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[Shadow.97]

To be somewhat short, No i let my parents speak (im a bit shy when it comes to speaking with people(All languages)) And we use swedish and sometimes English, swedish because many of the hotel workers understand it, and people at the shops and resturaunts too.(<- mainly spain)

This might be a typo -- isn't it English the language you find that hotel workers and other can understand, as opposed to Swedish?

time with(LAN's and such) i say things on joke like "wassup nigguh"(not anything racist or anything, mainly because its funny, and we know we just fool around).
Though there is one thing, as in sweden, if someone say "nigger" to someone black in a conversation its concidered being racist, but when a latino/black/other says it its completly fine.. Is it the same in your country??

Pretty much the same. While the term "nigger" has always been derogatory, the blacks have now reclaimed it and are using it in the same context you say, only changing the pronunciation to "nigguh". The only thing I find wrong with all is is that people who are (for example) "latino" come in all varieties - they are white with blond hair and blue eyes, they are black, Asian and, of course, descended from the indigenous people that were here first (incorrectly referred to as "Indians") - yet they are often lumped into the same category. I'm not saying that being called or labeled "latino" is derogatory, but simply that the word is basically meaningless -- kind of like saying that a Swede from Växjö is exactly the same thing is one from Malmö or Stockholm.

No i actually mean they understand swedish! many places know up to 5 languages, (the traveling buisness i go with, gets tourists from finland, sweden, norway, denmark, and GB/UK. So its basicly 4 languages they need to lern.). Of course not everyone on the hotel speaks/understands it but most do.

About 2nd topic there, Its like saying "gay" in sweden, its totally fine, nothing offensive because the "gays" say it to eachother, instead of homosexuall. But somehow its not fine to say the thing about "black" people. In my opinion its more racist to say "Black" as most are "brown". Sorry im not not allowed to post words like that but well well....

[humbert]

No i actually mean they understand swedish! many places know up to 5 languages, (the traveling buisness i go with, gets tourists from finland, sweden, norway, denmark, and GB/UK. So its basicly 4 languages they need to lern.). Of course not everyone on the hotel speaks/understands it but most do.

Thanks for making me aware of this. Although for the reasons I explained I knew any European speaks at least 3 languages, I just wasn't aware Swedish was so widespread.

About 2nd topic there, Its like saying "gay" in sweden, its totally fine, nothing offensive because the "gays" say it to eachother, instead of homosexuall. But somehow its not fine to say the thing about "black" people. In my opinion its more racist to say "Black" as most are "brown". Sorry im not not allowed to post words like that but well well....

In America, the word "Negro" (Spanish translation of "black") was used for many years to describe those Americans who are descendants of slaves brought over from sub-Saharan Africa during the colonialist period. Here they are very "unmixed" (physically speaking) because for hundreds of years intermarriage was strictly prohibited. Although today for the most part they are no longer discriminated against, culturally the prohibition still exists. There are, of course, exceptions, but not that many.

In my other culture (the latino one), the word "Negro" is not derogatory and commonly used, even by the blacks themselves. Those who are mixed call themselves "mulattos", also not considered derogatory. When the Spaniards arrived in my country (Cuba), they carried out what was historically the first genocide ever -- they hunted down and killed off the entire indigenous population, leaving only the whites (themselves and their descendants) and the African slaves. It's curious too that it was precisely in my country that the first concentration camps that ever existed started there. As always, everything starts with an idea -- others take it and expand on it.

[topdog]

It's curious too that it was precisely in my country that the first concentration camps that ever existed started there.

Yes indeed, but before anyone gets the wrong idea, they where Spanish concentration camps located in Cuba.
In the same way that the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines where British and US, not Boer or Filipino

[humbert]

Yes indeed, but before anyone gets the wrong idea, they where Spanish concentration camps located in Cuba.
In the same way that the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines where British and US, not Boer or Filipino

A piece of Cuban history . Our war of independence from Spain lasted nearly 100 years. From 1809 to 1898, uprising after uprising was brutally put down the the Spanish. Then in 1895 came another major uprising. This time Madrid sent Gen. Valeriano Weyler to Cuba with orders to crush the movement at any cost. Our guys were using guerilla tactics against the Spanish, something Weyler's army simply wasn't prepared for. So he had an idea -- why not take all these people and their supporters and "concentrate" them (his own word) in enclosed camps were they could be observed and not be in a position to make trouble? He ordered his soldiers to do so, and a new word entered the dictionary -- one that would become notorious in the 20th century that followed.

Given the fact that the US invasion of the Phillipines and the Boer War occurred in 1898 and 1899 respectively, I can only conclude that if the British and Americans built similar camps, they copied Weyler's idea. I knew that the US treatment of Filipinos was brutal and racist, I'm just not too sure how the Brits treated their Boer (Afrikanner) enemies.

[topdog]

Yes  the US and British did copy General Weyler's idea, more successfully in that they won their war's/policing actions and were less condemned for them by the press of the time.
The original concept was Weyler's, that is why I wrote " the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines"
In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.
PS I wasn't trying to argue your knowledge of Cuban history or any such thing, just trying to avoid people thinking that Cuba was responsible for those camps.
Today there are some who think Poland was to blame for Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka etc  partly because some of the media's resent (20year?) practice of describing them as "Polish" because they where located in Poland.
While geographically accurate, it can give the wrong impression to those without a historical understanding of the period.

[humbert]

Yes  the US and British did copy General Weyler's idea, more successfully in that they won their war's/policing actions and were less condemned for them by the press of the time.
The original concept was Weyler's, that is why I wrote " the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines"
In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.

Simply creating a concentration camp doesn't mean the people in it are destined for slave labor or eventual annihilation -- so much so that this sort of thing wasn't even on Weyler's mind. Similarly, in 1942 in America, those citizens of Japanese descent were rounded up and sent to concentration camps, probably for the crime of not being Caucasian. They too were never abused, just kept there and watched. Finally by the end on 1944 the camps were closed and those citizens freed.

PS I wasn't trying to argue your knowledge of Cuban history or any such thing, just trying to avoid people thinking that Cuba was responsible for those camps.
Today there are some who think Poland was to blame for Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka etc  partly because some of the media's resent (20year?) practice of describing them as "Polish" because they where located in Poland.
While geographically accurate, it can give the wrong impression to those without a historical understanding of the period.

Oh, absolutely not! We weren't resposible for the camps, it was the Spanish occupiers who did it to us because their forces weren't equipped to fight a guerilla war in a tropical jungle. All I said was that Weyler invented the concept, others in the 20th century took his idea and expanded it forward. You can analogize it by saying that the Wright Brothers, after many unsuccessful tries, finally in 1903 developed a machine that could fly under its own power -- something many at the time thought was impossible. The Americans weren't too interested in their invention, so they took their case to Europe where those countries were on the verge of starting World War I. Militarily they could make use of a device like that, so they saw how it worked and put their engineers to work to improve it tremendously.

As for thinking something is "impossible" - be advised that as recently as 1995 the medical community believed that developing a drug that does what Viagra does could simply not be done. That is, of course, until it's accidental discovery.

[topdog]

Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?

As for thinking something is "impossible" - be advised that as recently as .........

This bit I don't understand. Where did the quote "impossible" come from ?

[humbert]

Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?

Well, I'm not too sure. I believed you were somehow comparing the brutal extermination-minded concentration camps created by Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese with those that existed in Cuba and the US. Clearly there is no comparison! Basically what I said was similar to something like being locked up in a maximum security penitentiary as opposed to being held at a minimum security center for nonviolent offenders -- essentially that a jail is still a jail.

This bit I don't understand. Where did the quote "impossible" come from ?

What I referred to was something similar to what a lady told me once: "I wish I had a dollar for any time the unthinkable happens." Basically I said nothing could be ruled out, and I used the discovery of Viagra-type drugs just as an example. Just a year or so before its accidental discovery, almost everyone in the medical community believe the creation of such a drug was simply not possible. These are analogies - if I remember correctly I think I said something to the effect that it was by no means impossible that somewhere in the world concentration camps night pop up once again. I even think they were used by the Serbs in the war against Bosnia and the rest of the former Yugoslavia as recently as 1992.

[topdog]

Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?

Well, I'm not too sure. I believed you were somehow comparing the brutal extermination-minded concentration camps created by Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese with those that existed in Cuba and the US. Clearly there is no comparison! Basically what I said was similar to something like being locked up in a maximum security penitentiary as opposed to being held at a minimum security center for nonviolent offenders -- essentially that a jail is still a jail.

I'm glad I asked.

In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.

I was trying to say that they were different.
The US (and NZ) internment camps of WWII were a completely different class of thing from the others mentioned in this thread.
Anyway as interesting as I find Colonial History, this is a computer forum so will leave this subject alone.
Hopefully we have understood each other.

[humbert]

Anyway as interesting as I find Colonial History, this is a computer forum so will leave this subject alone.
Hopefully we have understood each other.

Of course we understand each other .

I don't think there's any need leaving the topic aside. What the big chief doesn't want is debates or proselytization, and that's not what we're doing. In fact, we're both learning from each other. That's what the site is all about.

I do need to move our posts to the proper forum, which is Chit Chat. Ooops... just checked - it's already in Chit Chat.