcopy, Grand dictionnaire Hachette Oxford, Remove empty directories, WiseDuplicatefinder, Ant renamer, Pinball, LameXP, Belatout, Easeus Partition Master 13.8.
HDD programs: HDD low level format, HD tune pro.
Nothing was deleted in winsxs and to obtain such a size, install.wim was converted into esd.

Windows defender is disabled by default but can be re-enabled again via gpedit.msc.
This version is activated.
Unlike Windows 10, no drivers were integrated.
A classic version of the start menu was restored.

Size: 3.52 Gb
Link: https://mega.nz/file/pYlkUKwY#G7HguN2thUdW2fgwIRtcKGqdFn_Uy_PWPrxyQcRo6Ac


(https://i.ibb.co/XVTBRtW/win11.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vwM2Tcb/baboon2.jpg)

Is this based on the insider version or leaked?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 05, 2021, 06:29 AM
Scarface ->  Does the version of Windows 11 you posted nag you about TPM or did you somehow disable that? Also, all those other programs you mentioned that are on there. Did you put them there or did they come with the OS? I'm asking because I know Micro$haft loves to preload all kinds of unnecessary garbage on their OS'. Naturally they get paid by the vermin who develop this unwanted garbage.

I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.

I have had far, far more problems with these "security" protocols than whatever they're trying to protect me from.

With respect to your comment about Windows 11 not being really needed, you're correct. Remember, however, that if history has taught us anything it's that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life. Ask those die-hard XP lovers, not to even mention those who were addicted to MS-Dos.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 10:36 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on July 05, 2021, 05:57 AM
Is this based on the insider version or leaked?
I think It's a leaked version. Allegedly, it can be considered as a RTM version because the core of the OS is complete.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 10:48 AM
Quote from: humbert on July 05, 2021, 06:29 AM
Scarface ->  Does the version of Windows 11 you posted nag you about TPM or did you somehow disable that? Also, all those other programs you mentioned that are on there. Did you put them there or did they come with the OS? I'm asking because I know Micro$haft loves to preload all kinds of unnecessary garbage on their OS'. Naturally they get paid by the vermin who develop this unwanted garbage.

I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.

I have had far, far more problems with these "security" protocols than whatever they're trying to protect me from.

With respect to your comment about Windows 11 not being really needed, you're correct. Remember, however, that if history has taught us anything it's that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life. Ask those die-hard XP lovers, not to even mention those who were addicted to MS-Dos.
Under vmware, I had no problem whatsoever. However there is no secure boot in the bios of Vmware v12 since it's an old version. I didn't have to do anything about this TPM either, but my computer is probably compatible. It can be bypassed anyway: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/how-to-bypass-the-windows-11-tpm-20-requirement/
If you want to check if your computer is compatible, you can use this: https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7416-windows-11-compatibility-tool.html
Mine is not compatible because it says the PC must support secure boot. I use legacy boot because in order to boot a modified version of windows it is required. Therefore if secure boot is needed for this version, I'm not sure this version can be installed, I'll try this on vmware 16.
Of course the programs did not come with the OS, but you can still delete the $OEM$ folder (roughly 400mb saved) if you don't want them. Some programs were installed via sysprep and are included in the esd image, essentially the small ones like winrar or 7zip...
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 02:34 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 05, 2021, 06:29 AM
I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.
Apparently you won't be able to install this with old processors. But I think that windows 10 is largely sufficient in case you have an old intel Skylake or Haswell.

Note that I tried to install it and I was a bit surprised to see that the installation was working with a disabled secure boot. But I didn't proceed with the installation.
I used to make usb keys with the NTFS format and I remember that I had to use legacy mode in order to boot the key (with windows 10 at least). This time I used Rufus to make the usb key, and I used the Fat32 format as explained in this message, it worked: https://superuser.com/questions/1610967/how-to-slipstream-windows-10-with-uefi-and-secure-boot-enabled/1610968#1610968
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 08, 2021, 05:50 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 05, 2021, 02:34 PM
Note that I tried to install it and I was a bit surprised to see that the installation was working with a disabled secure boot. But I didn't proceed with the installation.
I used to make usb keys with the NTFS format and I remember that I had to use legacy mode in order to boot the key (with windows 10 at least). This time I used Rufus to make the usb key, and I used the Fat32 format as explained in this message, it worked: https://superuser.com/questions/1610967/how-to-slipstream-windows-10-with-uefi-and-secure-boot-enabled/1610968#1610968

What I can't understand about this secure boot garbage is this: what if your copy of Windows 11 became so damaged it won't boot, but FORTUNATELY you made a backup. How do you boot from a USB drive (or any other media) to access the backup file and do a full restore from it?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 09, 2021, 01:08 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 05, 2021, 02:34 PM
What I can't understand about this secure boot garbage is this: what if your copy of Windows 11 became so damaged it won't boot, but FORTUNATELY you made a backup. How do you boot from a USB drive (or any other media) to access the backup file and do a full restore from it?
I might be wrong but secure boot is probably only used for the installation support (at least for windows 10, I don't know what's in store for the new version), preventing you from installing from an unverified support. Apparently, usb keys formatted with a Fat 32 format can be booted while secure boot is on but not NTFS, that's why I had problems the last time I did an installation with a NTFS formatted key till I disabled secure boot.
In my opinion, this tpm 2 might be a sleight of hand to prompt consumers to buy new hardware. I'm pretty sure that 10 year-old computers would be able to run windows 11.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 09, 2021, 01:09 AM
Note that the version of windows 11 above was updated, with TPM 2 and secure boot checks disabled: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 10, 2021, 04:58 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 09, 2021, 01:09 AM
Note that the version of windows 11 above was updated, with TPM 2 and secure boot checks disabled: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w

How did you manage to disable TPM 2.0 and secure boot? I thought this was hard coded into the OS.

I remember not to long ago Shadow predicted that someone will find a way to make Windows 11 work on just about any PC that can run Windows 10 - not to mention TPM 2.0 and secure boot. Let's hope both he and you are right. These restrictions are oppressive.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 10, 2021, 02:55 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 10, 2021, 04:58 AM
How did you manage to disable TPM 2.0 and secure boot? I thought this was hard coded into the OS.
I remember not to long ago Shadow predicted that someone will find a way to make Windows 11 work on just about any PC that can run Windows 10 - not to mention TPM 2.0 and secure boot. Let's hope both he and you are right. These restrictions are oppressive.
Actually, the solution was on the website "winaero.com" and it wasn't difficult:

Replace install.esd in the official Windows 10 ISO:
Go to the official Windows 10 website and download Media Creation Tool. Use is to download Windows 10 ISO for your computer. Skip this step if you already have one
Open the downloaded Windows 10 ISO image in UltraISO.
Delete the existing sources\install.esd file you see in UltraISO.
Drag and drop the X:\Path\install.esd you have created onto the UltraISO window to place it instead of the deleted file.
Click on Save or press Ctrl + S in UltraISO to alter the ISO image.
Now you have a fresh Windows 11 ISO file ready for installation on computers without TPM 2.0. Install it as a regular Windows 10.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 11, 2021, 05:51 AM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.

As is always the case, the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage is monumental. You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page. I'd guess you have to go into their folders and look for an uninstaller. If none is there then delete the directory, look in the Appdata folder for more stuff, and clean the registry. What is most irritating is that it's not enough the Micro$oft pre-loads this trash, they actually want you to use it!

I'm sure you all agree that it's way too early to move to Win11. Let's let developers find ways to manage this thing and get it to work the way is should.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 11, 2021, 05:23 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2021, 05:51 AM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.

As is always the case, the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage is monumental. You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page. I'd guess you have to go into their folders and look for an uninstaller. If none is there then delete the directory, look in the Appdata folder for more stuff, and clean the registry. What is most irritating is that it's not enough the Micro$oft pre-loads this trash, they actually want you to use it!

I'm sure you all agree that it's way too early to move to Win11. Let's let developers find ways to manage this thing and get it to work the way is should.
Besides the windowsapps in Programfiles, I'm afraid "the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage" you're talking about are the programs I added.
What's more your desperate tone in the following sentence: "You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page" is confirming my fears.
Some of them are in "c:/^programs" and I created the installers myself. Those installers are pretty simple and there is no uninstaller indeed (you can delete the folders directly in "programs").

But many of these programs can be needed. Otherwise they wouldn't be there. Let's talk about the game Belatout, which is not the most necessary of them.
Now Let's imagine one party in the backyard of humbert's house. humbert has welcomed Maher, shadow.97, vasudev and scarface. In San Antonio the weather is hot and we are watching the final of Wimbledon. All the proper items, finger food, biscuits and other little delicacies are on the table for an aperitif. After a pastis tomate, Maher and shadow .97 are ready to talk about their new hardware, while Vasudev preferred a Perroquet, made of Pastis with mint syrup. Served neat pastis has 45% alcohol by volume, and most drinkers add 4 parts of cool water.
We are now discussing the "pre-loaded garbage" that humbert has found in Windows 11. All this is not coming with the original version, it was added by me but humbert forgot to remove the $oem$ folder with ultraiso, just the way I told him to. However, he noticed that the game belatout was on his computer. He could have played with the French version, but he chose to switch the language to English in the preferences. After 2 glasses of Pastis, Maher, shadow.97, humbert and I were finally ready to play Belote coinchée.
Thanks to Belatout, humbert has become an expert at Belote.
Meanwhile, Vasudev is heating a barbecue until the coals are glowing hot. Then he's laying the Figatelli next to each other. The evening promises to be festive.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 12, 2021, 04:53 AM
I wasn't referring only to the software you installed on Win11. I was also refering to Micro$oft's garbage, many of which cannot be uninstalled unless you hack into the system with powershell. In any event this business of installing SIDWADN (software I don't want and don't need) is endemic to just about any operating system on any platform. Every day it gets worse and worse. You have to spend hours simply getting rid of this sewage or at least disabling it. Additionally, the OS manufacturers do everything in their power so you will actually USE their gargabe.

It would make more sense to give us a clean OS and put an icon on the desktop that says "recommended programs" with all the links. This gives the user and option to pick and choose what they want and skip over stuff that will never be used and does nothing more than take up hard drive space. The other option is to sit here and spend hours taking out the trash. Maybe YOU find these programs useful, but many of us do not and would rather decide for ourselves what we want.

Handbrake is my favorite example. As I understand it this programs is very processor intensive. Nobody on this forum is dumb enough to make Win11 their primary OS - it's too early for that. Those who download it will probably play around with it on a VM. Who in their right mind going to run Handbrake on a VM?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 12, 2021, 08:50 AM
Quote from: humbert on July 12, 2021, 04:53 AM
Handbrake is my favorite example. As I understand it this programs is very processor intensive. Nobody on this forum is dumb enough to make Win11 their primary OS - it's too early for that. Those who download it will probably play around with it on a VM. Who in their right mind going to run Handbrake on a VM?
Actually I added Handbrake and I agree with you, it's not useful to use it in a Virtual Machine. By the way it's probably not a program that we are going to use on a regular basis.
Apparently you have been impressed by windows 11, maybe you'll install it anyway.
Besides my programs, windows 11 comes up with useless stuff (maybe I should get rid of the useless shortcuts for office in the start menu).
Note that according to techspot, there is practically no difference between Windows 10 and windows 11:
https://www.techspot.com/article/2278-windows-11-benchmark/
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 13, 2021, 04:23 AM
Quote from: scarface on July 12, 2021, 08:50 AM
Apparently you have been impressed by windows 11, maybe you'll install it anyway.

Like I said, it's too soon for that. Let's let some time pass so that M$ can bring out some updates to generally make it better. Also -- and very important -- let's wait for developers to come out with software to manage W11. For example, Windows 10 Privacy must become Windows 11 Privacy and Yamicsoft's Windows 10 Manager must turn into W11 Manager. I especially love W10(11) Privacy -- it stops telemetry and it's an awesome garbage remover.

Quote from: scarface on July 12, 2021, 08:50 AM
Besides my programs, windows 11 comes up with useless stuff (maybe I should get rid of the useless shortcuts for office in the start menu).

Exactly. You will save tons of time by simply putting an icon on the desktop for links with programs you recommend. This gives the user the option to pick and choose according to his needs. It also saves the rest of us plenty of time since we don't have to spend time deleting stuff that we do not want and will never use. Naturally I refer only to your stuff, garbage installed by M$ you don't control. Speaking of M$ bloat, there is now stuff that cannot be deleted by right click-uninstall. Of course it's not impossible to delete them, you just have to use powershell.

Quote from: scarface on July 12, 2021, 08:50 AM
Note that according to techspot, there is practically no difference between Windows 10 and windows 11:
https://www.techspot.com/article/2278-windows-11-benchmark/

I agree. All M$ is doing is adding restrictions and bloat, and of course companies actually have to pay for the OS (never us, we don't pay).

BTW, in the techspot article and often here, they keep using the word "leaked". It gives the impression some rogue employee or a North Korean hacker somehow penetrated M$ servers, stole a top secret copy of the ISO and uploaded it everywhere. Really?? Then why it is that M$ source code has NEVER been leaked? When will people finally understand that it is Micro$oft themselves who leak it? This has been their winning strategy since the day Bill Gate$ and Paul Allen started the company.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 15, 2021, 06:52 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 11, 2021, 05:51 AM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.
I think you might be mistaken. Windows 11 was announced on the 24th of June 2021, but it is not the release date. Windows 11 will be out "this holiday season", and there is no official date yet, so likely sometime between late November and December.
I've been a bit disappointed so far. Windows 11 is not really revolutionary. You can read this article if you want to know what's new: https://medium.com/nerd-for-tech/windows-11-the-revolutionary-new-skin-for-windows-10-d48a08d33e80
I remember that I downloaded Windows xp with a 56k modem in late 2001. At this time I was using windows ME. Maybe Maher, aa1234779 or Vasudev remember this old OS.
windows ME:
(https://www.zebulon.fr/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Windows-ME.png)
Some users experienced problems with it: https://paleotronic.com/2020/10/09/the-scourge-of-windows-millennium-edition/
So I was very excited to get and install this new windows XP, and it was more stable than windows 98 or windows ME indeed. From what I've seen so far, I doubt Windows 11 will be better than windows 10 (or windows 7). Note that I didn't like the new start menu and I restored the classic one with the registry entry "Start_ShowClassicMode" (The program "classic start menu" wasn't working). What's more, the Run command in the start menu had disappeared, which is a real problem.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 16, 2021, 04:47 AM
I'm sure you're right. June 24th was the introduction of Win11 but not the official release. It's pretty much common knowledge that Win11 is nothing more than W10 with new bloatware and restrictions. Despite this, eventually upgrading will become necessary - we all know why. Naturally now is not the time. Let M$ improve it and let the hackers break into it and remove the limitations. Nobody knows when that will be, but there's no rush. For now W10 remains the OS of choice.

I tried Windows ME and hated it since the day I saw it. I went back to Win98 and immediately downloaded XP when it came out. By then cable "broadband" was available in my neighborhood at a blazing 3Mbps down and 1 Mbps up. I also remember everybody being concerned because M$ had put a new security system to deter piracy. I refer to those keys that had to be typed in. As if always the case, before you know it there were more working fake keys than copies of XP -- just like M$ wanted it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on July 16, 2021, 07:18 PM
Quote from: scarface on July 15, 2021, 06:52 PM
(or windows 7). Note that I didn't like the new start menu and I restored the classic one with the registry entry "Start_ShowClassicMode" (The program "classic start menu" wasn't working). What's more, the Run command in the start menu had disappeared, which is a real problem.
Win+R is a workaround for now :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 29, 2021, 05:08 AM
As most of you know by now, M$oft has had to back away from this garbage of Windows 11 working only on late model CPU's. Check out https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc (https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc) for further details. When I first tested this thing on VirtualBox I realized this requirement was pure garbage. What sense does it make that a supposedly power-hungry OS runs better and faster under a virtual machine than Windows 10? It's also easy to disable the TPM and secure boot requirements. Whether M$ will close this hole remains to be seen, but rest assured if that happens somebody will find a way to reopen it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on August 30, 2021, 05:21 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 29, 2021, 05:08 AM
As most of you know by now, M$oft has had to back away from this garbage of Windows 11 working only on late model CPU's. Check out https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc (https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc) for further details. When I first tested this thing on VirtualBox I realized this requirement was pure garbage. What sense does it make that a supposedly power-hungry OS runs better and faster under a virtual machine than Windows 10? It's also easy to disable the TPM and secure boot requirements. Whether M$ will close this hole remains to be seen, but rest assured if that happens somebody will find a way to reopen it.
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 31, 2021, 04:21 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 30, 2021, 05:21 PM
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.

Does that mean they won't run at full potential or what? The article basically says if it runs on W10 it'll run on W11. Now I read someplace that if it's an old CPU M$ won't provide security updates. So far the problem with W11 is you don't know what lie to believe. Be that as it may, it's still way too early to really give any of this serious consideration.

Do I remember correctly or did M$ say W10 would be the last major upgrade?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 02, 2021, 04:50 AM
As most of you know by now, W11 is scheduled for launch on October 5, 2021. There's a great deal of talk about Windows 11 enforcing TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot. For now it can be disabled with a registry hack, although it's believed M$ might close that loophole.

Here's where I'm confused. Supposedly the whole idea of secure boot is to prevent you from booting anything other than Windows or some other "authorized" operating system. Suppose something nasty happens to my copy of W11 and it refuses to boot. Fortunately I have a backup file on another drive made with Macrium Reflect by using Sergei Strelec's Windows PE. How do I boot Sergei's ISO from a flashdrive in order to restore the backup if secure boot has me locked out?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 02, 2021, 06:20 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 31, 2021, 04:21 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 30, 2021, 05:21 PM
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.

Does that mean they won't run at full potential or what? The article basically says if it runs on W10 it'll run on W11. Now I read someplace that if it's an old CPU M$ won't provide security updates. So far the problem with W11 is you don't know what lie to believe. Be that as it may, it's still way too early to really give any of this serious consideration.

Do I remember correctly or did M$ say W10 would be the last major upgrade?
They won't support it officially and updates are disabled for unsupported hardware due to lack of security features besides TPMs. Some features are HVCI or something that can run apps under virtualization w/o taking a severe perf. hit. MSft just added Surface Studio 2 to compatible list since it has necessary hardware.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 03, 2021, 04:51 AM
It seems the only thing to do is wait until October 5 -- not to install W11 but rather to see what M$ decided to do and to what extent hackers were able to disable these "features". In the mean time everything is nothing more than speculation. This is especially true when M$ keeps making changes and changes and changes.

Just like the rest of you, I intend to install 11 when all these questions are answered AND I can boot from flashdrive when Windows doesn't boot and requires a full restore. No matter how much I googled it, I can't find an answer to my question about booting from flashdrive when W11 refuses to boot.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 04, 2021, 05:20 PM
Quote from: humbert on September 03, 2021, 04:51 AM
It seems the only thing to do is wait until October 5 -- not to install W11 but rather to see what M$ decided to do and to what extent hackers were able to disable these "features". In the mean time everything is nothing more than speculation. This is especially true when M$ keeps making changes and changes and changes.

Just like the rest of you, I intend to install 11 when all these questions are answered AND I can boot from flashdrive when Windows doesn't boot and requires a full restore. No matter how much I googled it, I can't find an answer to my question about booting from flashdrive when W11 refuses to boot.
That's really an odd issue with flash drive not booting with Win 11.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 05, 2021, 04:43 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on September 04, 2021, 05:20 PM
That's really an odd issue with flash drive not booting with Win 11.

M$oft has been saying for quite a while that W11 will run only if TPM 2.0 and secure boot are enabled. So far this is easy to disable. I just googled it and found at least 3 ways. The question now becomes whether or not M$oft will close these loopholes by the time the official release is out. With M$ it's more important to listen to what they're NOT saying. They keep insisting about mandatory secure boot with no mention of closing loopholes -- at least not as of this writing.

Here's what I don't understand. As I see it the whole idea behind secure boot is to lock out OS's other than the one registered in the BIOS. The question now becomes: suppose your OS is damaged to a point where it won't boot and the only solution is to restore from an image backup file. This requires booting from a flashdrive. How do you do that when all other OS's are locked out? Could you go into the BIOS, disable secure boot, then re-enable it to boot your primary OS? If so then what kind of security is this when to boot another OS you can simply disable secure boot in the BIOS?

Is all this correct or am I wrong somewhere?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 13, 2021, 06:08 AM
As you all know by now, everybody keeps talking about Windows 11's restrictions (secure boot, TPM, RAM, etc.). Take a look at this link (https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/11/disable-tpm-secure-boot-and-ram-requirements-for-windows-11) and you'll see how all restrictions can be easily removed with the latest version of Rufus.

Ever since they opened for business in 1981, Micro$oft's strategy has been to impose restrictions but always leave the door slightly open so we computer geeks can go in and eliminate them. This insures that Windows remains on as many computers as possible while at the same time collecting more money from those who don't know better. It is precisely this sort of thing that has kept them at the very top. Why change it? One thing is for sure: I refuse to believe Micro$oft doesn't know what Rufus has done. They sit back and pretend they don't.

Incidentally, can you burn the original ISO to a flashdrive to remove the restrictions then create a bootable ISO of the flashdrive with PowerISO or some other program?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on October 13, 2021, 06:51 PM
Quote from: humbert on October 13, 2021, 06:08 AM
As you all know by now, everybody keeps talking about Windows 11's restrictions (secure boot, TPM, RAM, etc.). Take a look at this link (https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/11/disable-tpm-secure-boot-and-ram-requirements-for-windows-11) and you'll see how all restrictions can be easily removed with the latest version of Rufus.

Ever since they opened for business in 1981, Micro$oft's strategy has been to impose restrictions but always leave the door slightly open so we computer geeks can go in and eliminate them. This insures that Windows remains on as many computers as possible while at the same time collecting more money from those who don't know better. It is precisely this sort of thing that has kept them at the very top. Why change it? One thing is for sure: I refuse to believe Micro$oft doesn't know what Rufus has done. They sit back and pretend they don't.

Incidentally, can you burn the original ISO to a flashdrive to remove the restrictions then create a bootable ISO of the flashdrive with PowerISO or some other program?
They will allow W11 to gain huge market share over W10 and then stop the patch from working, at that time people already got used to W11 features that they will buy a new device or supported older device until W12 comes out in another 5 yrs.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 14, 2021, 06:08 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 13, 2021, 06:51 PM
They will allow W11 to gain huge market share over W10 and then stop the patch from working, at that time people already got used to W11 features that they will buy a new device or supported older device until W12 comes out in another 5 yrs.

You're correct. In all probability that's what they're going to do.

I've asked this many times. I've googled it and have yet to find a satisfactory answer. Suppose you're running W11 with secure boot enabled and your system won't boot? You DO have a backup, but to restore it you have to boot from flashdrive. Is your flashdrive locked out? Could you simply disable secure boot and re-enable it when you're done? What if all you want to do is look at a distro of linux as a live CD?

I'm not too clear on TPM either. I looked at my motherboard's manual. All it tells you is the menu item where you can set the TPM module. Is this just switching it off or on, or is there more to it?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on October 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
Quote from: humbert on October 14, 2021, 06:08 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 13, 2021, 06:51 PM
They will allow W11 to gain huge market share over W10 and then stop the patch from working, at that time people already got used to W11 features that they will buy a new device or supported older device until W12 comes out in another 5 yrs.

You're correct. In all probability that's what they're going to do.

I've asked this many times. I've googled it and have yet to find a satisfactory answer. Suppose you're running W11 with secure boot enabled and your system won't boot? You DO have a backup, but to restore it you have to boot from flashdrive. Is your flashdrive locked out? Could you simply disable secure boot and re-enable it when you're done? What if all you want to do is look at a distro of linux as a live CD?

I'm not too clear on TPM either. I looked at my motherboard's manual. All it tells you is the menu item where you can set the TPM module. Is this just switching it off or on, or is there more to it?
What W11 wants TPM is to enable Disk Encryption, handle password generation/random numbers using discrete TPM used in Business class desktops/laptops. I do have TPM, Secure boot but CPU is 6700 which is unsupported
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 19, 2021, 04:42 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
What W11 wants TPM is to enable Disk Encryption, handle password generation/random numbers using discrete TPM used in Business class desktops/laptops. I do have TPM, Secure boot but CPU is 6700 which is unsupported.

In your case it's just the CPU. TPM and secure boot have been out for quite a while now.

I'm not too clear about the part regarding password generation. Does this mean every password we use must be generated by the TPM in the motherboard? If in order the enter the BIOS (or UEFI), will we now be forced to use a password to get in, and, will TPM generate it?

Sadly we still don't have an answer to my primary question. Say you have secure boot enabled but your OS won't boot and you must boot from Sergei Strelec's ISO to restore a Macrium Reflect image. If we are prevented from doing that, then how do we rescue our system?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on October 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
Quote from: humbert on October 19, 2021, 04:42 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 18, 2021, 05:10 PM
What W11 wants TPM is to enable Disk Encryption, handle password generation/random numbers using discrete TPM used in Business class desktops/laptops. I do have TPM, Secure boot but CPU is 6700 which is unsupported.

In your case it's just the CPU. TPM and secure boot have been out for quite a while now.

I'm not too clear about the part regarding password generation. Does this mean every password we use must be generated by the TPM in the motherboard? If in order the enter the BIOS (or UEFI), will we now be forced to use a password to get in, and, will TPM generate it?

Sadly we still don't have an answer to my primary question. Say you have secure boot enabled but your OS won't boot and you must boot from Sergei Strelec's ISO to restore a Macrium Reflect image. If we are prevented from doing that, then how do we rescue our system?
We can switch Secure to custom mode and add our USB boot media and it works even with Secure boot enabled since it whitelists our device.
Password generation is similar to how mobile or ARM64 does same concept which resides outside the control of OS and most attempts to read/write the data from those chips/regions are blocked. So not connected to BIOS password generation.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 25, 2021, 05:20 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
We can switch Secure to custom mode and add our USB boot media and it works even with Secure boot enabled since it whitelists our device.

So to do this you'd have to boot into the BIOS and then insert the flashdrive?

Also, does secure boot authorize the device itself or the OS that's on it? Say the flashdrive you authorized had Strelec's PE on it. If I reformatted that same device and installed Parted Magic, would it boot?

Quote from: Vasudev on October 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
Password generation is similar to how mobile or ARM64 does same concept which resides outside the control of OS and most attempts to read/write the data from those chips/regions are blocked. So not connected to BIOS password generation.

Are you saying this is the password that gets you into the BIOS and not related to anything done on the OS? Also, when secure boot and TPM are enabled, are you forced to use a password to get into the BIOS? If you lose the password must you open the case and remove the coin battery or something similar?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on October 26, 2021, 09:47 PM
Quote from: humbert on October 25, 2021, 05:20 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
We can switch Secure to custom mode and add our USB boot media and it works even with Secure boot enabled since it whitelists our device.

So to do this you'd have to boot into the BIOS and then insert the flashdrive?

Also, does secure boot authorize the device itself or the OS that's on it? Say the flashdrive you authorized had Strelec's PE on it. If I reformatted that same device and installed Parted Magic, would it boot?

Quote from: Vasudev on October 24, 2021, 05:50 PM
Password generation is similar to how mobile or ARM64 does same concept which resides outside the control of OS and most attempts to read/write the data from those chips/regions are blocked. So not connected to BIOS password generation.

Are you saying this is the password that gets you into the BIOS and not related to anything done on the OS? Also, when secure boot and TPM are enabled, are you forced to use a password to get into the BIOS? If you lose the password must you open the case and remove the coin battery or something similar?
I use Ventoy nowadays so while you reformat the drive you may need to whitelist it again!
With newer TPMs even removing coin-cell won't erase the data since it will be stored on EEPROM. If the TPM can store password securely if vendors have implemented it; otherwise the BIOS and OS might use the hardware acceleration to generate a password which cryptographically secure.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 27, 2021, 06:24 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 26, 2021, 09:47 PM
I use Ventoy nowadays so while you reformat the drive you may need to whitelist it again!

I was looking at their site but I'm not too clear what Ventoy does. Is this another Rufus or different?

Quote from: Vasudev on October 26, 2021, 09:47 PM
With newer TPMs even removing coin-cell won't erase the data since it will be stored on EEPROM. If the TPM can store password securely if vendors have implemented it; otherwise the BIOS and OS might use the hardware acceleration to generate a password which cryptographically secure.

What happens if you lose your password or simply sell your board?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on December 16, 2021, 08:00 PM
From now on, I will post the new versions of Windows 11 & 10 in this topic.
I consider that "Windows 7 Component Store Cleanup - Rebase" should be cleaned. At least I will remove some of my own posts to avoid the duplicate messages...

Today, new versions of Windows 7 x64, Windows 10 x64 pro v21H2 and Windows 11 with every updates till August 2022 are available on the forum.


As usual, they contain many reg tweaks, netfx 3.5, netfx 4.8, Net 6 desktop runtime, dx9 (and 12), 7zip 22.00, winrar 6.11, Treesize free, Visual C++ Redist, Ultraiso (full version), Subtitles Edit...
Fx sound enhancer v1.1.16 was added.

Nothing was deleted in winsxs and to obtain such a size, install.wim was converted into esd.

Windows defender is disabled by default but can be re-enabled again via gpedit.msc.
Note that the new feature Windows Defender Tamper protection was deactivated too.


(https://i.ibb.co/7G663MP/win10.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/JxbCYY3/win7.jpg)

In the previous versions a script was run to remove the useless appx and provisioned packages. It wasn't used in this version.
Here is the script previously used to remove provisioned apps (the "Sysprep" switch was used).
#This function finds any AppX/AppXProvisioned package and uninstalls it, except for Freshpaint, Windows Calculator, Windows Store, and Windows Photos.
#Also, to note - This does NOT remove essential system services/software/etc such as .NET framework installations, Cortana, Edge, etc.

#This is the switch parameter for running this script as a 'silent' script, for use in MDT images or any type of mass deployment without user interaction.

param (
  [switch]$Debloat, [switch]$SysPrep
)

Function Begin-SysPrep {

    param([switch]$SysPrep)
        Write-Verbose -Message ('Starting Sysprep Fixes')
 
        # Disable Windows Store Automatic Updates
       <# Write-Verbose -Message "Adding Registry key to Disable Windows Store Automatic Updates"
        $registryPath = "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\WindowsStore"
        If (!(Test-Path $registryPath)) {
            Mkdir $registryPath -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
            New-ItemProperty $registryPath -Name AutoDownload -Value 2
        }
        Else {
            Set-ItemProperty $registryPath -Name AutoDownload -Value 2
        }
        #Stop WindowsStore Installer Service and set to Disabled
        Write-Verbose -Message ('Stopping InstallService')
        Stop-Service InstallService
        #>
 }

#Creates a PSDrive to be able to access the 'HKCR' tree
New-PSDrive -Name HKCR -PSProvider Registry -Root HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT
Function Start-Debloat {
   
    param([switch]$Debloat)

    #Removes AppxPackages
    #Credit to Reddit user /u/GavinEke for a modified version of my whitelist code
    [regex]$WhitelistedApps = 'Microsoft.ScreenSketch|Microsoft.Paint3D|Microsoft.WindowsCalculator|Microsoft.WindowsStore|Microsoft.Windows.Photos|CanonicalGroupLimited.UbuntuonWindows|`
    Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes|Microsoft.MSPaint|Microsoft.WindowsCamera|.NET|Framework|Microsoft.HEIFImageExtension|Microsoft.ScreenSketch|Microsoft.StorePurchaseApp|`
    Microsoft.VP9VideoExtensions|Microsoft.WebMediaExtensions|Microsoft.WebpImageExtension|Microsoft.DesktopAppInstaller'
    Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Where-Object {$_.Name -NotMatch $WhitelistedApps} | Remove-AppxPackage -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    # Run this again to avoid error on 1803 or having to reboot.
    Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Where-Object {$_.Name -NotMatch $WhitelistedApps} | Remove-AppxPackage -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    $AppxRemoval = Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object {$_.PackageName -NotMatch $WhitelistedApps}
    ForEach ( $App in $AppxRemoval) {
   
        Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online -PackageName $App.PackageName
       
        }
}

Function Remove-Keys {
       
    Param([switch]$Debloat)   
   
    #These are the registry keys that it will delete.
       
    $Keys = @(
       
        #Remove Background Tasks
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\46928bounde.EclipseManager_2.2.4.51_neutral__a5h4egax66k6y"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\ActiproSoftwareLLC.562882FEEB491_2.6.18.18_neutral__24pqs290vpjk0"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub_17.7909.7600.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\Microsoft.PPIProjection_10.0.15063.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.15063.0.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.BackgroundTasks\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.16299.15.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
       
        #Windows File
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.File\PackageId\ActiproSoftwareLLC.562882FEEB491_2.6.18.18_neutral__24pqs290vpjk0"
       
        #Registry keys to delete if they aren't uninstalled by RemoveAppXPackage/RemoveAppXProvisionedPackage
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId\46928bounde.EclipseManager_2.2.4.51_neutral__a5h4egax66k6y"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId\ActiproSoftwareLLC.562882FEEB491_2.6.18.18_neutral__24pqs290vpjk0"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId\Microsoft.PPIProjection_10.0.15063.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.15063.0.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Launch\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.16299.15.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
       
        #Scheduled Tasks to delete
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.PreInstalledConfigTask\PackageId\Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub_17.7909.7600.0_x64__8wekyb3d8bbwe"
       
        #Windows Protocol Keys
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Protocol\PackageId\ActiproSoftwareLLC.562882FEEB491_2.6.18.18_neutral__24pqs290vpjk0"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Protocol\PackageId\Microsoft.PPIProjection_10.0.15063.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Protocol\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.15063.0.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.Protocol\PackageId\Microsoft.XboxGameCallableUI_1000.16299.15.0_neutral_neutral_cw5n1h2txyewy"
           
        #Windows Share Target
        "HKCR:\Extensions\ContractId\Windows.ShareTarget\PackageId\ActiproSoftwareLLC.562882FEEB491_2.6.18.18_neutral__24pqs290vpjk0"
    )
   
    #This writes the output of each key it is removing and also removes the keys listed above.
    ForEach ($Key in $Keys) {
        Write-Output "Removing $Key from registry"
        Remove-Item $Key -Recurse -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    }
}
       
Function Protect-Privacy {
   
    Param([switch]$Debloat)   

    #Creates a PSDrive to be able to access the 'HKCR' tree
    New-PSDrive -Name HKCR -PSProvider Registry -Root HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT
       
    #Disables Windows Feedback Experience
    Write-Output "Disabling Windows Feedback Experience program"
    $Advertising = 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\AdvertisingInfo'
    If (Test-Path $Advertising) {
        Set-ItemProperty $Advertising -Name Enabled -Value 0 -Verbose
    }
       
    #Stops Cortana from being used as part of your Windows Search Function
    Write-Output "Stopping Cortana from being used as part of your Windows Search Function"
    $Search = 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search'
    If (Test-Path $Search) {
        Set-ItemProperty $Search -Name AllowCortana -Value 0 -Verbose
    }
       
    #Stops the Windows Feedback Experience from sending anonymous data
    Write-Output "Stopping the Windows Feedback Experience program"
    $Period1 = 'HKCU:\Software\Microsoft\Siuf'
    $Period2 = 'HKCU:\Software\Microsoft\Siuf\Rules'
    $Period3 = 'HKCU:\Software\Microsoft\Siuf\Rules\PeriodInNanoSeconds'
    If (!(Test-Path $Period3)) {
        mkdir $Period1 -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        mkdir $Period2 -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        mkdir $Period3 -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        New-ItemProperty $Period3 -Name PeriodInNanoSeconds -Value 0 -Verbose -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    }
               
    Write-Output "Adding Registry key to prevent bloatware apps from returning"
    #Prevents bloatware applications from returning
    $registryPath = "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent"
    If (!(Test-Path $registryPath)) {
        Mkdir $registryPath -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
        New-ItemProperty $registryPath -Name DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures -Value 1 -Verbose -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    }         
   
    Write-Output "Setting Mixed Reality Portal value to 0 so that you can uninstall it in Settings"
    $Holo = 'HKCU:\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Holographic'   
    If (Test-Path $Holo) {
        Set-ItemProperty $Holo -Name FirstRunSucceeded -Value 0 -Verbose
    }
   
    #Disables live tiles
    Write-Output "Disabling live tiles"
    $Live = 'HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\PushNotifications'   
    If (!(Test-Path $Live)) {
        mkdir $Live -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue     
        New-ItemProperty $Live -Name NoTileApplicationNotification -Value 1 -Verbose
    }
   
    #Turns off Data Collection via the AllowTelemtry key by changing it to 0
    Write-Output "Turning off Data Collection"
    $DataCollection = 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\DataCollection'   
    If (Test-Path $DataCollection) {
        Set-ItemProperty $DataCollection -Name AllowTelemetry -Value 0 -Verbose
    }
   
    #Disables People icon on Taskbar
    Write-Output "Disabling People icon on Taskbar"
    $People = 'HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\People'
    If (Test-Path $People) {
        Set-ItemProperty $People -Name PeopleBand -Value 0 -Verbose
    }

    #Disables suggestions on start menu
    Write-Output "Disabling suggestions on the Start Menu"
    $Suggestions = 'HKCU:\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager'   
    If (Test-Path $Suggestions) {
        Set-ItemProperty $Suggestions -Name SystemPaneSuggestionsEnabled -Value 0 -Verbose
    }
   
   
     Write-Output "Removing CloudStore from registry if it exists"
     $CloudStore = 'HKCUSoftware\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\CloudStore'
     If (Test-Path $CloudStore) {
     Stop-Process Explorer.exe -Force
     Remove-Item $CloudStore
     Start-Process Explorer.exe -Wait
    }

    #Loads the registry keys/values below into the NTUSER.DAT file which prevents the apps from redownloading. Credit to a60wattfish
    reg load HKU\Default_User C:\Users\Default\NTUSER.DAT
    Set-ItemProperty -Path Registry::HKU\Default_User\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager -Name SystemPaneSuggestionsEnabled -Value 0
    Set-ItemProperty -Path Registry::HKU\Default_User\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager -Name PreInstalledAppsEnabled -Value 0
    Set-ItemProperty -Path Registry::HKU\Default_User\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ContentDeliveryManager -Name OemPreInstalledAppsEnabled -Value 0
    reg unload HKU\Default_User
   
    #Disables scheduled tasks that are considered unnecessary
    Write-Output "Disabling scheduled tasks"
    #Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName XblGameSaveTaskLogon | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName XblGameSaveTask | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName Consolidator | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName UsbCeip | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName DmClient | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
    Get-ScheduledTask -TaskName DmClientOnScenarioDownload | Disable-ScheduledTask -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue
}

#This includes fixes by xsisbest
Function FixWhitelistedApps {
   
    Param([switch]$Debloat)
   
    If(!(Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Select Microsoft.Paint3D, Microsoft.MSPaint, Microsoft.WindowsCalculator, Microsoft.WindowsStore, Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes, Microsoft.WindowsSoundRecorder, Microsoft.Windows.Photos)) {
   
    #Credit to abulgatz for the 4 lines of code
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.Paint3D | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.MSPaint | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.WindowsCalculator | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.WindowsStore | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.WindowsSoundRecorder | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
    Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.Windows.Photos | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"} }
}

Function CheckDMWService {

  Param([switch]$Debloat)
 
If (Get-Service -Name dmwappushservice | Where-Object {$_.StartType -eq "Disabled"}) {
    Set-Service -Name dmwappushservice -StartupType Automatic}

If(Get-Service -Name dmwappushservice | Where-Object {$_.Status -eq "Stopped"}) {
   Start-Service -Name dmwappushservice}
  }

Function CheckInstallService {
  Param([switch]$Debloat)
          If (Get-Service -Name InstallService | Where-Object {$_.Status -eq "Stopped"}) { 
            Start-Service -Name InstallService
            Set-Service -Name InstallService -StartupType Automatic
            }
        }

Write-Output "Initiating Sysprep"
Begin-SysPrep
Write-Output "Removing bloatware apps."
Start-Debloat
Write-Output "Removing leftover bloatware registry keys."
Remove-Keys
Write-Output "Checking to see if any Whitelisted Apps were removed, and if so re-adding them."
FixWhitelistedApps
Write-Output "Stopping telemetry, disabling unneccessary scheduled tasks, and preventing bloatware from returning."
Protect-Privacy
#Write-Output "Stopping Edge from taking over as the default PDF Viewer."
#Stop-EdgePDF
CheckDMWService
CheckInstallService
Write-Output "Finished all tasks."


Windows 10 link: Windows 10 x64 (https://mega.nz/file/4VsRGSyJ#qzUGnBNY2DxN1RAIqyAVEmQ1PcHAewB7CWyFRi4NJEo)

Windows 11 link: Windows 11 x64 (https://mega.nz/file/YcFzQbAT#RsfEL2QD1QaCQ12dGI8GkQlnygFGHhZhIZCVa02HMmg)

Windows 7 link: Windows 7 x64 (https://mega.nz/file/VVU1BDTS#BCkUImmdk-WoGtOOJk_Bbfcr4lZZ2eSPhG2VfJt5RPA)



Note that you can still download XP here (an updated, lite version of Maher's edition which includes every update):
kb4012598 and wmp11 with its updates have been integrated. What's more, some visual tweaks were applied as you can see on the screenshot below.
Finally, a few unneeded elements were removed (the list is available in the nlite log in the iso file).

Not available any longer.
(https://image.ibb.co/fjD21U/xp.png)



Here is office 2007 with all the updates, till August 2018 (it's a switch-less installer).
Link: Office 2007 (https://mega.nz/file/wU1WCLya#iH1BYgcHOnL5c_FPkQCFtf1LNlai980AUXkDoqZhoYM)
(https://www.ginjfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Office_2007.jpg)




Rebase 1.3 for windows 7x64 with its tutorial by harkaz.
An essential program to slim down Windows 7.
Link: https://mega.nz/#!EUEQFQja!Zc1idDsCZXVzHuYHGpthefz_o82bMOgn7OdisvNsK_A (https://mega.nz/#!EUEQFQja!Zc1idDsCZXVzHuYHGpthefz_o82bMOgn7OdisvNsK_A)


Note that a switch-less lite installer for the latest nvidia drivers for windows 10 & 11 x64 is available here (v516.94)
Only graphics driver and Physx system are installed. Geforce experience is not installed.
It is possible to run this during the installation ($oem$ folder).
Link: Nvidia driver (https://mega.nz/file/UVtDRI7a#zjWiFdzrlct6dQz4xcX2l7TrtCWohplP6qNBxPRvw1U)

(https://i.ibb.co/P9W0Q95/Nvidia.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/Bt8JpDn/nvidia.jpg)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ze7sHMKiVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNEadYEZb9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaXgcCOaaHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEMqvrMoEF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydjglwfe7II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODAyvkCNYSc
https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Fsx-1hw0Xg?cc_load_policy=1&cc_lang_pref=en (https://www.youtube.com/embed/7Fsx-1hw0Xg?cc_load_policy=1&cc_lang_pref=en)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24xRFPGMImY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Ioxh3OTSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DiCeoOoMCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17CwZmI8mUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pKowWFBIuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCxZRfqd_pM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSW_lKGf9us

(https://i.ibb.co/vwM2Tcb/baboon2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on January 09, 2022, 05:25 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 & 11 will be available next week.

(https://i.ibb.co/4Y1P9Qh/win10.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on January 10, 2022, 05:21 AM
Quote from: scarface on January 09, 2022, 05:25 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 & 11 will be available next week.

Who among us is using Windows 11? Probably nobody unless you're testing it inside a virtual machine. Just like most of you, I believe it's way too early do go with 11. There are all kinds of hacks and other modifications available for 10, but not for 11 -- at least not yet. I recommend patience.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on January 11, 2022, 03:49 PM
Quote from: humbert on January 10, 2022, 05:21 AM
Quote from: scarface on January 09, 2022, 05:25 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 & 11 will be available next week.

Who among us is using Windows 11? Probably nobody unless you're testing it inside a virtual machine. Just like most of you, I believe it's way too early do go with 11. There are all kinds of hacks and other modifications available for 10, but not for 11 -- at least not yet. I recommend patience.
None of my family's laptops/desktops  works with win 11.
Though I have downloaded latest copy of W7 and W11 from scarface.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on January 12, 2022, 04:53 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on January 11, 2022, 03:49 PM
None of my family's laptops/desktops  works with win 11.
Though I have downloaded latest copy of W7 and W11 from scarface.

Not that you would actually want to use W11, but let me ask: these copies of W11 that didn't work - were they modified? In other words, were the secure boot and TPM requirements removed? I'm thinking these copies might run on older PC's. After all, the only real difference is removing these Micro$haft-imposed restrictions.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on January 12, 2022, 08:51 PM
Quote from: humbert on January 12, 2022, 04:53 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on January 11, 2022, 03:49 PM
None of my family's laptops/desktops  works with win 11.
Though I have downloaded latest copy of W7 and W11 from scarface.

Not that you would actually want to use W11, but let me ask: these copies of W11 that didn't work - were they modified? In other words, were the secure boot and TPM requirements removed? I'm thinking these copies might run on older PC's. After all, the only real difference is removing these Micro$haft-imposed restrictions.
Its the CPU like I said. Being a intel skylake its EOL. Secure boot and TPM 2.0 is already working.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on January 13, 2022, 04:37 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on January 12, 2022, 08:51 PM
Its the CPU like I said. Being a intel skylake its EOL. Secure boot and TPM 2.0 is already working.

So then this copy you tested was NOT modded to skip those Microsoft requirements? Basically what I'm asking is if a modded copy of Win11 (secure boot & TMP disabled) will work on a Skylake or older.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on January 13, 2022, 08:41 PM
Quote from: humbert on January 13, 2022, 04:37 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on January 12, 2022, 08:51 PM
Its the CPU like I said. Being a intel skylake its EOL. Secure boot and TPM 2.0 is already working.

So then this copy you tested was NOT modded to skip those Microsoft requirements? Basically what I'm asking is if a modded copy of Win11 (secure boot & TMP disabled) will work on a Skylake or older.
It will. Scarface's copy has these reqmts disabled.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on February 12, 2022, 10:20 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 and 11 are available in the previous message.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on February 13, 2022, 05:43 AM
Quote from: scarface on February 12, 2022, 10:20 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 and 11 are available in the previous message.

Are you able to upgrade from Windows 10 by mounting the ISO and running the setup program?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on February 13, 2022, 08:51 PM
Quote from: humbert on February 13, 2022, 05:43 AM
Quote from: scarface on February 12, 2022, 10:20 PM
Note that new versions of windows 10 and 11 are available in the previous message.

Are you able to upgrade from Windows 10 by mounting the ISO and running the setup program?
Should be possible since most W10 users upgrade by mounting the ISO and running setup.exe
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on February 15, 2022, 05:49 AM
I might want to take a look at Scarface's W11 under VirtualBox. I'm not seeing a download link.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on February 16, 2022, 03:49 PM
Quote from: humbert on February 15, 2022, 05:49 AM
I might want to take a look at Scarface's W11 under VirtualBox. I'm not seeing a download link.
It wasn't in the previous message, but on the previous page...
Link here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on February 25, 2022, 04:55 PM
I'll be trying Win 11 in a VM. I'm downloading it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on February 28, 2022, 07:01 PM
@humbert and @scarface Should i make stock version of W11 w/o bypassing the system requirements or should I add them?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on March 01, 2022, 04:50 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on February 28, 2022, 07:01 PM
@humbert and @scarface Should i make stock version of W11 w/o bypassing the system requirements or should I add them?

NO! The restrictions imposed by Micro$haft are useless. In my tests the OS runs well perfectly without them. M$ wants us to buy a more expensive computer when the one we have does the job perfectly. They also assume we don't know what we're doing so they "protect" us by imposing secure boot. I have yet to hear a situation where someone had a problem because TPM wasn't enabled.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 01, 2022, 07:01 PM
Quote from: humbert on March 01, 2022, 04:50 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on February 28, 2022, 07:01 PM
@humbert and @scarface Should i make stock version of W11 w/o bypassing the system requirements or should I add them?

NO! The restrictions imposed by Micro$haft are useless. In my tests the OS runs well perfectly without them. M$ wants us to buy a more expensive computer when the one we have does the job perfectly. They also assume we don't know what we're doing so they "protect" us by imposing secure boot. I have yet to hear a situation where someone had a problem because TPM wasn't enabled.
Already add security bypass via NTLite, for some reason the process is slow on NTLite and WinToolkit while removing packages or adding them, even uup conversion took a long time. W11 Image editing took a very long time almost 2-3x than Win 7/8.1/10.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on March 02, 2022, 05:16 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 01, 2022, 07:01 PM
Already add security bypass via NTLite, for some reason the process is slow on NTLite and WinToolkit while removing packages or adding them, even uup conversion took a long time. W11 Image editing took a very long time almost 2-3x than Win 7/8.1/10.

You can also do this with Rufus or with a registry hack. I'm not sure where it is, you'll find it on Google.

As I explained before, in my tests on Virtualbox Windows 11 is rock solid - this is without those ridiculous restrictions. As is always the case, you have to remove the garbage, disable the telemetry, and configure it to your tastes. Clearly M$'s restrictions are useless and totally unnecessary.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 02, 2022, 07:53 PM
Quote from: humbert on March 02, 2022, 05:16 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 01, 2022, 07:01 PM
Already add security bypass via NTLite, for some reason the process is slow on NTLite and WinToolkit while removing packages or adding them, even uup conversion took a long time. W11 Image editing took a very long time almost 2-3x than Win 7/8.1/10.

You can also do this with Rufus or with a registry hack. I'm not sure where it is, you'll find it on Google.

As I explained before, in my tests on Virtualbox Windows 11 is rock solid - this is without those ridiculous restrictions. As is always the case, you have to remove the garbage, disable the telemetry, and configure it to your tastes. Clearly M$'s restrictions are useless and totally unnecessary.
Still haven't tried it in VM. Athough telemetry and other appx were removed.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on March 03, 2022, 05:30 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 02, 2022, 07:53 PM
Still haven't tried it in VM. Athough telemetry and other appx were removed.

Have you tried it at all, i.e., on a real computer? If so what do you think?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 06, 2022, 05:34 PM
Quote from: humbert on March 03, 2022, 05:30 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 02, 2022, 07:53 PM
Still haven't tried it in VM. Athough telemetry and other appx were removed.

Have you tried it at all, i.e., on a real computer? If so what do you think?
I tried only in VM and all bypass were added. Coudn't find a compatible real machine. Anyway, the update integration process is slow in Win 11 according to Abbodi due to:
with W11 it's more slower when adding LCU msu file, because it generate reverse delta PSFX during process
for other updates or cab files

Found a switchless installer for  DX runtimes. DX runtimes repack (http://"https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/repack-directx-end-user-runtime-june-2010.84785/")
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 14, 2022, 03:58 PM
It seems the W11 ISO upload will take a week to upload. One of the ISPs is throttling uploads.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PM
It seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on March 24, 2022, 03:18 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PMIt seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.

Did it freeze up at 50% or what? Are you uploading this directly or seeding a torrent?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on March 24, 2022, 12:01 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PMIt seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.
I can provide ftp access to my server if you would like me to act as a middlehand, if uploading to normal homepages is problematic.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 24, 2022, 03:44 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on March 24, 2022, 12:01 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PMIt seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.
I can provide ftp access to my server if you would like me to act as a middlehand, if uploading to normal homepages is problematic.
Huge file Uploads are suddenly blocked for no reason, there is no issue while downloading huge files, it seems like some FUP policy.
Let me try uploading through the FTP link you use.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 24, 2022, 03:46 PM
Quote from: humbert on March 24, 2022, 03:18 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PMIt seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.

Did it freeze up at 50% or what? Are you uploading this directly or seeding a torrent?

I split the files into parts of 700MB out of which 3(total 6 parts) are uploaded.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on March 26, 2022, 11:24 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 24, 2022, 03:46 PM
Quote from: humbert on March 24, 2022, 03:18 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 19, 2022, 07:11 PMIt seems 50% of the Win 11 ISO is uploaded. Something is blocking uploads.

Did it freeze up at 50% or what? Are you uploading this directly or seeding a torrent?

I split the files into parts of 700MB out of which 3(total 6 parts) are uploaded.
Upload complete. Win 11 links shared via PM. Thanks to Humbert, Shadow97 and scarface.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on April 14, 2022, 07:53 PM
Note that new versions of windows 7, 10 & 11 will be available soon.
Some new drivers will be included in Windows 10 and 11.

As far as windows 11 is concerned, I tested it and I'm a bit disappointed.
-The new paint is not familiar and quite cumbersome to use. I use paint to resize the photos of the forum and it's harder than before.
-There are several bugs with old programs. For instance when I use vmware12 and I get a Blue screen whenever I plug a usb device.
-It seems there is a bug with the wireless networks in the taskbar. You just can't display them...
-Each time I play a video (with youtube or vlc...), there is a 5-second lag before the sound works. Apparently this bug is common. I tested various drivers, to no avail.
It's just a small list. Actually I don't understand why Microsoft released this new version.
I was using windows 10 v1903 until now and I will go back to windows 10.

Note that Vasudev apparently sent a homemade windows 11 to humbert, Maher and me but I never found the link. With what was said earlier, I'm not willing to test another version of windows 11 anyway.

Note that I was dumbfounded when I was not able to install windows 10 & 11 after formatting the Hard drive disk. It becomes harder and harder with their new format (gpt? mbr?) At least it wasn't that hard to install window95 formerly.
I had the error message: "we couldn't create a new partition or locate an existing one"
I followed the tutorial in this video and it worked:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/we-couldnt-create-a-new-partition-or-locate-an/acdb1dae-01d9-44f7-846c-433e5addcfc2
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on April 15, 2022, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 26, 2022, 11:24 PMUpload complete. Win 11 links shared via PM. Thanks to Humbert, Shadow97 and scarface.

I have to agree with Scarface. I don't recall seeing the link. Please resend.

Did you disable TPM and secure boot? Also, did you remove the unwanted bloat M$ installs? I think this is the best approach. For those who want any of that, it's easily available on the Windows Store.

Scarface: With respect to the bugs you reported, I haven't run into any yet. Despite that, your post doesn't surprise me at all. New stuff is ALWAYS buggy. I still believe it's way too early to go full steam with W11. Much more testing and bug fixing need to be done.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on April 17, 2022, 02:04 AM
Note that a new version of windows 10 is available here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
As for the version of Windows 11, TPM and secure boot were disabled (I installed it with a bios configured in Legacy mode with secure boot disabled, otherwise the usb key is not recognized).
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on April 19, 2022, 04:39 PM
Quote from: humbert on April 15, 2022, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on March 26, 2022, 11:24 PMUpload complete. Win 11 links shared via PM. Thanks to Humbert, Shadow97 and scarface.

I have to agree with Scarface. I don't recall seeing the link. Please resend.

Did you disable TPM and secure boot? Also, did you remove the unwanted bloat M$ installs? I think this is the best approach. For those who want any of that, it's easily available on the Windows Store.

Scarface: With respect to the bugs you reported, I haven't run into any yet. Despite that, your post doesn't surprise me at all. New stuff is ALWAYS buggy. I still believe it's way too early to go full steam with W11. Much more testing and bug fixing need to be done.
I didn't notice it because I shared entire Win 11 folder. TPM and SB checks were disabled and also unwanted UWP apps have been removed and size reduction was around 800MB on both Home and Pro.
EDIT: Check PM with title "Win 11 ISO Link"
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on April 20, 2022, 05:28 AM
How do you download from MEGA? I opened a non-incognito version of Iron Browser (Chrome clone without tracking) and it says "download complete". The file is nowhere to be found.

I should mention MEGA has very slow download speeds. Maybe it's because I'm not paying.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2022, 03:28 PM
Quote from: humbert on April 20, 2022, 05:28 AMHow do you download from MEGA? I opened a non-incognito version of Iron Browser (Chrome clone without tracking) and it says "download complete". The file is nowhere to be found.

I should mention MEGA has very slow download speeds. Maybe it's because I'm not paying.
When we say slow, how slow are you referring to?
I used to get faster back in the days on Mega, maxing out my connection. But currently getting 5.0MB/s +-0.1
Generally speaking I peak 13.0MB/s.

My understanding is that it downloads it to your cache first and decrypts, then triggers a local download from your own cache that is instantly completed. They do it to avoid being sued for storing copyrighted materials if i recall correctly.

I'm a firefox user.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on April 21, 2022, 03:40 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2022, 03:28 PM
Quote from: humbert on April 20, 2022, 05:28 AMHow do you download from MEGA? I opened a non-incognito version of Iron Browser (Chrome clone without tracking) and it says "download complete". The file is nowhere to be found.

I should mention MEGA has very slow download speeds. Maybe it's because I'm not paying.
When we say slow, how slow are you referring to?
I used to get faster back in the days on Mega, maxing out my connection. But currently getting 5.0MB/s +-0.1
Generally speaking I peak 13.0MB/s.

My understanding is that it downloads it to your cache first and decrypts, then triggers a local download from your own cache that is instantly completed. They do it to avoid being sued for storing copyrighted materials if i recall correctly.

I'm a firefox user.
Smaller files can be downloaded through browser but larger sized downloads are off downloaded using megasync.
@humbert There is a throttle quota of 1GB or 2GB download size every 6hrs on free plan.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on April 23, 2022, 06:02 AM
I didn't measure the MEGA download speed, but I do recall that each 700 MB took 3-4 minutes. MEGA's software will not allow you to use IDM. I have Google Fiber with gives me 1gbps up and down. If there had been no throttling and IDM would have taken over the download, we'd be talking maybe 15 seconds.

I use both Firefox and the Iron browser. This is a carbon copy of Google Chrome without the tracking. There are some sites that prefer Firefox and others that prefer Iron (or Chrome). MEGA is a good example. I couldn't download with Firefox, and with Iron only with the incognito mode disabled. In both cases I did not install their addon. I'm assuming this is what MEGA wants you to do.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on April 26, 2022, 08:08 PM
Quote from: humbert on April 23, 2022, 06:02 AMI didn't measure the MEGA download speed, but I do recall that each 700 MB took 3-4 minutes. MEGA's software will not allow you to use IDM. I have Google Fiber with gives me 1gbps up and down. If there had been no throttling and IDM would have taken over the download, we'd be talking maybe 15 seconds.

I use both Firefox and the Iron browser. This is a carbon copy of Google Chrome without the tracking. There are some sites that prefer Firefox and others that prefer Iron (or Chrome). MEGA is a good example. I couldn't download with Firefox, and with Iron only with the incognito mode disabled. In both cases I did not install their addon. I'm assuming this is what MEGA wants you to do.
Firefox is slow esp. with huge files on mega.nz and chrome has better storage speed and handle huge files at the expense of RAM and CPU.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 03, 2022, 04:39 AM
Has anyone actually did a full-fledged upgrade to Windows 11, or are we all still in the testing stage? I haven't upgraded because as of this writing there's still not enough support. If there's a program knows as "Windows 11 Privacy" (or similar) I've yet to see it. As I said before, on VirtualBox it runs great and even boots up almost immediately.

As is typical of M$, they've already said that in order to upgrade to Alder Lake (Intel's latest as of this writing) you must use W11. This is, of course, barring some 3rd party drivers that can take full advantage of Alder Lake on W10 or less.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 03, 2022, 07:18 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 03, 2022, 04:39 AMHas anyone actually did a full-fledged upgrade to Windows 11, or are we all still in the testing stage? I haven't upgraded because as of this writing there's still not enough support. If there's a program knows as "Windows 11 Privacy" (or similar) I've yet to see it. As I said before, on VirtualBox it runs great and even boots up almost immediately.

As is typical of M$, they've already said that in order to upgrade to Alder Lake (Intel's latest as of this writing) you must use W11. This is, of course, barring some 3rd party drivers that can take full advantage of Alder Lake on W10 or less.
Yes, I used my W10 regedits on Win 11 and couple of new things specific to Win 11.
For ADL or newer Ryzen's you need Win 11 to take full advantage.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 04, 2022, 05:11 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 03, 2022, 07:18 PMYes, I used my W10 regedits on Win 11 and couple of new things specific to Win 11.
For ADL or newer Ryzen's you need Win 11 to take full advantage.

It's always the same story -- sooner or later we will have no choice but to upgrade. It's just that now is not the time. Let's wait for newer hacks and other stuff.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on May 04, 2022, 08:09 AM
I love how manufacturers list devices as shipping with both windows 10 and 11, seems like even they can't tell the difference.. :')
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 07, 2022, 05:11 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 04, 2022, 08:09 AMI love how manufacturers list devices as shipping with both windows 10 and 11, seems like even they can't tell the difference.. :')

I'm thinking they mean W10 preinstalled with am available free upgrade to W11. Then again, I haven't heard that M$ is charging W10 users to upgrade to W11.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 13, 2022, 11:42 AM
Note that new versions of windows 10 & 7 will be available on the forum soon. Since windows 11 has bugs, there will be no more new versions for the moment.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 14, 2022, 08:20 PM
Quote from: scarface on May 13, 2022, 11:42 AMNote that new versions of windows 10 & 7 will be available on the forum soon. Since windows 11 has bugs, there will be no more new versions for the moment.
Also 20HX Win10 is EOL and users need 21H1 or hiher to get updates. Damn, two more years and Win 10 will be dead. I don't think people will miss W10 unlike XP and 7.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 15, 2022, 12:23 AM
Note that new versions of windows 7 and windows 10 are available here:
https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 15, 2022, 04:45 AM
Quote from: scarface on May 15, 2022, 12:23 AMNote that new versions of windows 7 and windows 10 are available here:

Who's still using Windows 7? M$ stopped supporting it long ago.  It's not like XP. By this I mean that those who were still using XP had old systems and it was financially impossible for them to upgrade. M$ made it very clear that any computer than ran W7 could run W8 and subsequently W10. It was with W11 that they drew the line, and even then you could alter W11 to get around this limitation.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 15, 2022, 08:03 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 15, 2022, 04:45 AMWho's still using Windows 7? M$ stopped supporting it long ago.  It's not like XP. By this I mean that those who were still using XP had old systems and it was financially impossible for them to upgrade. M$ made it very clear that any computer than ran W7 could run W8 and subsequently W10. It was with W11 that they drew the line, and even then you could alter W11 to get around this limitation.
Actually, Windows 7 is still receiving updates every month. But it's true that it's probably advisable to use a newer version. As for windows 11, I have problems with it (memory leaks, audio lags) and the new mspaint is quite cumbersome to use (the exe can't be replaced).
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 15, 2022, 08:29 PM
Quote from: scarface on May 15, 2022, 08:03 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 15, 2022, 04:45 AMWho's still using Windows 7? M$ stopped supporting it long ago.  It's not like XP. By this I mean that those who were still using XP had old systems and it was financially impossible for them to upgrade. M$ made it very clear that any computer than ran W7 could run W8 and subsequently W10. It was with W11 that they drew the line, and even then you could alter W11 to get around this limitation.
Actually, Windows 7 is still receiving updates every month. But it's true that it's probably advisable to use a newer version. As for windows 11, I have problems with it (memory leaks, audio lags) and the new mspaint is quite cumbersome to use (the exe can't be replaced).
Yes as an ESR for some EU/US with higher fees. Actually unsupported for consumer or public users but W7 gets the job done
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 16, 2022, 04:57 AM
You're saying M$ is still updating Windows 7? I Googled that and it says that as of Jan 14, 2020 there are no more security updates. What's going on?

I have no doubt Win7 gets the job done. The problem here is lack of support, and I don't mean just M$. There are probably hardware manufacturers who don't bother to write driver for it any more. As more time passes, more manufacturers will add themselves to the list.

Did you test W11 on a "real" computer or on a virtual machine? I'm asking because in my tests on Virtualbox it performs quite well. It's just the typical M$ annoyances people have to deal with. I found a very clean bare-bones ISO on the torrents with a great many "features" removed. It doesn't even have Edge. This is no problem, if I wanted Edge it's available on the M$ store app. Despite all this, I believe it's still too early to go full on with W11. Let them improve it and let guys write more hacks for it.

If this were a perfect world, those who write operating systems should always provide us with a very clean copy. You download what you need from their store or repositories. Better this than having to spend all day removing unwanted garbage.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 16, 2022, 05:39 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 16, 2022, 04:57 AMYou're saying M$ is still updating Windows 7? I Googled that and it says that as of Jan 14, 2020 there are no more security updates. What's going on?

I have no doubt Win7 gets the job done. The problem here is lack of support, and I don't mean just M$. There are probably hardware manufacturers who don't bother to write driver for it any more. As more time passes, more manufacturers will add themselves to the list.

Did you test W11 on a "real" computer or on a virtual machine? I'm asking because in my tests on Virtualbox it performs quite well. It's just the typical M$ annoyances people have to deal with. I found a very clean bare-bones ISO on the torrents with a great many "features" removed. It doesn't even have Edge. This is no problem, if I wanted Edge it's available on the M$ store app. Despite all this, I believe it's still too early to go full on with W11. Let them improve it and let guys write more hacks for it.

If this were a perfect world, those who write operating systems should always provide us with a very clean copy. You download what you need from their store or repositories. Better this than having to spend all day removing unwanted garbage.
W7 ESR release Win 7 ESR docs (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/windows-7-eos-faq/windows-7-extended-security-updates-faq)
I haven't tested win 11 on physical machines since I don't have any devices compatible with W11. In Vbox it works. In my ISO I use msi installer of Edge Enterprise (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/business/download). You can safely delete folder EdgeCore from Program Files x86\Microsoft\ and keep only Edge, EdgeUpdate and Temp and save 600MB of bloat since desktop version points to Edge folder.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 16, 2022, 10:33 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 16, 2022, 05:39 PMW7 ESR release Win 7 ESR docs (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-client/windows-7-eos-faq/windows-7-extended-security-updates-faq)
Windows 7 is supported till January 2023 with the ESU indeed. Let's thank Vasudev for answering the numerous questions of humbert, I had no time to answer today.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 17, 2022, 04:52 AM
Quote from: scarface on May 16, 2022, 10:33 PMWindows 7 is supported till January 2023 with the ESU indeed. Let's thank Vasudev for answering the numerous questions of humbert, I had no time to answer today.


Where is that support coming from? On Google it says Jan 14, 2020 is the final day. If M$ changed their minds I'm not aware of it. Even so, I see no reason not to upgrade to W10. Forget about W11 for now.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 17, 2022, 05:03 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 17, 2022, 04:52 AM
Quote from: scarface on May 16, 2022, 10:33 PMWindows 7 is supported till January 2023 with the ESU indeed. Let's thank Vasudev for answering the numerous questions of humbert, I had no time to answer today.


Where is that support coming from? On Google it says Jan 14, 2020 is the final day. If M$ changed their minds I'm not aware of it. Even so, I see no reason not to upgrade to W10. Forget about W11 for now.
Thanks scarface.
Humbert: That 2020 EOL date is applicable to general consumers and small business who doesn't have paid volume licenses covering more than 1000 PCs plus Office, Visual Studio, PowerBI etc. Large corps find it difficult to move on to new version of the same including hardware devices and rollout to every PCs, laptops etc.
For those willing to pay huge extra sums for keeping existing devices supported for few more years which helps in careful migration strategies to newer OS and hardware being W11 and newer security policies will have fresh breath of life instead of producing more e-waste and dump working devices.
Through the Extended Security Update program some people used the same trick which allows home and other users of W7 enjoy updated Windows 7.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 19, 2022, 04:46 AM
Vasu: While those corporations you mentioned can still download security updates for W7 directly from M$, I'm not too clear about how regular users do it. Based on what you explained you and I can't exactly get the updates directly from M$ servers.

Don't you hate it when M$ purposely makes important hardware updates available ONLY on newer versions of Windows (W11 in this case). I have a WiFi 6E router. I bought a desktop PCI WiFi 6E adapter to replace the LAN cable that's all over the floor. For me it's ideal: the distance to the router is about 3½ meters with a direct line of sight. Guess what? Wifi 6 worked, but not WiFi 6E. The reason? 6E support is only available on W11.  >:(  Since it's still too early to upgrade, I returned the device to Amazon.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 20, 2022, 08:12 PM
Note that I downloaded windows 11 build 22621 which could be the RTM for windows 11 22H2. Then, maybe a new version of windows 11 with the usual apps and updates will be released soon.
Incredibly enough I tested this new version and after installing open-shell (to restore the classic Start Menu), explorer.exe stopped working altogether. Even after a reboot it wasn't possible to open a folder. Apparently, the previous versions were plagued by various bugs and crashes of explorer.exe.
I'm going to make another try but I will give up if it's acting up again.
For those who are using windows 7 or 10 (or something else), it might be important to be aware of those potential problems.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 22, 2022, 02:49 AM
Note that I found out what was breaking the start menu in the latest Windows 11 release.

Apparently the regedit key to restore the classic right click menu is not working any more:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Shell\Update\Packages]
"UndockingDisabled"=dword:00000001

Instead, these new regedit keys should be used:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}]
@=""

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32]
@=""

The useless changes in the various versions of the windows OS are really annoying.
Note that I installed the classic Paint and added a shortcut in the right click menu too. Windows 11 22h2 should be available on the forum tomorrow.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 23, 2022, 05:04 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 19, 2022, 04:46 AMVasu: While those corporations you mentioned can still download security updates for W7 directly from M$, I'm not too clear about how regular users do it. Based on what you explained you and I can't exactly get the updates directly from M$ servers.

Don't you hate it when M$ purposely makes important hardware updates available ONLY on newer versions of Windows (W11 in this case). I have a WiFi 6E router. I bought a desktop PCI WiFi 6E adapter to replace the LAN cable that's all over the floor. For me it's ideal: the distance to the router is about 3½ meters with a direct line of sight. Guess what? Wifi 6 worked, but not WiFi 6E. The reason? 6E support is only available on W11.  >:(  Since it's still too early to upgrade, I returned the device to Amazon.
I didn't know you upgraded to new 6E router. Yeah that sucks. You can always test in LiveCD Linux Mint or Linux Mint Debian edition and see if 6E is detected.
You can check with driver version to see if its latest one. I found 6E driver for Ax201 on Win 10
Ax 210 6E (https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=AX210%20)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 23, 2022, 11:43 PM
Note that I made a new version of windows 11 (v 22621- probably the soon to be released next version).
While this version is working under vmware, I was unable to capture it and reinstall it with the new progams and layout, even if the same method was used for the previous versions available in this topic. When the setup begins you get the  "windows could not display the images available for installation".
If somebody is able to give a solution, here is the faulty wim file: https://www.plustransfer.com/download.php?id=adb68f2fbbb82ac4b6a1652888448da8

Edit:
Note that I've been able to find out why this error occurred:
After analyzing the wim infos of the first and second versions of Windows 11 I noticed that the edition flag was not set, as if the wim file was corrupt (see image below). However, according the dism, the operation completed successfully. So I ckecked the log operation and found errors. Apparently it was necessary to add the /ScratchDir option to capture the image. With this option, the edition flag is now set. I don't know why option became suddenly necessary though.
Here is a page showing the problem: https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/0e114984-ef7e-4435-b294-aab7ea42f336/custom-installwim-install-problem?
(https://i.ibb.co/3rKLkSJ/editions.jpg)

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 24, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 23, 2022, 05:04 PMI didn't know you upgraded to new 6E router. Yeah that sucks. You can always test in LiveCD Linux Mint or Linux Mint Debian edition and see if 6E is detected.

I returned the WiFi adapter and went back to the LAN cable I was originally using.

Regarding experimenting with those Linux LiveCD's you mentioned, I believe I'd have to install a driver to get the adapter to work. The thing is so new that not even Windows 11 will see it unless you download and install the driver.

I didn't test that Windows 10 driver you mentioned. What I don't like is that according to the developer's screenshots, Windows 10 doesn't know what WiFi channel you're on nor does it know you're using 6E. Upgrading to this thing is nice but not really urgent.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 24, 2022, 05:25 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 24, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 23, 2022, 05:04 PMI didn't know you upgraded to new 6E router. Yeah that sucks. You can always test in LiveCD Linux Mint or Linux Mint Debian edition and see if 6E is detected.

I returned the WiFi adapter and went back to the LAN cable I was originally using.

Regarding experimenting with those Linux LiveCD's you mentioned, I believe I'd have to install a driver to get the adapter to work. The thing is so new that not even Windows 11 will see it unless you download and install the driver.

I didn't test that Windows 10 driver you mentioned. What I don't like is that according to the developer's screenshots, Windows 10 doesn't know what WiFi channel you're on nor does it know you're using 6E. Upgrading to this thing is nice but not really urgent.
Which is the Wifi adapter BTW? If its Intel/MediaTek/Realtek its usually added in linux-firmware and usually Linux installs them anyway.Qualcomm or Killer drivers are delayed unusually and are buggy even after 5-6 years.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 25, 2022, 03:14 AM
Note that the problem of the corrupt windows 11 with the message "windows could not display the images available for installation" was solved here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37603#msg37603
I'm going to try to release a new version of windows 11 soon.

Note that the  Aero Glass transparency is broken in the new version (apparently it was removed since build 22571). And openshell is not working anymore. StartAllBack is working to restore a classic start menu, however there is no option to get the XP style with the programs on the right instead of a cascading menu. I'm trying to restore this.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 25, 2022, 05:15 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 24, 2022, 05:25 PMWhich is the Wifi adapter BTW? If its Intel/MediaTek/Realtek its usually added in linux-firmware and usually Linux installs them anyway.Qualcomm or Killer drivers are delayed unusually and are buggy even after 5-6 years.

This is it (https://www.newegg.com/fenvi-fv-axe3000-pci-express/p/0XM-00JK-000A1?Description=wifi%206e%20adapter&cm_re=wifi_6e%20adapter-_-9SIADXZE416894-_-Product&quicklink=true). Windows sees it as a Realtek on Device Manager. The docs provide driver links for Windows but no instructions on how to install Linux drivers, assuming this is necessary.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 26, 2022, 05:05 AM
Quote from: scarface on May 23, 2022, 11:43 PMNote that I made a new version of windows 11 (v 22621- probably the soon to be released next version).
While this version is working under vmware, I was unable to capture it and reinstall it with the new progams and layout, even if the same method was used for the previous versions available in this topic.

Let me ask you: I keep hearing that Windows 11 will be able to run Android program and (I believe) Linux apps. Have you been able to get your copies of W11 to do this? I haven't been able to.

I'm under the impression that this requires subsystems that can be installed using Control Panel -> Programs and Features. My copy of W11 won't do that under VirtualBox. Either there's something wrong with the ISO or I inadvertently disabled it.

Also AFAIK you can't run a virtual machine inside a virtual machine. Maybe that's it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 26, 2022, 06:25 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 26, 2022, 05:05 AMLet me ask you: I keep hearing that Windows 11 will be able to run Android program and (I believe) Linux apps. Have you been able to get your copies of W11 to do this? I haven't been able to.

I haven't been able to do this either. I tried to install 2 apk apps (Le monde and Le figaro), to no avail.
I think only a few apps (available in the Microsoft store) are compatible.
It's probably a marketing operation, because there is nothing new in Windows 11 compared to Windows 10.
It was confirmed that windows 11 v22621 was the RTM, or 22H2 edition. I will release something when it's ready.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 26, 2022, 09:15 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 25, 2022, 05:15 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 24, 2022, 05:25 PMWhich is the Wifi adapter BTW? If its Intel/MediaTek/Realtek its usually added in linux-firmware and usually Linux installs them anyway.Qualcomm or Killer drivers are delayed unusually and are buggy even after 5-6 years.

This is it (https://www.newegg.com/fenvi-fv-axe3000-pci-express/p/0XM-00JK-000A1?Description=wifi%206e%20adapter&cm_re=wifi_6e%20adapter-_-9SIADXZE416894-_-Product&quicklink=true). Windows sees it as a Realtek on Device Manager. The docs provide driver links for Windows but no instructions on how to install Linux drivers, assuming this is necessary.
Never heard of Fenvi.
I found some Ax201 Intel M.2 with PCIe adapter and antenna. https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034 (https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034)
Older Ax200 Intel M.2 https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548 (https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548)
Realtek Wifi could be buggy and needs more FW or drivers.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 28, 2022, 06:30 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 26, 2022, 09:15 PMNever heard of Fenvi.
I found some Ax201 Intel M.2 with PCIe adapter and antenna. https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034 (https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034)
Older Ax200 Intel M.2 https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548 (https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548)
Realtek Wifi could be buggy and needs more FW or drivers.

The card you mentioned doesn't do 6E. What I'm trying to do is replace an ethernet cable that's on the floor protected by a cable protector. Occasionally people trip over it. My ISP is Google Fiber. My tests regularly show roughly 945 Mbps up and down consistently. Only 6E can come close. It'll probably go that fast because, as I explained, the PC is just 3½ meters from the router and there is a direct line of sight with no obstructions in between. Unfortunately getting this isn't possible at this time. It's too early to upgrade to Windows 11.

Realtek might be bad, but it's everywhere. I just checked device manager. The LAN controller on the motherboard is Realtek. The laptop WiFi 6 adapter I just returned was Realtek. So far every network adapter I've had, regardless of brand, uses a Realtek chipset. I'll bet you money that the WiFi adapter shown in your link has one too. They're like flies or roaches -- they're everywhere.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 28, 2022, 09:02 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 28, 2022, 06:30 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 26, 2022, 09:15 PMNever heard of Fenvi.
I found some Ax201 Intel M.2 with PCIe adapter and antenna. https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034 (https://www.newegg.com/edup-ep-ax210gs-pci-express/p/0XM-01CT-00034)
Older Ax200 Intel M.2 https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548 (https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-011Z-00004?Item=9SIAE6ZB8E1548)
Realtek Wifi could be buggy and needs more FW or drivers.

The card you mentioned doesn't do 6E. What I'm trying to do is replace an ethernet cable that's on the floor protected by a cable protector. Occasionally people trip over it. My ISP is Google Fiber. My tests regularly show roughly 945 Mbps up and down consistently. Only 6E can come close. It'll probably go that fast because, as I explained, the PC is just 3½ meters from the router and there is a direct line of sight with no obstructions in between. Unfortunately getting this isn't possible at this time. It's too early to upgrade to Windows 11.

Realtek might be bad, but it's everywhere. I just checked device manager. The LAN controller on the motherboard is Realtek. The laptop WiFi 6 adapter I just returned was Realtek. So far every network adapter I've had, regardless of brand, uses a Realtek chipset. I'll bet you money that the WiFi adapter shown in your link has one too. They're like flies or roaches -- they're everywhere.


The first link had a typo, its ax210 instead of ax201 which actually supports 6E standard. I'll link a comparison of Intel's Wifi cards including Killer branding (Ax210,Ax211 and Ax411) Compare Intel Wifi 6E cards (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=217241,211486,217242,204837,204836)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 29, 2022, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 28, 2022, 09:02 PMThe first link had a typo, its ax210 instead of ax201 which actually supports 6E standard. I'll link a comparison of Intel's Wifi cards including Killer branding (Ax210,Ax211 and Ax411) Compare Intel Wifi 6E cards (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=217241,211486,217242,204837,204836)

I was looking at your link. The only differences I'm seeing is that the last 2 support "Double Connect" and the 3rd and 4th aren't supported under "Intel vPro Technology". Either way you can't get 6E unless you have Win11. I don't think Intel has a driver that allows Win10 to run 6E. It does have Win10 drivers, but all you get is Wifi 6. I've got to keep the cable until there's a fix or I eventually upgrade to Win11 as we all will.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 29, 2022, 03:42 PM
Note that the new version of Windows 11 (22h2) is available here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
This is a modified version of windows 11 build 22621 found on https://uupdump.net/

As you can see there are 2 start menus. A classic start menu was restored, but the original in the middle didn't disappear.

(https://i.ibb.co/ykTJVTZ/win11.jpg)


It has been difficult to do this version since there were major changes since the 1st edition of windows 11, at least during the installation process, and it has been particularly annoying.

At first it was impossible to capture the image and I had to add the cmd /Scratchdir, otherwise the image was corrupt (https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/0e114984-ef7e-4435-b294-aab7ea42f336/custom-installwim-install-problem)

Then I had a problem since there was a bug during oobe. Incredibly enough, it wasn't possible to create a pin as requested since the window was hidden (It was possible to see the window with Alt-tab, but it was staying in the background!). After a reboot I was finally able to start oobe again and maximize this window and create the pin.
Apparently it was already present in previous versions, but since I always create an offline account, I never had to deal with it. This bug is described here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/382050/windows-hello-for-business-login-pin-screen-behind.html

So I tried to create an offline account to skip the pin creation...But it's not possible any longer. Indeed, Windows 11 22H2 apparently removes the option to set up the device with a local account even when your installation edition is Windows 11 Pro. So if you have no internet connection, you can't install Windows...
But I found a workaround with the command OOBE\BYPASSNRO
So if you want to install windows 11 22h2 with an offline account (and also bypass the pin setup), you can use the following tutorial which is pretty simple.
https://pureinfotech.com/bypass-internet-connection-install-windows-11/

In my opinion with the current setup I wouldn't be surprised if windows 11 ended up as a commercial failure.
The installation has become way too hard and you can't access certain settings easily (in this version windows defender is activated since it hasn't been possible to disable it, at least without deactivating other services).

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on May 31, 2022, 04:44 AM
What difference is there between the modified and non-modified versions? Is that the non-modified version only runs on newer hardware and requires TPM and secure boot? Did you check and see if you can install "Windows Subsystem for Android" so you can run Android apps with needing an emulator?

Personally I have no issue with newer hardware or TPM. I do have a major issue with secure boot. For example, if Win11 has a major issue and won't boot, how do you boot from a flashdrive to either restore a backup or run one of the many program to fix issues? So far I have no clear-cut answer to this problem.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on May 31, 2022, 05:19 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 29, 2022, 05:34 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on May 28, 2022, 09:02 PMThe first link had a typo, its ax210 instead of ax201 which actually supports 6E standard. I'll link a comparison of Intel's Wifi cards including Killer branding (Ax210,Ax211 and Ax411) Compare Intel Wifi 6E cards (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=217241,211486,217242,204837,204836)

I was looking at your link. The only differences I'm seeing is that the last 2 support "Double Connect" and the 3rd and 4th aren't supported under "Intel vPro Technology". Either way you can't get 6E unless you have Win11. I don't think Intel has a driver that allows Win10 to run 6E. It does have Win10 drivers, but all you get is Wifi 6. I've got to keep the cable until there's a fix or I eventually upgrade to Win11 as we all will.
I missed the windows update driver catalog which i added and it seems it was not saved. https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=ax211 (https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=ax211)
The first result should work as its compatible with Win 1809 to W11. Its good to have Ethernet like WiFi speeds and ditching cables is a good option when you run around and trip over loads of wires.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on May 31, 2022, 09:47 PM
Quote from: humbert on May 31, 2022, 04:44 AMWhat difference is there between the modified and non-modified versions? Is that the non-modified version only runs on newer hardware and requires TPM and secure boot? Did you check and see if you can install "Windows Subsystem for Android" so you can run Android apps with needing an emulator?

Personally I have no issue with newer hardware or TPM. I do have a major issue with secure boot. For example, if Win11 has a major issue and won't boot, how do you boot from a flashdrive to either restore a backup or run one of the many program to fix issues? So far I have no clear-cut answer to this problem.
The non-modified version only runs on newer hardware and requires TPM and secure boot indeed. this version doesn't need TPM 2 and secure boot enabled. What's more, it's modified as you can see on the screenshot. Many programs were added (the same programs and reg tweaks are available in windows 10 and 7, however in windows 11 a few more tweaks were added to get back the classic right-click context menu and a start menu since the new graphic design is rotten for long time users).
You can find modified versions elsewhere like Phoenix Liteos, however I don't trust those Lite editions since many services are disabled. They can't be updated and they are not always reliable.
I didn't check if android apps could be installed.
If you are not sure whether you can install it or not, I advise you to test it in a virtual machine first. You should have another device to install a previous version or a spare hard-drive disk with an already installed operating system too.
For the moment, I think that the benefits of windows 11 over the previous editions are shabby. If your current system is working, maybe you should keep it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on June 04, 2022, 10:18 PM
Note that a new windows 11 edition will be available on the 13th of June.
In the next edition there will be a bigger start button:

(https://i.ibb.co/QQP0SfH/win11.jpg)

It might be useful if you are afflicted with poor eyesight. Actually, the size of the button was adjusted because a click below or above the previous button didn't open the start menu, and it was a bit annoying (A click above and nothing happened and below it was opening the weather widgets). What's more the weather widgets are disabled in the next version (via the integration of a hkcu reg keys). Sometimes they were interfering with the restored classic start menu (with the big icon it was probably not the case any more). They can be enabled again though the taskbar settings though.



Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 05, 2022, 05:44 AM
Quote from: scarface on June 04, 2022, 10:18 PMNote that a new windows 11 edition will be available on the 13th of June.
In the next edition there will be a bigger start button:

All you keep hearing are these wonderful things Win11 can do compared to Win10. Despite this, in every forum I've read I've yet to see a single person saying something postitive about Win11. Everybody hates it.

Your release and all other should be for testing purposes only. It's far too early to upgrade from Win10.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 05, 2022, 08:08 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 05, 2022, 05:44 AM
Quote from: scarface on June 04, 2022, 10:18 PMNote that a new windows 11 edition will be available on the 13th of June.
In the next edition there will be a bigger start button:

All you keep hearing are these wonderful things Win11 can do compared to Win10. Despite this, in every forum I've read I've yet to see a single person saying something postitive about Win11. Everybody hates it.

Your release and all other should be for testing purposes only. It's far too early to upgrade from Win10.
90% of them upgraded due to clickbait and EoL fear from Win 10 to W11. Then again market share of W11  hasn't grown yet.
Scarface I think its better to do quarterly releases of W11 since the W11 users are a minority and majority of users use W10 anyway!
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 06, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 05, 2022, 08:08 PM90% of them upgraded due to clickbait and EoL fear from Win 10 to W11. Then again market share of W11  hasn't grown yet.
Scarface I think its better to do quarterly releases of W11 since the W11 users are a minority and majority of users use W10 anyway!

The problem with Win11 is it's NOT FINISHED. Notice that all these wonderful things they talk about (support for Alder Lake, Android subsystem, and now ability to forward graphic data directly to the GPU) are all in the talking stages and/or scheduled for future releases. Notice that very few developers are writing Win11-specific hacks and configuration utilities. There is (for example) no Windows 11 Privacy program - at least not yet. And of course Win10 works very well and satisfies almost everyone's needs. This is especially true when tons of people have "unsupported" hardware that does everything they want it to do and don't really need to upgrade. I say give it at least another year before full-fledged adoption begins, if not more.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 07, 2022, 09:41 PM
Quote from: humbert on June 06, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 05, 2022, 08:08 PM90% of them upgraded due to clickbait and EoL fear from Win 10 to W11. Then again market share of W11  hasn't grown yet.
Scarface I think its better to do quarterly releases of W11 since the W11 users are a minority and majority of users use W10 anyway!

The problem with Win11 is it's NOT FINISHED. Notice that all these wonderful things they talk about (support for Alder Lake, Android subsystem, and now ability to forward graphic data directly to the GPU) are all in the talking stages and/or scheduled for future releases. Notice that very few developers are writing Win11-specific hacks and configuration utilities. There is (for example) no Windows 11 Privacy program - at least not yet. And of course Win10 works very well and satisfies almost everyone's needs. This is especially true when tons of people have "unsupported" hardware that does everything they want it to do and don't really need to upgrade. I say give it at least another year before full-fledged adoption begins, if not more.
Maybe 2-3 years until everything is polished just like Win 10.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Guliver on June 07, 2022, 10:15 PM
Since this was the number 1 reason for me to join this forum, I want to thank scarface for still making builds of Windows 7. I know it is entirely up to you if you continue making those or drop W7 already, but I am interested in seeing further builds from you. Thank you :) Oh and just to be sure, your builds do include the updates from the ESU program, correct?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on June 08, 2022, 12:52 AM
Quote from: Guliver on June 07, 2022, 10:15 PMSince this was the number 1 reason for me to join this forum, I want to thank scarface for still making builds of Windows 7. I know it is entirely up to you if you continue making those or drop W7 already, but I am interested in seeing further builds from you. Thank you :) Oh and just to be sure, your builds do include the updates from the ESU program, correct?
Hi Guliver.
The window 7 version includes the ESU, indeed.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 08, 2022, 04:06 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on June 07, 2022, 09:41 PMMaybe 2-3 years until everything is polished just like Win 10.

I agree! Micro$haft loves to release stuff as early as possible and then force to essentially beta test their stuff.

As long as few people have any interest in Win11, nobody is going to sit down and write hacks. As time goes on Win11 will change and change again. The hacks they write today might not even work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Guliver on June 08, 2022, 11:04 PM
Quote from: scarface on June 08, 2022, 12:52 AMHi Guliver.
The window 7 version includes the ESU, indeed.

Awesome, thank you.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on June 16, 2022, 08:29 AM
Note that new versions of Window 11 and Windows 7 with the latest updates are available here:
https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
For the meantime Windows 10 will not be updated.
(https://i.ibb.co/m61vSjq/win11.png)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Guliver on June 17, 2022, 12:42 AM
Thank you, Scarface :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 12, 2022, 04:45 AM
Are there any Windows 11 utilities out there? All I found is Yamic W11 Manager, and it's very incomplete when compared to the W10 version. No Windows11 Privacy or anything similar yet.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on July 13, 2022, 06:20 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 12, 2022, 04:45 AMAre there any Windows 11 utilities out there? All I found is Yamic W11 Manager, and it's very incomplete when compared to the W10 version. No Windows11 Privacy or anything similar yet.
Download Privatezilla (https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla) or LoveWin11Again (https://github.com/builtbybel/LoveWindowsAgain)
I stopped using Yamicsoft products long time ago once I moved to Win 10.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 14, 2022, 05:41 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on July 13, 2022, 06:20 PMDownload Privatezilla (https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla) or LoveWin11Again (https://github.com/builtbybel/LoveWindowsAgain)
I stopped using Yamicsoft products long time ago once I moved to Win 10.

Thanks for the tip. You're the man!  :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on July 14, 2022, 07:52 PM
Quote from: humbert on July 14, 2022, 05:41 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on July 13, 2022, 06:20 PMDownload Privatezilla (https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla) or LoveWin11Again (https://github.com/builtbybel/LoveWindowsAgain)
I stopped using Yamicsoft products long time ago once I moved to Win 10.

Thanks for the tip. You're the man!  :)
You're welcome. The above works on win 10 and 11 w/o any issue and are simple to use.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 10, 2022, 05:15 AM
I've probably asked you this before. Who is still actually using Windows 7? AFAIK any computer than can run Win7 can run Win10 -- and probably Win11 with those stupid restrictions removed.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on August 10, 2022, 09:37 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 10, 2022, 05:15 AMI've probably asked you this before. Who is still actually using Windows 7? AFAIK any computer than can run Win7 can run Win10 -- and probably Win11 with those stupid restrictions removed.
You're probably right. Only Guliver expressed interest recently. Since windows 10 and 7 are ready they will be available soon on the forum. Windows 11 will be available later.
As for windows xp, it's still available here but it will be removed soon: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
If you need it download it quickly.
Since Maher stopped maintaing links for xp and 7 a while back, I decided to maintain those old versions but they have become obsolete indeed. Note that I may go back to windows 10 soon, I can't stand windows 11 anymore. I couldn't solve the sound lag (it seems this audio bug is affecting a lot of users with realtek hardware). In my opinion, this OS will be a failure like Vista.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Guliver on August 10, 2022, 10:45 PM
Hello hello, you are right, Scarface :) I am still interested in your Windows 7 builds. I do have Windows 10 installed on a secondary partition but I dislike it so much that occasions when I boot it up are extremely rare. In fact, since you mentioned it, I still make use of XP as well, even though in a VM only. I am aware I will have to abandon Win7 at some point, but I am determined to put that off for as long as I reasonably can. So thank you for making that possible Scarface :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 11, 2022, 05:40 AM
Quote from: Guliver on August 10, 2022, 10:45 PMHello hello, you are right, Scarface :) I am still interested in your Windows 7 builds. I do have Windows 10 installed on a secondary partition but I dislike it so much that occasions when I boot it up are extremely rare. In fact, since you mentioned it, I still make use of XP as well, even though in a VM only. I am aware I will have to abandon Win7 at some point, but I am determined to put that off for as long as I reasonably can. So thank you for making that possible Scarface :)

As I see it, the problem with old operating systems is not that they're bad, it's lack of support. If you're running a relatively old system then Win7 will work fine. But if you upgrade to an Intel i9 or a AMD Ryzen, forget about anything under Win10. In fact, if I upgraded right now to the very latest hardware, I know I'd have to forcibly run Win11 for the same reason.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 19, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 28, 2022, 06:30 AMThe card you mentioned doesn't do 6E. What I'm trying to do is replace an ethernet cable that's on the floor protected by a cable protector. Occasionally people trip over it. My ISP is Google Fiber. My tests regularly show roughly 945 Mbps up and down consistently. Only 6E can come close. It'll probably go that fast because, as I explained, the PC is just 3½ meters from the router and there is a direct line of sight with no obstructions in between.

My assumption that a WiFi 6E device located in a straight line close to the router will result in close to gigabit internet is incorrect. I bought a Google Pixel 6 for my lady. On my router, the 6 GhZ WiFi 6E network has a separate SSID from the regular WiFi 6 (2.4/5 gHz) network. I connected the phone to the 6E network only. As expected, the signal doesn't go very far. When you're in the other room with a few walls in the middle, the signal strength is poor. Compare this with good to fair when on the WiFi 6 network. I then decided to sit next to the router and conducted speedtests on both networks. There was no noticeable difference in speeds.

Not only is WiFi 6E not really worth it, but if you want Gigabit speeds you must go with wired ethernet - no ifs, ands or buts.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on August 23, 2022, 09:24 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 19, 2022, 04:33 AM
Quote from: humbert on May 28, 2022, 06:30 AMThe card you mentioned doesn't do 6E. What I'm trying to do is replace an ethernet cable that's on the floor protected by a cable protector. Occasionally people trip over it. My ISP is Google Fiber. My tests regularly show roughly 945 Mbps up and down consistently. Only 6E can come close. It'll probably go that fast because, as I explained, the PC is just 3½ meters from the router and there is a direct line of sight with no obstructions in between.

My assumption that a WiFi 6E device located in a straight line close to the router will result in close to gigabit internet is incorrect. I bought a Google Pixel 6 for my lady. On my router, the 6 GhZ WiFi 6E network has a separate SSID from the regular WiFi 6 (2.4/5 gHz) network. I connected the phone to the 6E network only. As expected, the signal doesn't go very far. When you're in the other room with a few walls in the middle, the signal strength is poor. Compare this with good to fair when on the WiFi 6 network. I then decided to sit next to the router and conducted speedtests on both networks. There was no noticeable difference in speeds.

Not only is WiFi 6E not really worth it, but if you want Gigabit speeds you must go with wired ethernet - no ifs, ands or buts.
Indeed. Even with high end router wall interference cannot be overruled. You can mitigate with extenders all over the house but then again its too expensive to maintain.
How is the signal/coverage on LTE/5G(NSA mmW/SA non mmW) on Pixel 6?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 25, 2022, 04:49 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 23, 2022, 09:24 PMIndeed. Even with high end router wall interference cannot be overruled. You can mitigate with extenders all over the house but then again its too expensive to maintain.

Definitely the best way to take advantage of 6E is to run a mesh system with as many satellites as you can afford. Mesh systems are expensive but they're slowly becoming more affordable. I believe I read somewhere some routers manufacturers are increasing the power on the 6E network to improve coverage. Even with all this, you still can't ignore the laws of physics. As I said, even 2-3 meters from the router I'm not seeing that 6 gHz is significantly faster than 5 gHz. Naturally both are much faster than 2.4 gHz. Let me run a few more tests and see what happens.

Quote from: Vasudev on August 23, 2022, 09:24 PMHow is the signal/coverage on LTE/5G(NSA mmW/SA non mmW) on Pixel 6?

The phone shows 5G UC when connected to a tower that supports it. UC stand for "Ultimate Capacity" (on T-Mobile), and basically it means the tower supports midband and highband, including MM waves. My old Oneplus 8 supports 5G but only on the low band frequencies (no UC). There is a noticeable difference. When near a UC tower the Pixel's download speed can easily exceed 500 Mbps both up and down. My old Oneplus barely goes over 50 Mpbs on the same tower at the same distance.

I'm planning to upgrade to a Pixel 7 when it comes out in October.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on August 25, 2022, 09:54 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 25, 2022, 04:49 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 23, 2022, 09:24 PMIndeed. Even with high end router wall interference cannot be overruled. You can mitigate with extenders all over the house but then again its too expensive to maintain.

Definitely the best way to take advantage of 6E is to run a mesh system with as many satellites as you can afford. Mesh systems are expensive but they're slowly becoming more affordable. I believe I read somewhere some routers manufacturers are increasing the power on the 6E network to improve coverage. Even with all this, you still can't ignore the laws of physics. As I said, even 2-3 meters from the router I'm not seeing that 6 gHz is significantly faster than 5 gHz. Naturally both are much faster than 2.4 gHz. Let me run a few more tests and see what happens.

Quote from: Vasudev on August 23, 2022, 09:24 PMHow is the signal/coverage on LTE/5G(NSA mmW/SA non mmW) on Pixel 6?

The phone shows 5G UC when connected to a tower that supports it. UC stand for "Ultimate Capacity" (on T-Mobile), and basically it means the tower supports midband and highband, including MM waves. My old Oneplus 8 supports 5G but only on the low band frequencies (no UC). There is a noticeable difference. When near a UC tower the Pixel's download speed can easily exceed 500 Mbps both up and down. My old Oneplus barely goes over 50 Mpbs on the same tower at the same distance.

I'm planning to upgrade to a Pixel 7 when it comes out in October.
Nice to hear your 5G speed is very good on TMO. I had to call up my carrier to enable LTE CA which pushed my download speed past 100Mbps and 50Mbps upload but they reverted it to 50-60Mbps for no reason.
I might upgrade to Pixel 7 or 7a if any of them are available in India. Wanted to know if network on tensor modem was worse than snapdragon.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 26, 2022, 06:06 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 25, 2022, 09:54 PMNice to hear your 5G speed is very good on TMO. I had to call up my carrier to enable LTE CA which pushed my download speed past 100Mbps and 50Mbps upload but they reverted it to 50-60Mbps for no reason.
I might upgrade to Pixel 7 or 7a if any of them are available in India. Wanted to know if network on tensor modem was worse than snapdragon.

Is LTE CA some sort of LTE using higher frequencies? Is there no 5G in India just yet?

I honestly don't think Tensor is better than Snapdragon, or vice versa. I'm not seeing any difference. Then again I haven't run heavy benchmark tests either. Even if I did I'd have to run a test with something a little better than the Oneplus 8 and its Snapdragon's 855
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 01, 2022, 09:08 PM
Quote from: humbert on August 26, 2022, 06:06 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on August 25, 2022, 09:54 PMNice to hear your 5G speed is very good on TMO. I had to call up my carrier to enable LTE CA which pushed my download speed past 100Mbps and 50Mbps upload but they reverted it to 50-60Mbps for no reason.
I might upgrade to Pixel 7 or 7a if any of them are available in India. Wanted to know if network on tensor modem was worse than snapdragon.

Is LTE CA some sort of LTE using higher frequencies? Is there no 5G in India just yet?

I honestly don't think Tensor is better than Snapdragon, or vice versa. I'm not seeing any difference. Then again I haven't run heavy benchmark tests either. Even if I did I'd have to run a test with something a little better than the Oneplus 8 and its Snapdragon's 855
It will combine multiple frequency or bands to net you better Download/Upload. With 2CA I was able to hit 100Mbps down and 50-75Mbps uploads. Actually mine supports upto 4CA so theoretical limit should be closer to 600-700Mbps on good signal.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 02, 2022, 05:05 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on September 01, 2022, 09:08 PMIt will combine multiple frequency or bands to net you better Download/Upload. With 2CA I was able to hit 100Mbps down and 50-75Mbps uploads. Actually mine supports upto 4CA so theoretical limit should be closer to 600-700Mbps on good signal.

I'm thinking LTE CS is 5G by another name or some upgraded version, maybe using some other frequencies. 5G is designed precisely to combine multiple bands to improve data transfer. Do 2CA and 4CA refer to different frequencies available to you or what?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on September 03, 2022, 12:32 AM
Note that new versions of windows 7,10 and 11 will be released on September the 13th. I will add the program universal extractor (which is useful to extract msi files without using command prompts).
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 04, 2022, 08:32 PM
Quote from: humbert on September 02, 2022, 05:05 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on September 01, 2022, 09:08 PMIt will combine multiple frequency or bands to net you better Download/Upload. With 2CA I was able to hit 100Mbps down and 50-75Mbps uploads. Actually mine supports upto 4CA so theoretical limit should be closer to 600-700Mbps on good signal.

I'm thinking LTE CS is 5G by another name or some upgraded version, maybe using some other frequencies. 5G is designed precisely to combine multiple bands to improve data transfer. Do 2CA and 4CA refer to different frequencies available to you or what?
Carrier Aggregation was present before 5G. 2,4 and 6CA improve a lot and bring 4G closer to wired optic fiber like speeds on the go. There is a battery hit though but unlike 5G it won't be a lot since LTE is mature enough and most chipsets can handle that.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on September 15, 2022, 09:42 AM
New versions of Windows 7, 10 and 11 are finally available here for the users of the forum: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=14153.msg37204#msg37204
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on September 15, 2022, 07:07 PM
I know that humbert, Vasudev and Guliver were eagerly waiting for these new versions (link in the previous message). I did not test them, so notify me in the event of a problem.