Hey Ahmad,
I had been meaning to ask you -- did you vote in the recent Egyptian elections? I've heard there's a run-off now between one of Mubarak's former henchmen and an "Islamist" (according to the news media), because nobody got a clear majority.
Tell me more.
Quote from: humbert on May 29, 2012, 02:37 AM
Hey Ahmad,
I had been meaning to ask you -- did you vote in the recent Egyptian elections? I've heard there's a run-off now between one of Mubarak's former henchmen and an "Islamist" (according to the news media), because nobody got a clear majority.
Tell me more.
Yeah, dear.
I voted,
BUT most of the Egyptians are not happy with this end. :( ???
I voted for an independent one who doesn't belong to any party. He is very good. Also, there is another good independent one. Each of them had %20.
The Islamist one, and the other one of Mubarak.. Each of them had %25, so they will enter the second phase of elections.
Most people doesn't want both of them, and for that, they are not happy.
What makes me mad is that how the guy of Mubarak got %25 !! ???
Who voted for him !! >:( I can't get that !!
Some people including me will vote for the Islamist one just to keep the other away, but this doesn't mean we want the Islamist.
Others will vote for the other one because they don't want the Islamist one.
So, we are greatly confused, and I'm afraid of another mess in the country.
Take care. :D
Quote from: Ahmad on May 29, 2012, 04:05 AM
Yeah, dear.
I voted, BUT most of the Egyptians are not happy with this end. :( ???
I voted for an independent one who doesn't belong to any party. He is very good. Also, there is another good independent one. Each of them had %20.
This sort of thing usually happens when a situation exists where there are many political parties on the ballot. Even if some candidates are close when it comes to the issues, they don't get together to prevent this kinds of fractionalization
Quote from: Ahmad on May 29, 2012, 04:05 AM
The Islamist one, and the other one of Mubarak.. Each of them had %25, so they will enter the second phase of elections.
Most people doesn't want both of them, and for that, they are not happy.
What makes me mad is that how the guy of Mubarak got %25 !! ???
Who voted for him !! >:( I can't get that !!
Regarding Hosni's former henchman, forget what he did in the past - the question is, what has he promised to do if elected. One thing is certain -- there is no way this guy can become another Mubarak, nor will he even be in a position to unleash the army against protesters. As for the Islamists, what are they promising? If indeed Egypt now has a constitution, I don't see how this guy can turn it into another Saudi Arabia or Iran. There are simply too many people who oppose such a thing. What are they saying in their campaigns?
Quote from: Ahmad on May 29, 2012, 04:05 AM
Some people including me will vote for the Islamist one just to keep the other away, but this doesn't mean we want the Islamist.
Others will vote for the other one because they don't want the Islamist one.
This is known as the "anti-vote" and is seen practically everywhere. In other words, you're not voting for one guy, you're actually voting against the other guy. In every election I've seen, candidates often do nothing more than tell us how bad the other guy is, without even explaining why they'd be the better choice.
Quote from: Ahmad on May 29, 2012, 04:05 AM
So, we are greatly confused, and I'm afraid of another mess in the country.
Sadly, this is very common in countries that have been ruled by dictators. It all boils down to the fact that for many years, people have just been told what to do and never given an opportunity to govern themselves. Sadly, this sort of thing is endemic and happens just about everywhere. Just to give you an idea, in Syria I am more afraid of what will happen the day Bashar is finally gone as opposed to what's going on right now.
Take care. :D
Quote from: humbert on May 31, 2012, 05:40 AM
Regarding Hosni's former henchman, forget what he did in the past - the question is, what has he promised to do if elected. One thing is certain -- there is no way this guy can become another Mubarak, nor will he even be in a position to unleash the army against protesters. As for the Islamists, what are they promising? If indeed Egypt now has a constitution, I don't see how this guy can turn it into another Saudi Arabia or Iran. There are simply too many people who oppose such a thing. What are they saying in their campaigns?
No no, dear.
I wish it was like that.
All people here know the close relationship between Mubarak and him, and know that he entered the election just for Mubarak and his system. Even, he has some cases which the court haven't judged in them, yet and we don't know how he entered the elections before these cases are closed !! It's illegal.
The other thing is that he didn't say a specific plan for the country.. All are general talk.
On the other side, the Islamist one is from the balanced party not from the other. So, don't worry.. We won't be another Saudi Arabia.
Also I heard from him about Women's dressing, it's a matter between her and her God. Also regarding work.. if there is a competition between a man and a woman, the better will be hired.
Regarding his promises..
First, he will become independent from his party. But he will execute their project of progress which is a specific plan for progress in every field written in 14,000 papers.
Actually, those people are very good and organized, and for me, they will be good.
But I wanted a president from the ordinary people just to make everybody happy with him.
But now, some people here are afraid of them because of what they hear about them... As you know, it's just talking to make people afraid of them specially people who don't read or try to know about them. They are easy to be deceived.
I'm sure we won't be Saudi Arabia, and I heard from him about all things that people are afraid of. He is just like others who seeks progress for the country. Even he becomes angry when people ask him just about those known issues like women's dressing ...etc.
He says, why not asking about the important things like economy, industry ... etc.
BTW, he is from the party that I voted for during the past elections of the council. BUT, I didn't want them to introduce a candidate to be a president as they said before, and this was the biggest mistake they ever did. Yet, what can we do now?
At least, he is better than the other one of Mubarak. And no way to vote for another Mubarak playing a dirty game on the people !!
Take care. :D
Quote from: Ahmad on May 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
No no, dear.
I wish it was like that.
All people here know the close relationship between Mubarak and him, and know that he entered the election just for Mubarak and his system. Even, he has some cases which the court haven't judged in them, yet and we don't know how he entered the elections before these cases are closed !! It's illegal.
Has he been officially indicted already or is it all talk? I heard this morning on the BBC that Hosni is now under arrest and awaiting trial. Some Egyptians are even wanting the death penalty.
Quote from: Ahmad on May 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
The other thing is that he didn't say a specific plan for the country.. All are general talk.
Like you said, if the guy has no agenda to present to the people for improving the nation, I can't understand how he got so many votes -- and worse given his history.
Quote from: Ahmad on May 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
On the other side, the Islamist one is from the balanced party not from the other. So, don't worry.. We won't be another Saudi Arabia.
Also I heard from him about Women's dressing, it's a matter between her and her God. Also regarding work.. if there is a competition between a man and a woman, the better will be hired.
This is excellent. If a woman decides to wear a veil, it should be only because of her religious convictions, and never because the Mutawah (Saudi religious police) will beat her, or some other government-related matter. And naturally, gender should never enter into the picture as a reason for hiring someone, with the possible exception of combat duty as a soldier.
Quote from: Ahmad on May 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
First, he will become independent from his party. But he will execute their project of progress which is a specific plan for progress in every field written in 14,000 papers.
Actually, those people are very good and organized, and for me, they will be good.
But I wanted a president from the ordinary people just to make everybody happy with him.
But now, some people here are afraid of them because of what they hear about them... As you know, it's just talking to make people afraid of them specially people who don't read or try to know about them. They are easy to be deceived.
You're absolutely right. It's easy to deceive people. Politicians and government have been doing it forever. And I bet you anything Hosni's man is telling the Egyptian people all kinds of lies and dire consequences if they are elected.
Quote from: Ahmad on May 31, 2012, 04:47 PM
I'm sure we won't be Saudi Arabia, and I heard from him about all things that people are afraid of. He is just like others who seeks progress for the country. Even he becomes angry when people ask him just about those known issues like women's dressing ...etc.
He says, why not asking about the important things like economy, industry ... etc.
May Allah hear you! Governments must stay out of how people choose to practice their religion. History has taught us that the worse butchery against people has come from those governments who claim to be religious. You think only Islam does this? Think again. What about those millions who were tortured and burned at the stake because of the Holy Inquisition in Spain many years ago?
I'll keep listening to the news and asking you stuff to see what finally happens with all this.
Quote from: humbert on June 03, 2012, 02:32 AM
Has he been officially indicted already or is it all talk?
During the period when he was the minister of aviation, people who have been working with him know what he was doing but nobody could indict him then, but now they did.
Actually, this guy doesn't have such big problems and crimes like others, but he is not totally clean and 75% of Egyptians hate him and so, he can't be our president.
Quote from: humbert on June 03, 2012, 02:32 AM
I heard this morning on the BBC that Hosni is now under arrest and awaiting trial. Some Egyptians are even wanting the death penalty.
Yes, he was judged 25 years in prison.
Regarding the cases of Profiteering >>> non guilty !! him and his 2 sons !!
Then, from where did they have all their money, palaces, lands, companies ... etc.
This is because the military council who is governing now was not straight and gave them the chance to hide every evidence making them guilty.
Everyone knows that they all were thieves but they say where is the paper proving that ?
Such silly law !!
Quote from: humbert on June 03, 2012, 02:32 AM
This is excellent. If a woman decides to wear a veil, it should be only because of her religious convictions, and never because the Mutawah (Saudi religious police) will beat her, or some other government-related matter. And naturally, gender should never enter into the picture as a reason for hiring someone, with the possible exception of combat duty as a soldier.
That's right.
Quote from: humbert on June 03, 2012, 02:32 AM
You're absolutely right. It's easy to deceive people. Politicians and government have been doing it forever. And I bet you anything Hosni's man is telling the Egyptian people all kinds of lies and dire consequences if they are elected.
Yes, and they use Media very well for their purposes. They are very wily.
Finally, people are very upset because many condemned people have been judged non guilty, and many of them are protesting now for that and also to rule Mubarak's man out of elections.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 03, 2012, 07:08 AM
During the period when he was the minister of aviation, people who have been working with him know what he was doing but nobody could indict him then, but now they did.
Actually, this guy doesn't have such big problems and crimes like others, but he is not totally clean and 75% of Egyptians hate him and so, he can't be our president.
Clarify something for me. In America, when you are "under indictment", this means you have been formally accused of a crime and are now awaiting trial. Depending on the circumstances, you could be free on bail or in jail, all pending the outcome of the trial. Are you saying this is the man's situation? I think there's a misunderstanding.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 03, 2012, 07:08 AM
Yes, he was judged 25 years in prison.
Regarding the cases of Profiteering >>> non guilty !! him and his 2 sons !!
Then, from where did they have all their money, palaces, lands, companies ... etc.
This is because the military council who is governing now was not straight and gave them the chance to hide every evidence making them guilty.
Everyone knows that they all were thieves but they say where is the paper proving that ?
Such silly law !!
Then the BBC got it wrong. This morning on the news, they said the sentence had been life imprisonment. They did say he had been acquitted of other crimes, such as corruption. Naturally I believe you. They also showed on TV big crowds of protesters at Tahrir Square complaining about the outcome and wanting the death penalty. After all, Hosni WAS found guilty of killing nearly 800 protesters and other dissidents.
What amazes me is how is it that Mubarak never left Egypt when he had the chance. This is what I don't understand about many dictators everywhere -- they would rather die fighting than leave with all the millions they stole to live like a king with all the money they embezzled. Just one example - look at Gadhafi. When the insurgents had captured both Benghazi and Tripoli (thanks to NATO and the Arab League), he was still in his native Sirte somehow believing he was still the dictator. I'm beginning to believe he still thought he was going to crush the rebellion.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 03, 2012, 07:08 AM
Yes, and they use Media very well for their purposes. They are very wily.
Finally, people are very upset because many condemned people have been judged non guilty, and many of them are protesting now for that and also to rule Mubarak's man out of elections.
The government here is very notorious for this, not to mention that the media is part of the elite. Accordingly, most people actually believe the lies they tell. That's why there's no need for brutal repression. As for Hosni's guy, please clarify for me what I said above and I'll tell you more, I don't live to give opinions unless I have facts to back them up. :)
Quote from: humbert on June 04, 2012, 06:50 AM
Clarify something for me. In America, when you are "under indictment", this means you have been formally accused of a crime and are now awaiting trial. Depending on the circumstances, you could be free on bail or in jail, all pending the outcome of the trial. Are you saying this is the man's situation? I think there's a misunderstanding.
What I mean is that he is accused of a crime and he could be free if he managed to hide evidences like others.
But who worked with him say now that he gave orders to build new passageways for planes in airports without any need for them. They know what is going behind these orders... He says it will cost 100 millions for example, he pays 70 and keeps the rest for himself and all partners... All thieves of the government do the same here.
So most of this guy's crimes will be like this.
Who knows, some people say he shared in the killing orders, but no evidences for that.
Quote from: humbert on June 04, 2012, 06:50 AM
Then the BBC got it wrong. This morning on the news, they said the sentence had been life imprisonment. They did say he had been acquitted of other crimes, such as corruption. Naturally I believe you. They also showed on TV big crowds of protesters at Tahrir Square complaining about the outcome and wanting the death penalty. After all, Hosni WAS found guilty of killing nearly 800 protesters and other dissidents.
Here, 25 years in prison means life imprisonment.
He and all his partners gave orders to kill about 1200 protesters and injured thousands [
specially in the eye] in Tahrir 25 Jan.
How on the earth some of them become free now without any guilt ?!!
And the others who have been indicted, why don't they be killed like what they did ?!!
I trust the judge, he can't say someone is guilty without evidences.. And these evidences were hidden and burnt at the beginning of rebellion.
So people now become very angry specially who had a son killed in the rebellion, he know that those people killed his son but he can't do anything to indict them.
Excuse me guys, I didn't even read the whole conversation.
But I said it, and will always repeat it Ahmad, after all this, people will be dreaming for the time of Mubarak to come back!!
I'm not saying that they love him, nor I'm defending him! He deserves all this happening to him. All I'm saying is people will never feel the same as earlier!
Will never feel safe actually. Don't know how to explain it more, but I hope you got my point.
Changes are not made this way, read the verse in Quran where Allah says:
"إن الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بأنفسهم"
Allah does not change a people´s lot unless they change what is in their hearts.
We need to change ourselves, not only change the president!
Quote from: Maher on June 05, 2012, 08:31 AM
Excuse me guys, I didn't even read the whole conversation.
But I said it, and will always repeat it Ahmad, after all this, people will be dreaming for the time of Mubarak to come back!!
I'm not saying that they love him, nor I'm defending him! He deserves all this happening to him. All I'm saying is people will never feel the same as earlier!
Will never feel safe actually. Don't know how to explain it more, but I hope you got my point.
Changes are not made this way, read the verse in Quran where Allah says:
"إن الله لا يغير ما بقوم حتى يغيروا ما بأنفسهم"
Allah does not change a people´s lot unless they change what is in their hearts.
We need to change ourselves, not only change the president!
I get your point completely & I believe in it, and this is what I'm afraid of.
Many people don't see it the way you are seeing. They are away from this understanding.
And I know that
Allah won't change his words or rules, but I always ask him safety.
Thanks for support, brother.
Quote from: Maher on June 05, 2012, 08:31 AM
Excuse me guys, I didn't even read the whole conversation.
But I said it, and will always repeat it Ahmad, after all this, people will be dreaming for the time of Mubarak to come back!!
I'm not saying that they love him, nor I'm defending him! He deserves all this happening to him. All I'm saying is people will never feel the same as earlier!
Will never feel safe actually. Don't know how to explain it more, but I hope you got my point.
You are very correct! It reminds me of an old saying I heard someplace: "Politicians are like flies on a bag of garbage. Once you revove them, other flies will take their place". Sure enough, is is the people who must learn to govern themselves and not take abuse from their leaders.
What you said concerning Hosni is very true and reminds of something you hear from, off the top of my head, the people of 3 nations: Nicaragua, Iran, and my native Cuba.
Question: How well off were you during the time of the previous dictatorship?
Asnwer: Things were bad.
Questions: How are things now that the leadership has charged?
Answer: FAR WORSE!
I rest my case!
Quote from: humbert on June 06, 2012, 07:22 AM
Question: How well off were you during the time of the previous dictatorship?
Asnwer: Things were bad.
Questions: How are things now that the leadership has charged?
Answer: FAR WORSE!
I rest my case!
That't it! That's what I meant..
100% agree with you Humb.
I know and I agree with you, but I do my best to be optimistic and think of the best from Allah hoping he will accept as you know ; for every rule, there are some out of the ordinary.
I hope Egypt will be one of the unusual and be better [InSha'Allah] as Allah said:
"إن ذلك على الله يسير" ... "All this is easy to Allah.. "
"وما ذلك على الله بعزيز" ... "Nor is that (at all) difficult for Allah.. "
"فعال لما يريد" ... "Doer (without let) of all that he intends.. "
"لله الأمر من قبل ومن بعد" ... "with Allah is the command in the past and in the future"
We do what we have to do, and we don't have except Allah for these matters.
Quote from: Maher on June 13, 2012, 03:27 PM
That't it! That's what I meant..
100% agree with you Humb.
You know, every time I see something on the news about Syria, my heart goes out for those people. That Bashar will fall is simply a matter of time. History has taught us that no dictator can stay afloat if he is not able to crush an uprising -- and do immediately and by whatever means. The people fighting Bashar are soldiers who only know how to fight, not how to govern. Moreover, the only thing that unites them is their desire for Bashar's overthrow - nothing else. Once their aims have been met, they'll turn to each other and ask, "what now"?
Hey Ahmad! I'm posting this here only because for a simple thing like this I just didn't feel it was worth starting another topic. Naturally, if for the future you believe starting a topic is the way to go, please let me know. And of course I'm always interested in your reasons. There are just so many topics it's unreal.
How are things in Egypt with the elections? Have you voted? Do you think Shafik can be defeated?
Here's a question that's causing me confusion. I'd noticed this before on the news and had been meaning to ask you, but never got around to it. Just right now they briefly interrupted the TV for news and they showed scenes of people in Egypt standing in line to vote. What I noticed this time and before is that probably more than half the women on there weren't wearing veils, and no man was looking at them strangely or bothering them. You've already explained the Islamic dress code for women and I realize that it's possible that either the women in that crowd aren't Islamic (maybe Coptic Christian) or that they just don't follow their religion closely. What I find strange was that the place was full of men and no man bothered them. My question: what is the cultural rule regarding women and veils? Also, although this isn't very common over there, in Islam why do some women wear simple veils and others wear those black clothes that have only an opening in front of their eyes so they can see out?
Quote from: humbert on June 17, 2012, 06:53 AM
How are things in Egypt with the elections? Have you voted? Do you think Shafik can be defeated?
Today is the last day to elect between 2 candidates, and I've voted against Shafik.
Sadly, people here seem to be divided.. half for one and half for the other.. So, we wait and see.
Quote from: humbert on June 17, 2012, 06:53 AM
My question: what is the cultural rule regarding women and veils? Also, although this isn't very common over there, in Islam why do some women wear simple veils and others wear those black clothes that have only an opening in front of their eyes so they can see out?
Look dear..
Allah gave us clear instructions to follow in
The Holy Qur'an and through his messenger
Muhammad [
Peace be upon him and all the prophets].. So, we were given orders to do and not to do.
Regarding women dressing, Women were ordered to wear
baggy clothes,
not transparent and
not to expose more than the face and the hands. At the same time, it's not prohibited to cover the face and the hands. [
As she wants]. So, the order is in a wide range.. Any clothes apply these conditions, they are good in Islam..
Exposing hair is a sin.. Women must cover their hair.
If you see a woman like that here.. Either she is a christian or she doesn't follow Islam closely. Often she might not be praying as well.
Any woman wearing baggy, non transparent clothes and showing only the face and the hands are applying Islam instructions of dressing.
Women who are covering all their bodies, it's their choice [
not obligation in Islam and not prohibited].. Some of them don't want to be seen, specially very beautiful women.
Regarding men, we're ordered not to bother women by words or actions.
Even if the woman doesn't wear as she should, our religion and bashfulness prevent us from staring at them and bothering them. If any man bothers them, then he is a sinner.
At last, instructions are known to everyone, yet we must go wrong sometimes because we're not prophets.. The important thing is to do our best.
Another thing is that in Islam or other religions, you'll find every type in people, beginning from the good to the bad to the ugly. ;D - Everyone does what he wants, but he knows. This is the message.. You know the good and the evil.. Do what you want now, but be advised to do your best in good things before that day.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 17, 2012, 05:22 PM
Today is the last day to elect between 2 candidates, and I've voted against Shafik.
Sadly, people here seem to be divided.. half for one and half for the other.. So, we wait and see.
I was following the news today. Last I heard, the military went as far as to say that it didn't matter who won the election. They also said the elected president would not be in control of the military. This is bad news for Egypt -- what happens everywhere in the world when those you don't control have guns and you don't? Now they're saying they intend to revert control to the elected government at the end of June.... I don't know :( There was so much emphasis on this that there was almost no mention who was winning the election.
Regarding your response regarding how women dress and why men don't react any differently, to me it makes perfect sense. Now I understand what's going on. Thanks!
Yes, Morsi wins the elections.
Actually, the military acts well till now.. The elections was good and fair, and the military didn't stand with one against the other and didn't do anything to protesters.
So he did what he should do for now except for one thing.. He declared a new small complementary law to be applied for 6 months until the new complete law is set. We don't know what is behind this, but I hope they complete their work as it should be.
Regarding Morsi, he is now under the big great responsibility, and I ask Allah to help him because he has a lot of corruption to eliminate and a lot of new duties to do.
It seems to me the military didn't have much of a choice. They knew perfectly they either had to accept their loss in the elections or turn to violence -- which would have led to a brutal downfall in the end. So they decided to simply go the political route. Clearly their backs were against the wall.
Well, now it's Morsi's turn. Let's hope he brings Egypt into prosperity and respects the rights of all Egyptians.
Quote from: humbert on June 25, 2012, 07:17 AM
It seems to me the military didn't have much of a choice. They knew perfectly they either had to accept their loss in the elections or turn to violence -- which would have led to a brutal downfall in the end. So they decided to simply go the political route. Clearly their backs were against the wall.
In my opinion, the military wouldn't think of violence any moment, but I think also as you said.. He didn't want that end but he has no choice except for taking the political route.
You know, since I don't know what is inside their heads, I don't want to misjudge them.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 26, 2012, 06:20 AM
In my opinion, the military wouldn't think of violence any moment, but I think also as you said.. He didn't want that end but he has no choice except for taking the political route.
You know, since I don't know what is inside their heads, I don't want to misjudge them.
This is exactly what I was thinking. If the military were truly capable of crushing the revolution by any means, rest assured they would have done so by now, and at whatever price. It was when they realized violence was simply not an option what they decided to go the political route. All dictators think this way regardless of where they're from.
Of course it's impossible to go inside anyone's head! This is why we make educated guesses based on whatever facts we have and share them with friends, so they too can share their guesses with us and that way we can all be as close to the truth as possible. It's always like that :)
Until now, protesters are still in Tahrir.
They want to cancel this complementary law, because why the hell did we do a revolution then elections? .. To make the power finally in the military's hands !!!
I hope they do this thing on the right way and don't cause any trouble because people here won't accept submission anymore.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 27, 2012, 08:07 AM
Until now, protesters are still in Tahrir.
They want to cancel this complementary law, because why the hell did we do a revolution then elections? .. To make the power finally in the military's hands !!!
I hope they do this thing on the right way and don't cause any trouble because people here won't accept submission anymore.
With dictators, you'd think they all went to the same school. Their thirst for power is simply unquenchable and they'll do whatever it takes to get it and keep it even if it means killing many innocent people to do so. Empathy and respect are alien concepts to them. This is, of course, not just in Egypt, it's EVERYWHERE.
I tried to find information about exactly what was going on now, but I haven't had much luck. What are these generals up to now? Did you say crowds are gathering once again at Tahrir Square? Also, did Hosni die or what? Speaking of Hosni, the other day on the news I saw some women outside the hospital carrying his picture. One lady who was interviewed said, "I love Hosni, he's like my father". Incredible but true!
Quote from: humbert on June 29, 2012, 01:46 AM
What are these generals up to now? Did you say crowds are gathering once again at Tahrir Square? Also, did Hosni die or what? Speaking of Hosni, the other day on the news I saw some women outside the hospital carrying his picture. One lady who was interviewed said, "I love Hosni, he's like my father". Incredible but true!
Yes, there are crowds in Tahrir. They want to cancel that complementary law that the military declared one day before the elections. This law makes the power still in the military hands not the president. i.e. The military must accept any decision or any law first before it's executed. Then, what is the job of the president and why did we do the elections ?!!
But thanks God, there is no violence. Today is Friday and there will be a great protesting in Tahrir every Friday until this law is cancelled.
Regarding Hosni, they say he has a brain thrombus, and his case is critical, but he didn't actually die.
Regarding that woman, she is not a lone. Many here are like her. Some people are not used to live with dignity and freedom. They need to always feel they are subjugated so that they can live !!!
May be because they didn't have a son or a daughter killed or tortured because of Hosni or his system. Or they were living well enough not to complain. But those are minority. The majority of Egyptians were suffering in living, not to mention the other ways of subjugation that were practiced when someone said they were wrong or did something they didn't want.
All of this corruption never appeared on TV, and for that many people are living in a knowledge coma and they need to wake up.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 29, 2012, 02:58 PM
This law makes the power still in the military hands not the president. i.e. The military must accept any decision or any law first before it's executed. Then, what is the job of the president and why did we do the elections ?!! But thanks God, there is no violence. Today is Friday and there will be a great protesting in Tahrir every Friday until this law is cancelled.
Yes, this is exactly what I heard in the news, where I got confused was with the name it has, which I didn't find. You're absolutely right - why did so many martyrs fight and die in Tahrir Square only to create a situation where the military dictators still calling the shots? What the military doesn't understand is that this time they will not be able to stand up to the fury of the Egyptian people and as such, any use of violence will not work. Clearly brutality is their only option if they are to stay in power. I don't think they stand a chance.
Quote from: Ahmad on June 29, 2012, 02:58 PM
Regarding that woman, she is not a lone. Many here are like her. Some people are not used to live with dignity and freedom. They need to always feel they are subjugated so that they can live !!!
May be because they didn't have a son or a daughter killed or tortured because of Hosni or his system. Or they were living well enough not to complain. But those are minority. The majority of Egyptians were suffering in living, not to mention the other ways of subjugation that were practiced when someone said they were wrong or did something they didn't want.
All of this corruption never appeared on TV, and for that many people are living in a knowledge coma and they need to wake up.
When you see a case such as this, it's almost always because this lady or someone in her family either was a member of Hosni's government or otherwise lived very well before the revolution, and somehow they think all this will come back. This is something else that happens all over the world. What's hard to understand is precisely the fact that these people, in their greed, simply look the other way while people are beaten and tortured. As long as they're OK, nothing else matters.