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Title: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on October 27, 2017, 05:31 AM
For all you Firefox users, you're probably aware that FF57 will hit the streets on Nov 14, 2017. It will be called Firefox Quantum. This is not just an upgrade, it's a major rewrite. It's aging engine will be replaced completely. Not only will Quantum use multiple processes, it will also take advantage of multiple processor cores for parallel processing - something that Chrome still doesn't do.

As usual everybody is complaining about most addons being imcompatible. This is due to the fact that, on order to work with Quantum, a simple upgrade won't work -- the addon has to be rewritten from scratch. Many developers have already said they won't bother to do this an will officially cease support when Quantum is out, but others are on board and inevitably the number will increase. If anything, this is further proof that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life - either move on or the tide will sweep you away. I will upgrade the very day it's out and immediately throw out the old addons, replacing them with new ones as they appear.

I should also mention that an added benefit of Quantum and its compatible addons is that this old Firefox problem of an addon not working after an upgrade will become a thing of the past. This problem is now forever fixed.

This topic, I believe, would be a nice place for people to post and rate compatible addons as they begin to appear so we can all be aware of the latest ones that are out.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on October 27, 2017, 11:05 AM
Quote from: humbert on October 27, 2017, 05:31 AM
For all you Firefox users, you're probably aware that FF57 will hit the streets on Nov 14, 2017. It will be called Firefox Quantum. This is not just an upgrade, it's a major rewrite. It's aging engine will be replaced completely. Not only will Quantum use multiple processes, it will also take advantage of multiple processor cores for parallel processing - something that Chrome still doesn't do.

As usual everybody is complaining about most addons being imcompatible. This is due to the fact that, on order to work with Quantum, a simple upgrade won't work -- the addon has to be rewritten from scratch. Many developers have already said they won't bother to do this an will officially cease support when Quantum is out, but others are on board and inevitably the number will increase. If anything, this is further proof that upgrades are an inevitable fact of life - either move on or the tide will sweep you away. I will upgrade the very day it's out and immediately throw out the old addons, replacing them with new ones as they appear.

I should also mention that an added benefit of Quantum and its compatible addons is that this old Firefox problem of an addon not working after an upgrade will become a thing of the past. This problem is now forever fixed.

This topic, I believe, would be a nice place for people to post and rate compatible addons as they begin to appear so we can all be aware of the latest ones that are out.
Web extensions are snappier than classic add-ons, only downside is there is no alternative for downthemall addon, which is very sad. I can say FF56 RAM usage dropped by 200MB on Web Externsion, only legacy addon is DTA. I can't find an alternative for it.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on October 29, 2017, 04:38 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 27, 2017, 11:05 AM
Web extensions are snappier than classic add-ons, only downside is there is no alternative for downthemall addon, which is very sad. I can say FF56 RAM usage dropped by 200MB on Web Externsion, only legacy addon is DTA. I can't find an alternative for it.

I installed the beta version of Quantum on Windows 7 running under Virtualbox for and it's awesome. It's fast as hell, very stable, and, as you said, it eats less RAM. Another thing I noticed: I've installed some 20 extension so far and as yet none have given me this message of having to reboot Firefox to complete the installation. Also, Flash is still supported. The player has to be downloaded and installed externally. Java and Silverlight are no longer supported, and flash is scheduled to be scrapped in 2019 (finally!).

As you know, the problem with the extensions is that they have to be re-written, not just updated. I'm also missing a few but the most important are there (Ublock Origin, Disconnect, Privacy Badger). You can bet borrowed money that, with time, more extensions will be re-written or replaced. Quantum is the future - adapt or die.

With respect to downloads, I'm thinking you're the only guy on the planet who uses Down Them All instead of IDM. Get IDM! It works like a champ and is fully compatible with Quantum. 
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on October 29, 2017, 07:51 AM
Quote from: humbert on October 29, 2017, 04:38 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 27, 2017, 11:05 AM
Web extensions are snappier than classic add-ons, only downside is there is no alternative for downthemall addon, which is very sad. I can say FF56 RAM usage dropped by 200MB on Web Externsion, only legacy addon is DTA. I can't find an alternative for it.

I installed the beta version of Quantum on Windows 7 running under Virtualbox for and it's awesome. It's fast as hell, very stable, and, as you said, it eats less RAM. Another thing I noticed: I've installed some 20 extension so far and as yet none have given me this message of having to reboot Firefox to complete the installation. Also, Flash is still supported. The player has to be downloaded and installed externally. Java and Silverlight are no longer supported, and flash is scheduled to be scrapped in 2019 (finally!).

As you know, the problem with the extensions is that they have to be re-written, not just updated. I'm also missing a few but the most important are there (Ublock Origin, Disconnect, Privacy Badger). You can bet borrowed money that, with time, more extensions will be re-written or replaced. Quantum is the future - adapt or die.

With respect to downloads, I'm thinking you're the only guy on the planet who uses Down Them All instead of IDM. Get IDM! It works like a champ and is fully compatible with Quantum.
I'm using 12 extension on FF56 with custom tweaks to enable Stylo and e10s on FF56 and so far it faster than chrome crapware/bloatware.
You can retire Disconnect since FF already has it built in.
I'm not the only one using DTA there are several others https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall/ (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall/)
I prefer cross platform compatibility. So one possible outcome would be to switch to jdownloader.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on October 30, 2017, 02:55 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 29, 2017, 07:51 AM
I'm using 12 extension on FF56 with custom tweaks to enable Stylo and e10s on FF56 and so far it faster than chrome crapware/bloatware.

You're still on FF56? How much longer? For me FF56 was generally slow, FF57 beta is infinitely faster. Chrome isn't as bad as you think. Much of the bloat can be removed or disabled, and it's also got plenty of addons. Certainly faster than FF56, only slightly slower than FF57ß.

Quote from: Vasudev on October 29, 2017, 07:51 AM
You can retire Disconnect since FF already has it built in.

If so then why did they take the time to rewrite it to make it Quantum compatible? And why does the icon at the top continue to report it's blocking tracking attempts?

Here's another question. What password manager are you guys using? I'm using Lastpass on Chrome. There's a Lastpass beta that'll work with Quantum, but unfortunately it's buggy (doesn't save settings). All the others I've checked out are garbage and/or require an external app to be installed. Any suggestions?

Quantum, like everything else, has growing pains. I've run into quite a few addons that don't work despite the fact that their Chrome counterparts work great. As always, patience and always look ahead.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on October 30, 2017, 07:09 AM
Quote from: humbert on October 30, 2017, 02:55 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on October 29, 2017, 07:51 AM
I'm using 12 extension on FF56 with custom tweaks to enable Stylo and e10s on FF56 and so far it faster than chrome crapware/bloatware.

You're still on FF56? How much longer? For me FF56 was generally slow, FF57 beta is infinitely faster. Chrome isn't as bad as you think. Much of the bloat can be removed or disabled, and it's also got plenty of addons. Certainly faster than FF56, only slightly slower than FF57ß.

Quote from: Vasudev on October 29, 2017, 07:51 AM
You can retire Disconnect since FF already has it built in.

If so then why did they take the time to rewrite it to make it Quantum compatible? And why does the icon at the top continue to report it's blocking tracking attempts?

Here's another question. What password manager are you guys using? I'm using Lastpass on Chrome. There's a Lastpass beta that'll work with Quantum, but unfortunately it's buggy (doesn't save settings). All the others I've checked out are garbage and/or require an external app to be installed. Any suggestions?

Quantum, like everything else, has growing pains. I've run into quite a few addons that don't work despite the fact that their Chrome counterparts work great. As always, patience and always look ahead.
Disconnect add-on embedded in FF is disabled by default and only enabled in Private browsing.
Lastpass web extension is buggy and needs 2FA every time eventhough I have ticked Trust my PC for 30 days. I contacted them and they asked me to download 4.2 from mozilla addon store development channel https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/lastpass-password-manager/versions/beta (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/lastpass-password-manager/versions/beta) Its marked as legacy because some components use older add-on tech. In fact, Lastpass 4.x is a web extension according to their blog or forums and FF simply marks it as Legacy. I am unsure what to say.
FF56 is slower but with these tweaks you can speedup FF by 10-15%. I'd like to Chrome Store Foxified add-on because I need Chrono download manager from Chrome web Store.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 01, 2017, 04:29 AM
So are you still running FF56 or what? I see no reason to run it unless there's an incompatible addon you very badly need. Besides, Mozilla will automatically upgrade you to 57 in another 15 days or so unless you've disabled automatic updates. I run FF57 beta and Chrome depending on what site I want to visit. Some work better with Chrome, for some reason.

Incidentally, the only addons I'm missing that still haven't been upgraded are Tab Mix Plus, Menu Wizard and Lastpass. Once those are upgraded or replaced by something else, we're all good.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 01, 2017, 04:33 AM
So are you still running FF56 or what? I see no reason to run it unless there's an incompatible addon you very badly need. I've been running 57 beta for several days now and honestly it's rock solid. Besides, Mozilla will automatically upgrade you to 57 in another 14 days or so unless you've disabled automatic updates. I run FF57 beta and Chrome depending on what site I want to visit. Some work better with Chrome, for some reason.

Incidentally, the only addons I'm missing that still haven't been upgraded are Tab Mix Plus, Menu Wizard and Lastpass. Once those are upgraded or replaced by something else, we're all good.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 01, 2017, 08:53 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 01, 2017, 04:33 AM
So are you still running FF56 or what? I see no reason to run it unless there's an incompatible addon you very badly need. I've been running 57 beta for several days now and honestly it's rock solid. Besides, Mozilla will automatically upgrade you to 57 in another 14 days or so unless you've disabled automatic updates. I run FF57 beta and Chrome depending on what site I want to visit. Some work better with Chrome, for some reason.

Incidentally, the only addons I'm missing that still haven't been upgraded are Tab Mix Plus, Menu Wizard and Lastpass. Once those are upgraded or replaced by something else, we're all good.
Still on FF56 and is definitely faster than stock FF56. I would say FF57 is faster by 30-40%. There is one or two add-on's like DTA and Translate This! that doesn't have replacement.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 02, 2017, 03:39 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 01, 2017, 08:53 AM
Still on FF56 and is definitely faster than stock FF56. I would say FF57 is faster by 30-40%. There is one or two add-on's like DTA and Translate This! that doesn't have replacement.

Have the developers of these addons already officially announced there will be no rewrite? If not just keep an eye out. HTTP Everywhere [for example] was updated today, more will come.

Are you planning to disable automatic updates on FF56 so it won't upgrade you automatically on the 14th?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 02, 2017, 08:12 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 02, 2017, 03:39 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 01, 2017, 08:53 AM
Still on FF56 and is definitely faster than stock FF56. I would say FF57 is faster by 30-40%. There is one or two add-on's like DTA and Translate This! that doesn't have replacement.

Have the developers of these addons already officially announced there will be no rewrite? If not just keep an eye out. HTTP Everywhere [for example] was updated today, more will come.

Are you planning to disable automatic updates on FF56 so it won't upgrade you automatically on the 14th?
I grabbed HTTPS everywhere web ext couple of days ago. DTA will not be re-written in Web extension.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 04, 2017, 02:36 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 02, 2017, 08:12 AM
I grabbed HTTPS everywhere web ext couple of days ago. DTA will not be re-written in Web extension.

I hope this doesn't mean you're going to stay on FF56 forever and ever. I'm sure there are other download managers on there, I just haven't checked any out just yet. I'm under the impression that, as one developer said, his extension was heavily dependent on how the old Firefox worked and would be difficult to rewrite.

I don't care how much people complain. The update to FF57 and it's new engine was badly needed. Newer, better addons will be written, you'll see,
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 04, 2017, 09:36 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 04, 2017, 02:36 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 02, 2017, 08:12 AM
I grabbed HTTPS everywhere web ext couple of days ago. DTA will not be re-written in Web extension.

I hope this doesn't mean you're going to stay on FF56 forever and ever. I'm sure there are other download managers on there, I just haven't checked any out just yet. I'm under the impression that, as one developer said, his extension was heavily dependent on how the old Firefox worked and would be difficult to rewrite.

I don't care how much people complain. The update to FF57 and it's new engine was badly needed. Newer, better addons will be written, you'll see,
Yeah I know I haven't felt FF being this fast, its really fast. I might download jdownloader or similar on linux or Windows.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 05, 2017, 02:55 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 04, 2017, 09:36 AM
Yeah I know I haven't felt FF being this fast, its really fast. I might download jdownloader or similar on linux or Windows.

Exactly, it's fast and very stable - and this is just a beta. It's just a question of searching for alternative addons until the ones we like are rewritten or replace.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 05, 2017, 05:53 PM
Quote from: humbert on November 05, 2017, 02:55 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 04, 2017, 09:36 AM
Yeah I know I haven't felt FF being this fast, its really fast. I might download jdownloader or similar on linux or Windows.

Exactly, it's fast and very stable - and this is just a beta. It's just a question of searching for alternative addons until the ones we like are rewritten or replace.
I was saying about FF56 though. Sorry, I eat some sentences sometimes or get spaced out times. Sorry.
I know FF57 Stable version will be 50% faster than my tweaked FF56 Web Ext and Stylo mode turned on.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 07, 2017, 07:33 PM
@humbert:
I got alternative for Translate this! its S3. Translate.
As an alternative for DTA, I tried Chrome store foxified addon that lets us use extensions from Edge, Opera and Chrome. I installed Chrono download manager from chrome store signed it using developer credentials(register at addons.mozilla.org) but the text are garbled on Chrono download manager. At least Chrome extensions works on FF.
Everybody is switching from Chrome to FF57 beta and FF68 alpha.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 08, 2017, 04:28 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 07, 2017, 07:33 PM
As an alternative for DTA, I tried Chrome store foxified addon that lets us use extensions from Edge, Opera and Chrome. I installed Chrono download manager from chrome store signed it using developer credentials(register at addons.mozilla.org) but the text are garbled on Chrono download manager. At least Chrome extensions works on FF.

You mentioned Chrome store foxified a while ago. When I checked it said "incompatible with Firefox 57". Now I see it's been rewritten. I'm confused. One of the 2 Chrome addons I tried said "parsing" and just hung there. The other prompts for a "signature" and refuses to install unsigned. Clicking the "signature" link simply takes you to the Firefox addons page. Logging in doesn't do anything. Please help: how exactly do you use this addon?

Quote from: Vasudev on November 07, 2017, 07:33 PM
Everybody is switching from Chrome to FF57 beta and FF68 alpha.

I assume you mean FF58 alpha. Do you have an idea as to why they're doing this? Seems like they're getting a little ahead of themselves, unless they're testers or something.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 08, 2017, 08:11 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 08, 2017, 04:28 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 07, 2017, 07:33 PM
As an alternative for DTA, I tried Chrome store foxified addon that lets us use extensions from Edge, Opera and Chrome. I installed Chrono download manager from chrome store signed it using developer credentials(register at addons.mozilla.org) but the text are garbled on Chrono download manager. At least Chrome extensions works on FF.

You mentioned Chrome store foxified a while ago. When I checked it said "incompatible with Firefox 57". Now I see it's been rewritten. I'm confused. One of the 2 Chrome addons I tried said "parsing" and just hung there. The other prompts for a "signature" and refuses to install unsigned. Clicking the "signature" link simply takes you to the Firefox addons page. Logging in doesn't do anything. Please help: how exactly do you use this addon?

Quote from: Vasudev on November 07, 2017, 07:33 PM
Everybody is switching from Chrome to FF57 beta and FF68 alpha.

I assume you mean FF58 alpha. Do you have an idea as to why they're doing this? Seems like they're getting a little ahead of themselves, unless they're testers or something.
Just register at addons.mozilla.org and you will gain developer status and install Chrono or any extension chrome store and chrome store foxified will sign using the API key and submit it for review to Mozilla and after 10 seconds you have that installed in your FF profile.
It should be FF58. This version is developer edition.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 09, 2017, 04:32 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 08, 2017, 08:11 AM
Just register at addons.mozilla.org and you will gain developer status and install Chrono or any extension chrome store and chrome store foxified will sign using the API key and submit it for review to Mozilla and after 10 seconds you have that installed in your FF profile.
It should be FF58. This version is developer edition.

This is a very problematic extension. I kept trying to get an "API Key" to no avail, until I finally realized you can't use private browsing. When I disabled that then it said the addon had been installed, but when I went to about:addons, it was nowhere to be found. I tried a few more, many just said "parsing" and just hung there. I couldn't get it to work no matter what I did.

This extension is simply a CRK to XPI file converter. Why does it need "API Keys" (whatever that is)? I detest an any addon that requires you to disable private browsing. Although Mozilla Pocket isn't exactly an addon, it's a perfect example. It requires both history AND that you don't delete cookies. This is the ideal situation for Mozilla to track you.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 09, 2017, 08:13 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 09, 2017, 04:32 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 08, 2017, 08:11 AM
Just register at addons.mozilla.org and you will gain developer status and install Chrono or any extension chrome store and chrome store foxified will sign using the API key and submit it for review to Mozilla and after 10 seconds you have that installed in your FF profile.
It should be FF58. This version is developer edition.

This is a very problematic extension. I kept trying to get an "API Key" to no avail, until I finally realized you can't use private browsing. When I disabled that then it said the addon had been installed, but when I went to about:addons, it was nowhere to be found. I tried a few more, many just said "parsing" and just hung there. I couldn't get it to work no matter what I did.

This extension is simply a CRK to XPI file converter. Why does it need "API Keys" (whatever that is)? I detest an any addon that requires you to disable private browsing. Although Mozilla Pocket isn't exactly an addon, it's a perfect example. It requires both history AND that you don't delete cookies. This is the ideal situation for Mozilla to track you.
You need to have two tabs open for AMO logged in so that Chrome store foxified can get api key and another tab is for Chrome store foxified. Can you give me a screenshot using FF screenshot or similar.
BTW, you can try FF58 Quantum edition developer alpha
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 11, 2017, 06:47 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 09, 2017, 08:13 AM
BTW, you can try FF58 Quantum edition developer alpha

Have you tried it? If so, what's your take on it?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 08:11 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 11, 2017, 06:47 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 09, 2017, 08:13 AM
BTW, you can try FF58 Quantum edition developer alpha

Have you tried it? If so, what's your take on it?
Couple of reddit users claimed they actually from Chrome to FF 58 when Chrome made their PC slow eventhough they had modern hardware. Chrome is bloatware according to them.
I haven't tried it. Good news, finally DownthemAll author is making a web extension and putting aside the difference. I think he intends to target Chrome users as well.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Well, firefox quantom really impressed me!!!Can you please guys give the requirements(pc specs) because I want to know if my pc can handle this!!!and also, will it work faster than google chrome even if the connection is low and the debit is under 100kb/s????
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 04:08 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Well, firefox quantom really impressed me!!!Can you please guys give the requirements(pc specs) because I want to know if my pc can handle this!!!and also, will it work faster than google chrome even if the connection is low and the debit is under 100kb/s????
With that connection speed of 12.5KBps I don't think FF or chrome would suffice. Might try Opera. Just use Google DNS for lower latency and better protection.
XP won't work on FF55 and above. I hope you've got Win 7 x64.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 04:31 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 04:08 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Well, firefox quantom really impressed me!!!Can you please guys give the requirements(pc specs) because I want to know if my pc can handle this!!!and also, will it work faster than google chrome even if the connection is low and the debit is under 100kb/s????
With that connection speed of 12.5KBps I don't think FF or chrome would suffice. Might try Opera. Just use Google DNS for lower latency and better protection.
XP won't work on FF55 and above. I hope you've got Win 7 x64.
Will a pentuim 4 and 1gb ram computer handle windows 7 x64!!!!I'm just asking!!!?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 07:49 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 04:31 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 04:08 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Well, firefox quantom really impressed me!!!Can you please guys give the requirements(pc specs) because I want to know if my pc can handle this!!!and also, will it work faster than google chrome even if the connection is low and the debit is under 100kb/s????
With that connection speed of 12.5KBps I don't think FF or chrome would suffice. Might try Opera. Just use Google DNS for lower latency and better protection.
XP won't work on FF55 and above. I hope you've got Win 7 x64.
Will a pentuim 4 and 1gb ram computer handle windows 7 x64!!!!I'm just asking!!!?
No. Its time to switch to a newer PC, I think. Even MSI afterburner will be too harsh on that hardware. Stick to your handycam video.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 08:29 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 07:49 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 04:31 PM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 11, 2017, 04:08 PM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 01:47 PM
Well, firefox quantom really impressed me!!!Can you please guys give the requirements(pc specs) because I want to know if my pc can handle this!!!and also, will it work faster than google chrome even if the connection is low and the debit is under 100kb/s????
With that connection speed of 12.5KBps I don't think FF or chrome would suffice. Might try Opera. Just use Google DNS for lower latency and better protection.
XP won't work on FF55 and above. I hope you've got Win 7 x64.
Will a pentuim 4 and 1gb ram computer handle windows 7 x64!!!!I'm just asking!!!?
No. Its time to switch to a newer PC, I think. Even MSI afterburner will be too harsh on that hardware. Stick to your handycam video.
Like it seems too easy to me!!!I have an ASUS X200MA notebook with 2gb ram and intel celeron N2840 and Windows 8 x86, will it work on this!!!?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 12, 2017, 03:31 AM
Panzer -> You should be able to run the 32bit version of Firefox Quantum on your system without much of a problem. It uses less RAM than previous version and just plain runs better. With respect to Windows 7-64 on your system, I would stick with 32bit. It's not the Pentium 4, it's the fact that you have too little RAM. 32bit systems can address 4 GB of memory, or more exactly 232 bytes. 64bit takes that up to 264 bytes, which is a lot more. This means 64bit systems are designed to run with as much memory as possible. Is there any way you can convince your father to add more RAM to your computer? For your system memory should be pretty cheap.

With respect to Chrome 59 and higher, after plenty of testing I must disagree with people at Reddit. There indeed is bloat, but the browser is also highly configurable. Most of the bloat can be disabled in the settings or there are addon that'll take care of them. I've found it to be fast, responsive and stable, even on slow systems. I run both Chrome and Firefox 57 side by side, usually depending on the site I'm visiting.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
Quote from: PANZER24 on November 11, 2017, 08:29 PM


With respect to Chrome 59 and higher, after plenty of testing I must disagree with people at Reddit. There indeed is bloat, but the browser is also highly configurable. Most of the bloat can be disabled in the settings or there are addon that'll take care of them. I've found it to be fast, responsive and stable, even on slow systems. I run both Chrome and Firefox 57 side by side, usually depending on the site I'm visiting.
I use only one browser. I did find chrome to be a resource hog than firefox even w/o FF quantum.
Try the default h264 encoder using CPU at half frame rate or full frame rate.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 13, 2017, 03:57 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
I use only one browser. I did find chrome to be a resource hog than firefox even w/o FF quantum.

FF57 is indeed as fast or faster than Chrome. Not so for previous versions. FF56 and older took a few seconds to load and do anything, Chrome did it almost immediately. Fortunately old versions of Firefox are history.

Quote from: Vasudev on November 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
Try the default h264 encoder using CPU at half frame rate or full frame rate.

Is this a Firefox addon? If so, then is it used to play videos inside the browser from sites such as [for example] Youtube or Vimeo?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 13, 2017, 11:07 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 13, 2017, 03:57 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
I use only one browser. I did find chrome to be a resource hog than firefox even w/o FF quantum.

FF57 is indeed as fast or faster than Chrome. Not so for previous versions. FF56 and older took a few seconds to load and do anything, Chrome did it almost immediately. Fortunately old versions of Firefox are history.

Quote from: Vasudev on November 12, 2017, 07:51 AM
Try the default h264 encoder using CPU at half frame rate or full frame rate.
Mutiple quotes are broken.
Sorry that was intended for Panzer.
Is this a Firefox addon? If so, then is it used to play videos inside the browser from sites such as [for example] Youtube or Vimeo?
Its OSD recorder in MSI Afterburner and RTSS.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 16, 2017, 11:45 AM
Got the update for FF57 on Linux and Windows, its really faster than FF56 with FF57 like tweaks. Its darn fast. Only thing lacking is a download manager for firefox web extension.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 17, 2017, 03:26 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 16, 2017, 11:45 AM
Got the update for FF57 on Linux and Windows, its really faster than FF56 with FF57 like tweaks. Its darn fast. Only thing lacking is a download manager for firefox web extension.

Take my advice and install IDM. Believe me, there's nothing better. Ask the many millions of users.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 17, 2017, 09:59 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 17, 2017, 03:26 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 16, 2017, 11:45 AM
Got the update for FF57 on Linux and Windows, its really faster than FF56 with FF57 like tweaks. Its darn fast. Only thing lacking is a download manager for firefox web extension.

Take my advice and install IDM. Believe me, there's nothing better. Ask the many millions of users.
What about on Linux? IDM won't work correctly on Wine as well. I know IDM is best, but it can download only as fast as my speeds, right?
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 18, 2017, 04:24 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 17, 2017, 09:59 AM
What about on Linux? IDM won't work correctly on Wine as well. I know IDM is best, but it can download only as fast as my speeds, right?

Indeed there is no IDM for Linux, but for Windows it's excellent. Many people use it. It downloads very fast and will persist until the file is down. It also shows a download bar every time a video or any other media plays, giving you the option of downloading it. Get a copy from your favorite torrent site and just follow the instructions.

I realize you like "Down Them All" but unfortunately for now it's not available. When that happens it's time to explore options.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 18, 2017, 04:24 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 17, 2017, 09:59 AM
What about on Linux? IDM won't work correctly on Wine as well. I know IDM is best, but it can download only as fast as my speeds, right?

Indeed there is no IDM for Linux, but for Windows it's excellent. Many people use it. It downloads very fast and will persist until the file is down. It also shows a download bar every time a video or any other media plays, giving you the option of downloading it. Get a copy from your favorite torrent site and just follow the instructions.

I realize you like "Down Them All" but unfortunately for now it's not available. When that happens it's time to explore options.
IDM is the best one but problem is I use it on every PC so finding a working crack for everybody is little tough.
Downthemall will be ready for testing in final week of Nov and public release will be in Dec.
I'll give IDM a try. I used it 4 years ago when I was in a cyber cafe.
Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: humbert on November 19, 2017, 03:12 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
IDM is the best one but problem is I use it on every PC so finding a working crack for everybody is little tough.

There is nothing "tough" about cracking IDM. I and many others are tired of doing it. Simply apply the patch and enter a fake name when prompted. When you upgrade just repeat the procedure.

Quote from: Vasudev on November 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
Downthemall will be ready for testing in final week of Nov and public release will be in Dec. I'll give IDM a try. I used it 4 years ago when I was in a cyber cafe.

Awesome. Use IDM in the mean time. Who knows, you might even prefer it and not go back to DownThemAll except for Linux. I was using Lastpass as my password manager. The closest working equivalent was BitWarden. Guess what? I prefer BitWarden. I even put it on Chrome to replace Lastpass.


Title: Re: Firefox Quantum and the future
Post by: Vasudev on November 19, 2017, 07:37 AM
Quote from: humbert on November 19, 2017, 03:12 AM
Quote from: Vasudev on November 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
IDM is the best one but problem is I use it on every PC so finding a working crack for everybody is little tough.

There is nothing "tough" about cracking IDM. I and many others are tired of doing it. Simply apply the patch and enter a fake name when prompted. When you upgrade just repeat the procedure.

Quote from: Vasudev on November 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
Downthemall will be ready for testing in final week of Nov and public release will be in Dec. I'll give IDM a try. I used it 4 years ago when I was in a cyber cafe.
LP web extension isn't working perfectly for example keyboard hotkeys, asks for 2FA every damn time, SMS passcodes for authentication brings up a console browser for compiling and debugging etc..
Awesome. Use IDM in the mean time. Who knows, you might even prefer it and not go back to DownThemAll except for Linux. I was using Lastpass as my password manager. The closest working equivalent was BitWarden. Guess what? I prefer BitWarden. I even put it on Chrome to replace Lastpass.