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Title: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 16, 2021, 07:13 PM
As Windows 11 is confirmed to be a legit leak by many sources, and early builds already leaked to the public.

Do you see a reason to upgrade?
Do you like the visual changes?


Personally, I think it looks really good. My early understanding is that they are trying to actually tie things up with the integration to other devices, and make it a proper 'gaming' OS as well.
You can move the task bar to the furthest left as it's always been.

https://hexus.net/tech/news/software/147965-windows-11-leaks-iso-image-videos-screenshots-sounds/
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 16, 2021, 08:48 PM
As Windows 11 is confirmed to be a legit leak by many sources, and early builds already leaked to the public.

I read about it yesterday. The release date is June 24th. Naturally M$ always "leaks" it to the public so everyone get a feel of it before the release date. They've been using this strategy since time immemorial and it works.

I saw some cosmetic changes and a few more [probably unnecessary] bells and whistles. I don't think it's anything out of this world.

With respect to me upgrading, I'll wait for Vasudev to work his magic and produce a working copy of Windows 11. Relax and be patient, I'm in no hurry.  :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 22, 2021, 09:25 AM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 22, 2021, 09:21 PM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.

I'm in no hurry. I'll only install a working and texted copy coming from a trusted source like you.

Ever since I installed 21H1, Control Panels opens but there are no items in it. I tried enabling and disabling the proper settings on Group Policy Editor. I've also re-registered all DLL files in C:\Windows\System. The problem doesn't go away. The weird thing is that on my laptop was also upgraded to 21H1, Control Panel works perfectly. I'm not finding anything on Google. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 24, 2021, 09:00 AM
I don't think Win 11 is ready for prime-time and its only a preview version.
Before 21H1 Win 10 is EOL I will release new W11 alongside scarface.

I'm in no hurry. I'll only install a working and texted copy coming from a trusted source like you.

Ever since I installed 21H1, Control Panels opens but there are no items in it. I tried enabling and disabling the proper settings on Group Policy Editor. I've also re-registered all DLL files in C:\Windows\System. The problem doesn't go away. The weird thing is that on my laptop was also upgraded to 21H1, Control Panel works perfectly. I'm not finding anything on Google. Any ideas?

I would try the classic (in cmd):
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-files-79aa86cb-ca52-166a-92a3-966e85d4094e

At work, those commands do magic.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 24, 2021, 08:42 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 25, 2021, 02:02 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Is there any image hijackers or apps that gives shortcut to control panel items?
For Win 7 I always use scarface's build since its much better and has lower size. Mine usually crosses 8GB and FAT32 USB drive won't boot in UEFI mode. After Ventoy was released ISO size became a thing of the past but some people use Rufus and 8GB ISO for Win 7 is nightmare on some older machines with slower USB 2.0 and HDD 5400rpm.
Win 11 will kill support for my old laptop since TPM 2.0 is unavailable on Ivybridge laptop. I think they are supported only modern CPUs Skylake, Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 25, 2021, 05:16 PM
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth
and (in cmd)
sfc /scannow

The DISM command reported no anomalies. sfc /scannow found some corrupt files and fixed them. When opening control panel I still see an empty box with no icons in it. We all know this is some setting somewhere, the problem is finding it.
Oh well... the search continues.
Is there any image hijackers or apps that gives shortcut to control panel items?
For Win 7 I always use scarface's build since its much better and has lower size. Mine usually crosses 8GB and FAT32 USB drive won't boot in UEFI mode. After Ventoy was released ISO size became a thing of the past but some people use Rufus and 8GB ISO for Win 7 is nightmare on some older machines with slower USB 2.0 and HDD 5400rpm.
Win 11 will kill support for my old laptop since TPM 2.0 is unavailable on Ivybridge laptop. I think they are supported only modern CPUs Skylake, Ryzen and Qualcomm Snapdragon.

If you mean this, yes
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search

You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 25, 2021, 10:09 PM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 26, 2021, 08:41 AM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on June 26, 2021, 09:12 PM
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

I had to reinstall. Not a clean install, I set it to keep my files. It solved the problem. The strange thing was that since I had Windows Defender disabled, this thing took Emsisoft EEK and actually turned it into another Windows Defender. I had to uninstall and put back the portable one that has to be run on demand. The reason was it was constantly giving me false positives and interfering with any attempt to stop telemetry. That why I hate Windows Defender.

BTW, to uninstall I found a little goodie called HiBit Uninstaller. It's the best uninstaller I've ever seen and, best of all, it's total freeware. Check it out.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.

I bet sooner or later all these bugs will be squashed. One thing I do like: there will be NO 32-bit release of Windows 11. It is all 64. Finally! This change is long overdue. Somewhere I heard that there are some distros of Linux who are doing the very same thing. How long has it been since anyone made a 32 bit CPU?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on June 27, 2021, 12:20 AM
https://community.windows.com/en-us/conversations/godmode-shortcut-east-access-to-all-windows-settings/ca66bf1c-66a6-4380-9513-3eb7068e912b?from=search
You can also find links to specific items in the control panel thru some googling. The links to them are created the same way as in this tutorial

Yes, of course. The Godmode shortcut. I forgot all about it. It's OK. I noticed that there somehow there were quite a few .cpl files missing in the Windows/System32 folder. I decided to reinstall 21H2 keeping my files and that appeared to fix the problem. Somehow some important files and setting got deleted. The reinstall brought them all back.

It's a good idea to run sfc /scannow every few days. It always seems to find some corrupt files.
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.
I wouldn't worry :) If it runs on 2000 ryzen someone will surely find a way to make it run on 1000 ryzen
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on June 28, 2021, 12:53 PM
Yes shadow97 and humbert sometimes those .cpl shortcuts cause issues.
Check SSD health or run chkdsk /f /x c: Files missing isn't a good sign.

I had to reinstall. Not a clean install, I set it to keep my files. It solved the problem. The strange thing was that since I had Windows Defender disabled, this thing took Emsisoft EEK and actually turned it into another Windows Defender. I had to uninstall and put back the portable one that has to be run on demand. The reason was it was constantly giving me false positives and interfering with any attempt to stop telemetry. That why I hate Windows Defender.

BTW, to uninstall I found a little goodie called HiBit Uninstaller. It's the best uninstaller I've ever seen and, best of all, it's total freeware. Check it out.

EDIT: Looks like Win 11 will not run on skylake/kabylake and also first gen Ryzen CPUs. So I don't think I will be able to release custom Win 11 ISOs but will continue with Win 10 ISO.

I bet sooner or later all these bugs will be squashed. One thing I do like: there will be NO 32-bit release of Windows 11. It is all 64. Finally! This change is long overdue. Somewhere I heard that there are some distros of Linux who are doing the very same thing. How long has it been since anyone made a 32 bit CPU?
I do use hibit nowadays. Except their reg cleaner all features are great! For registry I prefer Wise products.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 02, 2021, 08:55 PM
Another problem with Windows 11 is Micro$haft's insistence of TPM 2.0 and (I believe) secure boot. Maybe I can live with TPM 2.0 assuming my board supports it. What I don't like is secure boot. I frequently boot from flashdrives to load Sergei Strelec's ISO plus a bunch of others according to need. As far as I know secure boot makes this impossible. I'd like to ask Micro$shaft what do I do if Windows won't boot and the only way to fix it is to boot Strelec to either attempt to fix it or do a full restore from backup.

BTW I'm thinking I might have to upgrade my laptop when Windows 11 goes full tilt. Hopefully it will not have Windows Home on it. You're forced to use a Microsoft account, which I hate to do.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 03, 2021, 06:53 AM
Another problem with Windows 11 is Micro$haft's insistence of TPM 2.0 and (I believe) secure boot. Maybe I can live with TPM 2.0 assuming my board supports it. What I don't like is secure boot. I frequently boot from flashdrives to load Sergei Strelec's ISO plus a bunch of others according to need. As far as I know secure boot makes this impossible. I'd like to ask Micro$shaft what do I do if Windows won't boot and the only way to fix it is to boot Strelec to either attempt to fix it or do a full restore from backup.

BTW I'm thinking I might have to upgrade my laptop when Windows 11 goes full tilt. Hopefully it will not have Windows Home on it. You're forced to use a Microsoft account, which I hate to do.
On my computer this secure boot is disabled since it won't let you install a modified version of windows 10 (which is the case for the version here: https://www.nomaher.com/forum/index.php?topic=3350.msg36418#msg36418). For the moment, I don't see windows 11 as a necessary update anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 03, 2021, 01:41 PM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 03, 2021, 08:58 PM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.

Awesome! I'll check it out on Virtualbox. Were you able to remove TPM and/or secure boot?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 04, 2021, 01:26 AM
Note that I'm preparing a surprise for humbert, Vasudev and the users of the forum. A lite windows 11 with many tweaks, will be available for download soon. It is being prepared.

Awesome! I'll check it out on Virtualbox. Were you able to remove TPM and/or secure boot?
No.
Note that it was only tested under Vmware workstation v12.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 04, 2021, 01:30 AM
Tonight, Windows 11 x64 pro v21996 is available on  forum.


It contains basically the same content as in the version of Windows 10 availabe on the forum: many reg tweaks, netfx 3.5, netfx 4.8, dx9 and 12 and many more programs like the latest releases of vlc, firefox, handbrake, cdisplay, Sumatra, 7zip 19.00, winrar 6.00, Treesize free, Visual C++ Redist, the game "Mastermind" and Ultraiso (full version), Subtitles Edit v3.6.1.0...
Fx sound enhancer v13.028 was added (full version).
New programs installed silently: mediacoder 0.8.61 (modified edition), Psychopinball (by Fuj), Smartcopy, Grand dictionnaire Hachette Oxford, Remove empty directories, WiseDuplicatefinder, Ant renamer, Pinball, LameXP, Belatout, Easeus Partition Master 13.8.
HDD programs: HDD low level format, HD tune pro.
Nothing was deleted in winsxs and to obtain such a size, install.wim was converted into esd.

Windows defender is disabled by default but can be re-enabled again via gpedit.msc.
This version is activated.
Unlike Windows 10, no drivers were integrated.
A classic version of the start menu was restored.

Size: 3.52 Gb
Link: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w


(https://i.ibb.co/XVTBRtW/win11.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vwM2Tcb/baboon2.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on July 04, 2021, 09:57 PM
Tonight, Windows 11 x64 pro v21996 is available on  forum.


It contains basically the same content as in the version of Windows 10 availabe on the forum: many reg tweaks, netfx 3.5, netfx 4.8, dx9 and 12 and many more programs like the latest releases of vlc, firefox, handbrake, cdisplay, Sumatra, 7zip 19.00, winrar 6.00, Treesize free, Visual C++ Redist, the game "Mastermind" and Ultraiso (full version), Subtitles Edit v3.6.1.0...
Fx sound enhancer v13.028 was added (full version).
New programs installed silently: mediacoder 0.8.61 (modified edition), Psychopinball (by Fuj), Smartcopy, Grand dictionnaire Hachette Oxford, Remove empty directories, WiseDuplicatefinder, Ant renamer, Pinball, LameXP, Belatout, Easeus Partition Master 13.8.
HDD programs: HDD low level format, HD tune pro.
Nothing was deleted in winsxs and to obtain such a size, install.wim was converted into esd.

Windows defender is disabled by default but can be re-enabled again via gpedit.msc.
This version is activated.
Unlike Windows 10, no drivers were integrated.
A classic version of the start menu was restored.

Size: 3.52 Gb
Link: https://mega.nz/file/pYlkUKwY#G7HguN2thUdW2fgwIRtcKGqdFn_Uy_PWPrxyQcRo6Ac


(https://i.ibb.co/XVTBRtW/win11.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vwM2Tcb/baboon2.jpg)

Is this based on the insider version or leaked?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 04, 2021, 10:29 PM
Scarface ->  Does the version of Windows 11 you posted nag you about TPM or did you somehow disable that? Also, all those other programs you mentioned that are on there. Did you put them there or did they come with the OS? I'm asking because I know Micro$haft loves to preload all kinds of unnecessary garbage on their OS'. Naturally they get paid by the vermin who develop this unwanted garbage.

I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.

I have had far, far more problems with these "security" protocols than whatever they're trying to protect me from.

With respect to your comment about Windows 11 not being really needed, you're correct. Remember, however, that if history has taught us anything it's that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life. Ask those die-hard XP lovers, not to even mention those who were addicted to MS-Dos.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 02:36 AM
Is this based on the insider version or leaked?
I think It's a leaked version. Allegedly, it can be considered as a RTM version because the core of the OS is complete.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 02:48 AM
Scarface ->  Does the version of Windows 11 you posted nag you about TPM or did you somehow disable that? Also, all those other programs you mentioned that are on there. Did you put them there or did they come with the OS? I'm asking because I know Micro$haft loves to preload all kinds of unnecessary garbage on their OS'. Naturally they get paid by the vermin who develop this unwanted garbage.

I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.

I have had far, far more problems with these "security" protocols than whatever they're trying to protect me from.

With respect to your comment about Windows 11 not being really needed, you're correct. Remember, however, that if history has taught us anything it's that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life. Ask those die-hard XP lovers, not to even mention those who were addicted to MS-Dos.
Under vmware, I had no problem whatsoever. However there is no secure boot in the bios of Vmware v12 since it's an old version. I didn't have to do anything about this TPM either, but my computer is probably compatible. It can be bypassed anyway: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/how-to-bypass-the-windows-11-tpm-20-requirement/
If you want to check if your computer is compatible, you can use this: https://www.techspot.com/downloads/7416-windows-11-compatibility-tool.html
Mine is not compatible because it says the PC must support secure boot. I use legacy boot because in order to boot a modified version of windows it is required. Therefore if secure boot is needed for this version, I'm not sure this version can be installed, I'll try this on vmware 16.
Of course the programs did not come with the OS, but you can still delete the $OEM$ folder (roughly 400mb saved) if you don't want them. Some programs were installed via sysprep and are included in the esd image, essentially the small ones like winrar or 7zip...
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 05, 2021, 06:34 AM
I'm not too clear about what TPM actually does or if it somehow interferes with what you. Secure boot is a major problem. What if you need to boot from a flashdrive to do a full restore - or anything else, for that matter? Does this mean you can't restore? What about those people who run dual boot, i.e., Windows and a distro of Linux? Can't do that either? Hopefully somebody will figure a way to disable these annoyances.
Apparently you won't be able to install this with old processors. But I think that windows 10 is largely sufficient in case you have an old intel Skylake or Haswell.

Note that I tried to install it and I was a bit surprised to see that the installation was working with a disabled secure boot. But I didn't proceed with the installation.
I used to make usb keys with the NTFS format and I remember that I had to use legacy mode in order to boot the key (with windows 10 at least). This time I used Rufus to make the usb key, and I used the Fat32 format as explained in this message, it worked: https://superuser.com/questions/1610967/how-to-slipstream-windows-10-with-uefi-and-secure-boot-enabled/1610968#1610968
 
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 07, 2021, 09:50 PM
Note that I tried to install it and I was a bit surprised to see that the installation was working with a disabled secure boot. But I didn't proceed with the installation.
I used to make usb keys with the NTFS format and I remember that I had to use legacy mode in order to boot the key (with windows 10 at least). This time I used Rufus to make the usb key, and I used the Fat32 format as explained in this message, it worked: https://superuser.com/questions/1610967/how-to-slipstream-windows-10-with-uefi-and-secure-boot-enabled/1610968#1610968

What I can't understand about this secure boot garbage is this: what if your copy of Windows 11 became so damaged it won't boot, but FORTUNATELY you made a backup. How do you boot from a USB drive (or any other media) to access the backup file and do a full restore from it?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 08, 2021, 05:08 PM
What I can't understand about this secure boot garbage is this: what if your copy of Windows 11 became so damaged it won't boot, but FORTUNATELY you made a backup. How do you boot from a USB drive (or any other media) to access the backup file and do a full restore from it?
I might be wrong but secure boot is probably only used for the installation support (at least for windows 10, I don't know what's in store for the new version), preventing you from installing from an unverified support. Apparently, usb keys formatted with a Fat 32 format can be booted while secure boot is on but not NTFS, that's why I had problems the last time I did an installation with a NTFS formatted key till I disabled secure boot.
In my opinion, this tpm 2 might be a sleight of hand to prompt consumers to buy new hardware. I'm pretty sure that 10 year-old computers would be able to run windows 11.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 08, 2021, 05:09 PM
Note that the version of windows 11 above was updated, with TPM 2 and secure boot checks disabled: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 09, 2021, 08:58 PM
Note that the version of windows 11 above was updated, with TPM 2 and secure boot checks disabled: https://mega.nz/file/VE8miABb#Jv-1Fcl-NX3C_WK_APfs-kf3LHP8kXlge8z0qT9UK0w

How did you manage to disable TPM 2.0 and secure boot? I thought this was hard coded into the OS.

I remember not to long ago Shadow predicted that someone will find a way to make Windows 11 work on just about any PC that can run Windows 10 - not to mention TPM 2.0 and secure boot. Let's hope both he and you are right. These restrictions are oppressive.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 10, 2021, 06:55 AM
How did you manage to disable TPM 2.0 and secure boot? I thought this was hard coded into the OS.
I remember not to long ago Shadow predicted that someone will find a way to make Windows 11 work on just about any PC that can run Windows 10 - not to mention TPM 2.0 and secure boot. Let's hope both he and you are right. These restrictions are oppressive.
Actually, the solution was on the website "winaero.com" and it wasn't difficult:

Replace install.esd in the official Windows 10 ISO:
Go to the official Windows 10 website and download Media Creation Tool. Use is to download Windows 10 ISO for your computer. Skip this step if you already have one
Open the downloaded Windows 10 ISO image in UltraISO.
Delete the existing sources\install.esd file you see in UltraISO.
Drag and drop the X:\Path\install.esd you have created onto the UltraISO window to place it instead of the deleted file.
Click on Save or press Ctrl + S in UltraISO to alter the ISO image.
Now you have a fresh Windows 11 ISO file ready for installation on computers without TPM 2.0. Install it as a regular Windows 10.

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 10, 2021, 09:51 PM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.

As is always the case, the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage is monumental. You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page. I'd guess you have to go into their folders and look for an uninstaller. If none is there then delete the directory, look in the Appdata folder for more stuff, and clean the registry. What is most irritating is that it's not enough the Micro$oft pre-loads this trash, they actually want you to use it!

I'm sure you all agree that it's way too early to move to Win11. Let's let developers find ways to manage this thing and get it to work the way is should.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 11, 2021, 09:23 AM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.

As is always the case, the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage is monumental. You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page. I'd guess you have to go into their folders and look for an uninstaller. If none is there then delete the directory, look in the Appdata folder for more stuff, and clean the registry. What is most irritating is that it's not enough the Micro$oft pre-loads this trash, they actually want you to use it!

I'm sure you all agree that it's way too early to move to Win11. Let's let developers find ways to manage this thing and get it to work the way is should.
Besides the windowsapps in Programfiles, I'm afraid "the amount of unnecessary, pre-loaded garbage" you're talking about are the programs I added.
What's more your desperate tone in the following sentence: "You have to put Hibit Uninstaller and delete, delete, delete, delete! Even then you can't get it all. There are garbage programs that don't even appear in Control Panel's "Programs and Features" page" is confirming my fears.
Some of them are in "c:/^programs" and I created the installers myself. Those installers are pretty simple and there is no uninstaller indeed (you can delete the folders directly in "programs").

But many of these programs can be needed. Otherwise they wouldn't be there. Let's talk about the game Belatout, which is not the most necessary of them.
Now Let's imagine one party in the backyard of humbert's house. humbert has welcomed Maher, shadow.97, vasudev and scarface. In San Antonio the weather is hot and we are watching the final of Wimbledon. All the proper items, finger food, biscuits and other little delicacies are on the table for an aperitif. After a pastis tomate, Maher and shadow .97 are ready to talk about their new hardware, while Vasudev preferred a Perroquet, made of Pastis with mint syrup. Served neat pastis has 45% alcohol by volume, and most drinkers add 4 parts of cool water.
We are now discussing the "pre-loaded garbage" that humbert has found in Windows 11. All this is not coming with the original version, it was added by me but humbert forgot to remove the $oem$ folder with ultraiso, just the way I told him to. However, he noticed that the game belatout was on his computer. He could have played with the French version, but he chose to switch the language to English in the preferences. After 2 glasses of Pastis, Maher, shadow.97, humbert and I were finally ready to play Belote coinchée.
Thanks to Belatout, humbert has become an expert at Belote.
Meanwhile, Vasudev is heating a barbecue until the coals are glowing hot. Then he's laying the Figatelli next to each other. The evening promises to be festive.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 11, 2021, 08:53 PM
I wasn't referring only to the software you installed on Win11. I was also refering to Micro$oft's garbage, many of which cannot be uninstalled unless you hack into the system with powershell. In any event this business of installing SIDWADN (software I don't want and don't need) is endemic to just about any operating system on any platform. Every day it gets worse and worse. You have to spend hours simply getting rid of this sewage or at least disabling it. Additionally, the OS manufacturers do everything in their power so you will actually USE their gargabe.

It would make more sense to give us a clean OS and put an icon on the desktop that says "recommended programs" with all the links. This gives the user and option to pick and choose what they want and skip over stuff that will never be used and does nothing more than take up hard drive space. The other option is to sit here and spend hours taking out the trash. Maybe YOU find these programs useful, but many of us do not and would rather decide for ourselves what we want.

Handbrake is my favorite example. As I understand it this programs is very processor intensive. Nobody on this forum is dumb enough to make Win11 their primary OS - it's too early for that. Those who download it will probably play around with it on a VM. Who in their right mind going to run Handbrake on a VM?

Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 12, 2021, 12:50 AM
Handbrake is my favorite example. As I understand it this programs is very processor intensive. Nobody on this forum is dumb enough to make Win11 their primary OS - it's too early for that. Those who download it will probably play around with it on a VM. Who in their right mind going to run Handbrake on a VM?
Actually I added Handbrake and I agree with you, it's not useful to use it in a Virtual Machine. By the way it's probably not a program that we are going to use on a regular basis.
Apparently you have been impressed by windows 11, maybe you'll install it anyway.
Besides my programs, windows 11 comes up with useless stuff (maybe I should get rid of the useless shortcuts for office in the start menu).
Note that according to techspot, there is practically no difference between Windows 10 and windows 11:
https://www.techspot.com/article/2278-windows-11-benchmark/
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 12, 2021, 08:23 PM
Apparently you have been impressed by windows 11, maybe you'll install it anyway.

Like I said, it's too soon for that. Let's let some time pass so that M$ can bring out some updates to generally make it better. Also -- and very important -- let's wait for developers to come out with software to manage W11. For example, Windows 10 Privacy must become Windows 11 Privacy and Yamicsoft's Windows 10 Manager must turn into W11 Manager. I especially love W10(11) Privacy -- it stops telemetry and it's an awesome garbage remover.

Besides my programs, windows 11 comes up with useless stuff (maybe I should get rid of the useless shortcuts for office in the start menu).

Exactly. You will save tons of time by simply putting an icon on the desktop for links with programs you recommend. This gives the user the option to pick and choose according to his needs. It also saves the rest of us plenty of time since we don't have to spend time deleting stuff that we do not want and will never use. Naturally I refer only to your stuff, garbage installed by M$ you don't control. Speaking of M$ bloat, there is now stuff that cannot be deleted by right click-uninstall. Of course it's not impossible to delete them, you just have to use powershell.

Note that according to techspot, there is practically no difference between Windows 10 and windows 11:
https://www.techspot.com/article/2278-windows-11-benchmark/

I agree. All M$ is doing is adding restrictions and bloat, and of course companies actually have to pay for the OS (never us, we don't pay).

BTW, in the techspot article and often here, they keep using the word "leaked". It gives the impression some rogue employee or a North Korean hacker somehow penetrated M$ servers, stole a top secret copy of the ISO and uploaded it everywhere. Really?? Then why it is that M$ source code has NEVER been leaked? When will people finally understand that it is Micro$oft themselves who leak it? This has been their winning strategy since the day Bill Gate$ and Paul Allen started the company.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: scarface on July 15, 2021, 10:52 AM
Yes, I went to that site and noticed that there were actually 2 ways to disable TPM. Notice that the date on that article is June 21, 3 days before the official release. Clearly Micro$oft is backpedaling on all this, otherwise it would be much harder to disable TPM if not impossible.

I installed Scarface's Win11 as a VM with VirtualBox. It installed in less than 5 minutes without a hitch, which is unprecedented. I noticed that the Win11 VM runs faster and smoother than Win10. If indeed this new OS requires a newer and stronger CPU to run, then how is it that runs faster than its predecessor on a virtual machine where performance is always less than on a host computer? I'm convinced these restrictions are artificially imposed to get everybody to upgrade and will eventually be disabled the same way TPM was.
I think you might be mistaken. Windows 11 was announced on the 24th of June 2021, but it is not the release date. Windows 11 will be out "this holiday season", and there is no official date yet, so likely sometime between late November and December.
I've been a bit disappointed so far. Windows 11 is not really revolutionary. You can read this article if you want to know what's new: https://medium.com/nerd-for-tech/windows-11-the-revolutionary-new-skin-for-windows-10-d48a08d33e80
I remember that I downloaded Windows xp with a 56k modem in late 2001. At this time I was using windows ME. Maybe Maher, aa1234779 or Vasudev remember this old OS.
windows ME:
(https://www.zebulon.fr/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/Windows-ME.png)
Some users experienced problems with it: https://paleotronic.com/2020/10/09/the-scourge-of-windows-millennium-edition/
So I was very excited to get and install this new windows XP, and it was more stable than windows 98 or windows ME indeed. From what I've seen so far, I doubt Windows 11 will be better than windows 10 (or windows 7). Note that I didn't like the new start menu and I restored the classic one with the registry entry "Start_ShowClassicMode" (The program "classic start menu" wasn't working). What's more, the Run command in the start menu had disappeared, which is a real problem.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on July 15, 2021, 08:47 PM
I'm sure you're right. June 24th was the introduction of Win11 but not the official release. It's pretty much common knowledge that Win11 is nothing more than W10 with new bloatware and restrictions. Despite this, eventually upgrading will become necessary - we all know why. Naturally now is not the time. Let M$ improve it and let the hackers break into it and remove the limitations. Nobody knows when that will be, but there's no rush. For now W10 remains the OS of choice.

I tried Windows ME and hated it since the day I saw it. I went back to Win98 and immediately downloaded XP when it came out. By then cable "broadband" was available in my neighborhood at a blazing 3Mbps down and 1 Mbps up. I also remember everybody being concerned because M$ had put a new security system to deter piracy. I refer to those keys that had to be typed in. As if always the case, before you know it there were more working fake keys than copies of XP -- just like M$ wanted it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Shadow.97 on July 16, 2021, 11:18 AM
(or windows 7). Note that I didn't like the new start menu and I restored the classic one with the registry entry "Start_ShowClassicMode" (The program "classic start menu" wasn't working). What's more, the Run command in the start menu had disappeared, which is a real problem.
Win+R is a workaround for now :)
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 28, 2021, 09:08 PM
As most of you know by now, M$oft has had to back away from this garbage of Windows 11 working only on late model CPU's. Check out https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc (https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc) for further details. When I first tested this thing on VirtualBox I realized this requirement was pure garbage. What sense does it make that a supposedly power-hungry OS runs better and faster under a virtual machine than Windows 10? It's also easy to disable the TPM and secure boot requirements. Whether M$ will close this hole remains to be seen, but rest assured if that happens somebody will find a way to reopen it.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on August 30, 2021, 09:21 AM
As most of you know by now, M$oft has had to back away from this garbage of Windows 11 working only on late model CPU's. Check out https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc (https://www.howtogeek.com/751960/microsoft-backs-down-windows-11-will-run-on-any-pc) for further details. When I first tested this thing on VirtualBox I realized this requirement was pure garbage. What sense does it make that a supposedly power-hungry OS runs better and faster under a virtual machine than Windows 10? It's also easy to disable the TPM and secure boot requirements. Whether M$ will close this hole remains to be seen, but rest assured if that happens somebody will find a way to reopen it.
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on August 30, 2021, 08:21 PM
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.

Does that mean they won't run at full potential or what? The article basically says if it runs on W10 it'll run on W11. Now I read someplace that if it's an old CPU M$ won't provide security updates. So far the problem with W11 is you don't know what lie to believe. Be that as it may, it's still way too early to really give any of this serious consideration.

Do I remember correctly or did M$ say W10 would be the last major upgrade?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 01, 2021, 08:50 PM
As most of you know by now, W11 is scheduled for launch on October 5, 2021. There's a great deal of talk about Windows 11 enforcing TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot. For now it can be disabled with a registry hack, although it's believed M$ might close that loophole.

Here's where I'm confused. Supposedly the whole idea of secure boot is to prevent you from booting anything other than Windows or some other "authorized" operating system. Suppose something nasty happens to my copy of W11 and it refuses to boot. Fortunately I have a backup file on another drive made with Macrium Reflect by using Sergei Strelec's Windows PE. How do I boot Sergei's ISO from a flashdrive in order to restore the backup if secure boot has me locked out?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 02, 2021, 10:20 AM
It seems Skylake and 1st gen Ryzen are denied entries on based on some virtualisation features slowing it down.

Does that mean they won't run at full potential or what? The article basically says if it runs on W10 it'll run on W11. Now I read someplace that if it's an old CPU M$ won't provide security updates. So far the problem with W11 is you don't know what lie to believe. Be that as it may, it's still way too early to really give any of this serious consideration.

Do I remember correctly or did M$ say W10 would be the last major upgrade?
They won't support it officially and updates are disabled for unsupported hardware due to lack of security features besides TPMs. Some features are HVCI or something that can run apps under virtualization w/o taking a severe perf. hit. MSft just added Surface Studio 2 to compatible list since it has necessary hardware.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 02, 2021, 08:51 PM
It seems the only thing to do is wait until October 5 -- not to install W11 but rather to see what M$ decided to do and to what extent hackers were able to disable these "features". In the mean time everything is nothing more than speculation. This is especially true when M$ keeps making changes and changes and changes.

Just like the rest of you, I intend to install 11 when all these questions are answered AND I can boot from flashdrive when Windows doesn't boot and requires a full restore. No matter how much I googled it, I can't find an answer to my question about booting from flashdrive when W11 refuses to boot.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on September 04, 2021, 09:20 AM
It seems the only thing to do is wait until October 5 -- not to install W11 but rather to see what M$ decided to do and to what extent hackers were able to disable these "features". In the mean time everything is nothing more than speculation. This is especially true when M$ keeps making changes and changes and changes.

Just like the rest of you, I intend to install 11 when all these questions are answered AND I can boot from flashdrive when Windows doesn't boot and requires a full restore. No matter how much I googled it, I can't find an answer to my question about booting from flashdrive when W11 refuses to boot.
That's really an odd issue with flash drive not booting with Win 11.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on September 04, 2021, 08:43 PM
That's really an odd issue with flash drive not booting with Win 11.

M$oft has been saying for quite a while that W11 will run only if TPM 2.0 and secure boot are enabled. So far this is easy to disable. I just googled it and found at least 3 ways. The question now becomes whether or not M$oft will close these loopholes by the time the official release is out. With M$ it's more important to listen to what they're NOT saying. They keep insisting about mandatory secure boot with no mention of closing loopholes -- at least not as of this writing.

Here's what I don't understand. As I see it the whole idea behind secure boot is to lock out OS's other than the one registered in the BIOS. The question now becomes: suppose your OS is damaged to a point where it won't boot and the only solution is to restore from an image backup file. This requires booting from a flashdrive. How do you do that when all other OS's are locked out? Could you go into the BIOS, disable secure boot, then re-enable it to boot your primary OS? If so then what kind of security is this when to boot another OS you can simply disable secure boot in the BIOS?

Is all this correct or am I wrong somewhere?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 12, 2021, 10:08 PM
As you all know by now, everybody keeps talking about Windows 11's restrictions (secure boot, TPM, RAM, etc.). Take a look at this link (https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/11/disable-tpm-secure-boot-and-ram-requirements-for-windows-11) and you'll see how all restrictions can be easily removed with the latest version of Rufus.

Ever since they opened for business in 1981, Micro$oft's strategy has been to impose restrictions but always leave the door slightly open so we computer geeks can go in and eliminate them. This insures that Windows remains on as many computers as possible while at the same time collecting more money from those who don't know better. It is precisely this sort of thing that has kept them at the very top. Why change it? One thing is for sure: I refuse to believe Micro$oft doesn't know what Rufus has done. They sit back and pretend they don't.

Incidentally, can you burn the original ISO to a flashdrive to remove the restrictions then create a bootable ISO of the flashdrive with PowerISO or some other program?
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: Vasudev on October 13, 2021, 10:51 AM
As you all know by now, everybody keeps talking about Windows 11's restrictions (secure boot, TPM, RAM, etc.). Take a look at this link (https://www.ghacks.net/2021/10/11/disable-tpm-secure-boot-and-ram-requirements-for-windows-11) and you'll see how all restrictions can be easily removed with the latest version of Rufus.

Ever since they opened for business in 1981, Micro$oft's strategy has been to impose restrictions but always leave the door slightly open so we computer geeks can go in and eliminate them. This insures that Windows remains on as many computers as possible while at the same time collecting more money from those who don't know better. It is precisely this sort of thing that has kept them at the very top. Why change it? One thing is for sure: I refuse to believe Micro$oft doesn't know what Rufus has done. They sit back and pretend they don't.

Incidentally, can you burn the original ISO to a flashdrive to remove the restrictions then create a bootable ISO of the flashdrive with PowerISO or some other program?
They will allow W11 to gain huge market share over W10 and then stop the patch from working, at that time people already got used to W11 features that they will buy a new device or supported older device until W12 comes out in another 5 yrs.
Title: Re: Windows 11
Post by: humbert on October 13, 2021, 10:08 PM
They will allow W11 to gain huge market share over W10 and then stop the patch from working, at that time people already got used to W11 features that they will buy a new device or supported older device until W12 comes out in another 5 yrs.

You're correct. In all probability that's what they're going to do.

I've asked this many times. I've googled it and have yet to find a satisfactory answer. Suppose you're running W11 with secure boot enabled and your system won't boot? You DO have a backup, but to restore it you have to boot from flashdrive. Is your flashdrive locked out? Could you simply disable secure boot and re-enable it when you're done? What if all you want to do is look at a distro of linux as a live CD?

I'm not too clear on TPM either. I looked at my motherboard's manual. All it tells you is the menu item where you can set the TPM module. Is this just switching it off or on, or is there more to it?