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Computing => Programs => Topic started by: Daniil on October 17, 2016, 06:01 AM

Title: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Daniil on October 17, 2016, 06:01 AM
Hello, comrades!

I need some kind of secure instant messenger. Something like ICQ or an analog of private chat in Facebook, but working through SSL and without public server. Can you recommend me examples of such software?

Key requirements is:
-no public servers (P2P protocols is preferred)
-SSL encrypting of messages (or any other traffic security)
-must have an Android client (or works through smartphone well)
-must be simple as Facebook chat (i.e., girl-friendly)

(In Russia since July 2016 a new law came to effect. It is so called "Yarovaya Law", may be you hear about it from news. Officially this is for counter-terrorism, but in fact it requires for all telecommunication providers to store user data and sends it for perlustration to ФСБ - Federal Security Bureau, previously known as KGB. Ofcourse they can't perlustrate all traffic - it is technically impossible - but the main problem is social networks, which can be perlustrate. I am very often using a VKontakte social network - russian Facebook analog - for chatting with my friends and my girlfriend. So, I don't like that some stupid guy in uniform reads my private messages to my girl or messages from my friends. That's why I need this software.)
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Vasudev on October 17, 2016, 09:41 AM
I googled your query and got some results. Check out this post by Kaspersky, it might help you. https://blog.kaspersky.com/nine-secure-messengers/6684/ (https://blog.kaspersky.com/nine-secure-messengers/6684/)
Hope this helps.  Telegram app can be set to self destruct msgs after use.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Shadow.97 on October 17, 2016, 07:26 PM
Hello, comrades!

I need some kind of secure instant messenger. Something like ICQ or an analog of private chat in Facebook, but working through SSL and without public server. Can you recommend me examples of such software?

Key requirements is:
-no public servers (P2P protocols is preferred)
-SSL encrypting of messages (or any other traffic security)
-must have an Android client (or works through smartphone well)
-must be simple as Facebook chat (i.e., girl-friendly)

(In Russia since July 2016 a new law came to effect. It is so called "Yarovaya Law", may be you hear about it from news. Officially this is for counter-terrorism, but in fact it requires for all telecommunication providers to store user data and sends it for perlustration to ФСБ - Federal Security Bureau, previously known as KGB. Ofcourse they can't perlustrate all traffic - it is technically impossible - but the main problem is social networks, which can be perlustrate. I am very often using a VKontakte social network - russian Facebook analog - for chatting with my friends and my girlfriend. So, I don't like that some stupid guy in uniform reads my private messages to my girl or messages from my friends. That's why I need this software.)
I instantly thought of is Signal, It is open source, and "even the developer cant see what you're texting".
Apparently, Edward Snowden uses it. (Quick google told me that when i googled its security)
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: humbert on October 17, 2016, 07:32 PM
There are probably some alternatives on the Tor network. I haven't investigated it because I hardly ever talk to anyone :)

Sometimes I think Putin is more of a Stalinist than Stalin himself.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Vasudev on October 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
My options are limited on windows mobile. Yeah, use whatever Snowden recommends. For OS, Tails 2.0.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Daniil on October 19, 2016, 12:32 AM
Thank you, comrades.

Signal app, proposed by Shadow, looks like the best variant to try.
I myself thought about solution like "Tor+chat engine with private rooms on remote (non-russian) server", or some software like Xabber, working through secured XMPP protocol.
Thanks again, I'll go and test all this solutions. :)

Humbert, Putin isn't a Stalinist (if he'd be a Stalinist, situation would be much better!). He is even not a dictator. He is just a leader of a big thief gang, trying to hold the power over country in his hands.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: humbert on October 24, 2016, 09:16 PM
Humbert, Putin isn't a Stalinist (if he'd be a Stalinist, situation would be much better!). He is even not a dictator. He is just a leader of a big thief gang, trying to hold the power over country in his hands.

Anyone who is trying to hold on to power by any means is a dictator. The only reason Putin doesn't act like Stalin did is because this is not the 1930's -- massive purges, collectivization and famines are simply not possible today.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Shadow.97 on October 25, 2016, 10:52 PM
Thank you, comrades.

Signal app, proposed by Shadow, looks like the best variant to try.
I myself thought about solution like "Tor+chat engine with private rooms on remote (non-russian) server", or some software like Xabber, working through secured XMPP protocol.
Thanks again, I'll go and test all this solutions. :)

Humbert, Putin isn't a Stalinist (if he'd be a Stalinist, situation would be much better!). He is even not a dictator. He is just a leader of a big thief gang, trying to hold the power over country in his hands.

I'd also suggest Telegram. This app is used by alot of German friends of mine.
The reason alot of germans use it is because of the spying scandal. People got paranoid, and created secure alternatives that could not be spied upon as easily.
Telegram is also encrypted, and open source.
I wasnt aware that this was the reason Telegram was used, but I found it out lately and since.. I've started using it alot more.
I noticed a fun little thing on skype. I was hosting a webserver and sent the IP to a friend, and noticed that 2 IP's had entered the link. Even if I had a robots text disallowing all robots, skype got a picture and placed it on "display" for the link. I do not find that comforting. However, there's nothing to do about it.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Vasudev on October 26, 2016, 11:28 AM
Thank you, comrades.

Signal app, proposed by Shadow, looks like the best variant to try.
I myself thought about solution like "Tor+chat engine with private rooms on remote (non-russian) server", or some software like Xabber, working through secured XMPP protocol.
Thanks again, I'll go and test all this solutions. :)

Humbert, Putin isn't a Stalinist (if he'd be a Stalinist, situation would be much better!). He is even not a dictator. He is just a leader of a big thief gang, trying to hold the power over country in his hands.

I'd also suggest Telegram. This app is used by alot of German friends of mine.
The reason alot of germans use it is because of the spying scandal. People got paranoid, and created secure alternatives that could not be spied upon as easily.
Telegram is also encrypted, and open source.
I wasnt aware that this was the reason Telegram was used, but I found it out lately and since.. I've started using it alot more.
I noticed a fun little thing on skype. I was hosting a webserver and sent the IP to a friend, and noticed that 2 IP's had entered the link. Even if I had a robots text disallowing all robots, skype got a picture and placed it on "display" for the link. I do not find that comforting. However, there's nothing to do about it.
Almost, none of my friends use Telegram. Hike messenger is a good alternative to WhatsApp because it consumes less battery and has lot of stickers.
 @shadow97: Did you do a repaste of AW 15? It seems everyone recommends them @NBR. A tip to fix touchpad stutters on AW is to download latest Input driver made for 15 R3 and majority of issues like high CPU  util. by live tray icon. BTW, Dell/Compal EC sensor has major issue.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: humbert on October 26, 2016, 09:17 PM
Don't Whatsapp and Viber use encryption? Is it any good for what Daniil is looking for?
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Vasudev on October 27, 2016, 11:55 AM
Don't Whatsapp  encryption? Is it any good for what Daniil is looking for?
Daniil doesn't trust FB.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: humbert on October 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Daniil doesn't trust FB.

Yeah, Whatsapp has been purchased by Facebook. In theory private messages are encrypted and not available to FB users. Whether the FSB get copies of Daniil's messages is unknown.

I wonder if Viber would work?

Daniil -> While I understand your need for privacy, is there anything in your messages Putin would be interested in?
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Shadow.97 on October 28, 2016, 08:00 AM
Almost, none of my friends use Telegram. Hike messenger is a good alternative to WhatsApp because it consumes less battery and has lot of stickers.
 @shadow97: Did you do a repaste of AW 15? It seems everyone recommends them @NBR. A tip to fix touchpad stutters on AW is to download latest Input driver made for 15 R3 and majority of issues like high CPU  util. by live tray icon. BTW, Dell/Compal EC sensor has major issue.
I have not repasted this, there is no need to. It runs really cool.
I also have no stuttering on my touchpad.
I've clocked my AW back up to 4ghz for the winter, and also a minor overclock on the GPU. I did the GPU clock first however. Here's the result in Unigine heaven (1080p) http://i.imgur.com/p3mIt4Z.jpg after clocking everything up, I ran a stability test for the night and one day. No issues with heat or crashes. Max temp 66c. Very reasonable in my opinion. However, I did notice some coilwhining at these frequencies. I tuned everything, and the whine is gone!

The issues I had with my AW:
Blew my speakers twice.
The DC inputcables melted, but not enough to say that the laptop wasnt charging. This caused CPU downclock issues. But probably saved the pc from causing a fire or something. This was a batch issue.
Intel HD graphics being in the way for some gpu tuning.
Intel HD caused the screen to change the brightness, even when adaptive brightness was off. I had to set all intel HD settings to "Max Performance" for it to stop.

Daniil doesn't trust FB.

Yeah, Whatsapp has been purchased by Facebook. In theory private messages are encrypted and not available to FB users. Whether the FSB get copies of Daniil's messages is unknown.

I wonder if Viber would work?

Daniil -> While I understand your need for privacy, is there anything in your messages Putin would be interested in?
I don't trust Facebook either.
Almost all the major companies give data to governments.
The things I really want to send in private is sent my physical post, written in a way that does not make sense to people who do not know me in person. But I also wrap it in aluminium ductape so it will be obvious if someone snooped. I've used this to send some less.... legal things :)
I really do wonder why I keep using nomaher.com..
(http://i.imgur.com/DTCEoAk.jpg)
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: Vasudev on October 28, 2016, 12:03 PM
I have not repasted this, there is no need to. It runs really cool.
I also have no stuttering on my touchpad.
I've clocked my AW back up to 4ghz for the winter, and also a minor overclock on the GPU. I did the GPU clock first however. Here's the result in Unigine heaven (1080p) http://i.imgur.com/p3mIt4Z.jpg after clocking everything up, I ran a stability test for the night and one day. No issues with heat or crashes. Max temp 66c. Very reasonable in my opinion. However, I did notice some coilwhining at these frequencies. I tuned everything, and the whine is gone!
The issues I had with my AW:
Blew my speakers twice.
The DC inputcables melted, but not enough to say that the laptop wasnt charging. This caused CPU downclock issues. But probably saved the pc from causing a fire or something. This was a batch issue.
Intel HD graphics being in the way for some gpu tuning.
Intel HD caused the screen to change the brightness, even when adaptive brightness was off. I had to set all intel HD settings to "Max Performance" for it to stop.

@Shadow97: Have you installed Speccy, HWInfo? If so, try opening speccy and try moving or hovering the Touchpad and most likely you'll find stutter issues. In HWinfo if you enable Embedded Controller (EC) support the issues like system instability, stutters and unresponsive PC are most likely to occur.   
To get rid of Intel Issues, set all Intel services to Manual and most issues will be resolved. Even Dell SupportAssist 1.0.2 had many issues and latest version fixed everything. One more thing, set all dell services such as Foundation services, Dell Update and customer connect to Manual. AW Amplifier and Fusion service aren't that resource intensive.
Boss Maher needs to enable HTTPS/SSL in the forum code and you will get secure connection.
Title: Re: Secure instant messenger required
Post by: humbert on October 31, 2016, 09:38 PM
I don't trust Facebook either.
Almost all the major companies give data to governments.

I agree. That's why I'm rarely of Facebook or any social media site. Then again, what information can these sites give the government that they don't already know? Posting secret stuff on Facebook is like yelling it with a bullhorn in the middle of a crowd.

I really do wonder why I keep using nomaher.com..

I don't think there's anything on this site the government would be interested in. We might talk about pirated copies of stuff, but then again they know more about that than we do. They don't waste their time try to chase down someone who runs a copy of Windows he didn't pay for. Not even Microsoft does that.