Hey does anyone know a shop that actually still sells the 545?? It needs to be the single slot verision. Or does anyone know a better single slot card, or competative card? http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-545-oem-ddr3 Thats the one i planned to buy, but every shop i found selling it either had it out of stock and wouldnt restock it, or they removed it from their page.
Please help :(
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2012, 06:58 PM
Hey does anyone know a shop that actually still sells the 545?? It needs to be the single slot verision. Or does anyone know a better single slot card, or competative card? http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-545-oem-ddr3 Thats the one i planned to buy, but every shop i found selling it either had it out of stock and wouldnt restock it, or they removed it from their page.
Please help :(
Have you tried Ebay? I don't see a reason why they wouldn't ship to Sweden. The things I've seen sold on Ebay simple boggle the imagination, and the interesting part is that somewhere, somplace, a buyer appears. I've done business with them many times, and I've never been cheated nor have I had a reason to file a complaint. Why not check them out? You never know.
Quote from: humbert on April 22, 2012, 04:43 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2012, 06:58 PM
Have you tried Ebay? I don't see a reason why they wouldn't ship to Sweden. The things I've seen sold on Ebay simple boggle the imagination, and the interesting part is that somewhere, somplace, a buyer appears. I've done business with them many times, and I've never been cheated nor have I had a reason to file a complaint. Why not check them out? You never know.
Oh my! i found it! just one problem, how do i ship it/ know its not a scam?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-GT545-Verto-Graphics-Card-1536Mb-DDR3-PCie-2-0-VCGGT545XPB-/370605683640?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item5649d1f3b8
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 20, 2012, 06:58 PM
Oh my! i found it! just one problem, how do i ship it/ know its not a scam?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-GT545-Verto-Graphics-Card-1536Mb-DDR3-PCie-2-0-VCGGT545XPB-/370605683640?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item5649d1f3b8
I took a look at the link you gave me. I noticed this was the only card available from any vendor, which clearly means nobody makes it any more. Accordingly, if it absolutely, positively and without exception MUST be this card and no other will do, you have to grab it, and grab it NOW! Who knows how many other Shadow97's are out there looking for the very same card. Here's what you do. First, open an account on Ebay with login and password. Give them your real name, address, e-mail, phone etc. If they e-mail you ads, you can easily unsubscribe. Secondly, open an account on Paypal and, if possible, on Bill Me Later. They give you 6 months to pay at no interest for purchases over $100. You'll need either a credit card or maybe bank account. If you don't have one, surely your parents can help. After that, go ahead and place the order.
Ebay is a worldwide vendors representative and they will NOT tolerate cheats or scammers, be they buyers or sellers. Also, notice that this vendor has been rated as "top seller", a label he will not put in jeopardy by stealing a small amount of money from you. Not only that, but if there's a problem, Paypal will NOT pay him if there's any kind of complaint. Believe me, I've bought things from Ebay many times and I've never been cheated. Even when I bought a refurbished iPhone dock, it arrived plain and loose in an unmarked box with no instructions. Once I learned how to use it, the thing WORKED perfectly. No complaints were necessary.
Here's this link http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57951662/buy-ebay.jpg (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57951662/buy-ebay.jpg), go there and grab a little jpeg with instructions on the best way to buy on Ebay. I also have one for selling if you're interested. Let me know.
Sorry but what were you selling?? The thing that worries me is the money it costs to deliver to sweden, 50$ :( not sure if its worth the money...
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 23, 2012, 01:02 PM
Sorry but what were you selling?? The thing that worries me is the money it costs to deliver to sweden, 50$ :( not sure if its worth the money...
No, let me explain. What I meant was if you, having an account of Ebay, wanted to sell a used item or something which you could easily put a few Kronas in your pocket, you could easily place an ad with pictures and a full explanation. To give you an idea, bought a Microsoft TouchMouse and just couldn't get used to the idea of swiping my finger all over it, so I posted an ad for it on Ebay. A guy in Brazil eventually bought it, and Paypal paid me. The other file was about selling, the one you have concerns buying.
Regarding the price of the freight, which I too believe is high, do this -- look for any more modern video card as if you were going to buy it. You'll notice there will be many vendors selling it. Compare their freight rates to Sweden and see what you come up with. For simply browsing, no login or password are needed -- that's required only if you buy or sell. You can also get rates online from carriers such as UPS, Fedex or DHL for (for example), a 1-kg box which measures 20 x 10 x 7 cm, from Texas, USA to your city. If you see that the freight rates are significantly lower, you can write this vendor an e-mail and complain about that. Remember, he wants to sell the card and he'll probably go with a better freight rate if one exists.
Naturally all this assumes you've looked all over the net and haven't found the damn thing anywhere, and that absolutely no other card will do the job.
Quote from: humbert on April 24, 2012, 02:53 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 23, 2012, 01:02 PM
Well, there is a card with almost exactly the same name, so that comes up instead of the one i am searching for.. So i think ill wait instead for the new 600 series from nvidia. As my graphics card isnt a small form factor, only single slot..(My card is better than the currently ones comming out from nvidia's 600 series thats single slot).. i think it will be cheaper this way, not sure
Patience is Bitter But The Fruit is Sweet :)
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 24, 2012, 08:42 AM
Well, there is a card with almost exactly the same name, so that comes up instead of the one i am searching for.. So i think ill wait instead for the new 600 series from nvidia. As my graphics card isnt a small form factor, only single slot..(My card is better than the currently ones comming out from nvidia's 600 series thats single slot).. i think it will be cheaper this way, not sure
I'm curious about something. Clearly they no longer make the Geforce 545 that you were looking for. If they did, many vendors online would have it. What cards, if any, does Nvidia make that are on the market today which you could use? If the 600 series isn't as good as the one you currently have, why wait for it at all?
Any chance an ATI Radeon card could be of use to you, or you're just not an ATI fan? I've been using AMD products and their ATI cards forever without much of a problem.
Quote from: humbert on April 26, 2012, 05:19 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 24, 2012, 08:42 AM
Well if i tell you the real part, is that i dont know how to search on their website as there are tons of cards but i dont know what the numbers mean, like; 5656 for example that could be anything i guess, like a top graphics card, when the 7070 can be the worst ever.
And i think its too little info about their cards. Other wise i am an AMD/ATI fan
Quote from: humbert on April 26, 2012, 05:19 AM
or you're just not an ATI fan?
I am an ATI fan :D
Quote from: humbert on April 26, 2012, 05:19 AM
without much of a problem.
This sentence claims you had
some problems with ATI
did you? :P
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 26, 2012, 10:57 AM
i don't know how to search on their website
;D ;D ;D
Which website man!
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 26, 2012, 10:57 AM
i dont know what the numbers mean
Google for the
specifications of the card you wanna buy or compare.
To get you clear ::)
for what purpose do you want a
Graphic CardGaming or something else.
I recently read your posts & heard you have downloaded
Battlefield 3 [
I have yet to play -- PM me your review]
So I assume you want it for Gaming
Can you specify the price range.
I game alot! everyday for hours :), so yes for gaming. My pricerange is from about (convert from SEK-> USD): 148,63-> 297,26 USD. (including shipping).
Must have Single slot, OEM support. and can be "high"
The reason for upgrading is that my pc cant handle all maps with over 30+ fps. which gets annoying when you are at lowest graphics settings.
Btw i got 160 playing hours on BF3.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 26, 2012, 02:23 PM
I game alot! everyday for hours :), so yes for gaming. My pricerange is from about (convert from SEK-> USD): 148,63-> 297,26 USD. (including shipping).
Must have Single slot, OEM support. and can be "high"
The reason for upgrading is that my pc cant handle all maps with over 30+ fps. which gets annoying when you are at lowest graphics settings.
Btw i got 160 playing hours on BF3.
I'm curious as to why you're looking for an OEM card. What difference does it make if a card suits your needs prefectly but it's not OEM?
As for getting an idea of what you might want, you can go to http://shopping.google.com (http://shopping.google.com) (as Bladeshark mentioned). I just opened another tab and went into a site called http://www.pricegrabber.com (http://www.pricegrabber.com) and entered the words "video card" -- a ton of them showed up, all with specs, comparisons and all kinds of pertinent information. I still feel Ebay might be your best bet since they have anything and everything imaginable -- even horse manure. Don't ever think that's just because something's on there it means we're talking used merchandise. There are tons of Ebay-only online stores plus non-Ebay only sites that sell unused products with factory packaging and everything. And of course for me, the kicker is that, at your price range, you qualify for Bill Me Later -- 6 months to pay, no interest. Check around.
BTW, if you're in middle school, how do you find the time to play all these games, or even to post on here? I know school in Sweden is much tougher than it is here in America.
i've never seen any "non oem" card that will fit in my case. But i may be wrong with that. often they have a larger fan than there is room for in my case. basicly because i know i have an OEM card and it shouldnt be problems with cables as its an OEM power supply (not sure about that?)
And well "low school" in sweden, 6-9 years people, "middle school", ~9-12/13. So we say like "high school" where i am at. But i find alot of time, on breaks and on the lessons :-X ( we have school pc's(1 for each student) so i often have one tab up with the forums) And well honestly i dont do my homework, its too easy :). So i often have ~6-7 hours free time each day. And on the weakends well we have no homework or stuffs(99% of the cases).
Oh and whats taking the most of my freetime right now is that im taking driving courses on Moped.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 28, 2012, 05:20 PM
i've never seen any "non oem" card that will fit in my case. But i may be wrong with that. often they have a larger fan than there is room for in my case. basicly because i know i have an OEM card and it shouldnt be problems with cables as its an OEM power supply (not sure about that?)
And well "low school" in sweden, 6-9 years people, "middle school", ~9-12/13. So we say like "high school" where i am at. But i find alot of time, on breaks and on the lessons :-X ( we have school pc's(1 for each student) so i often have one tab up with the forums) And well honestly i dont do my homework, its too easy :). So i often have ~6-7 hours free time each day. And on the weakends well we have no homework or stuffs(99% of the cases).
Oh and whats taking the most of my freetime right now is that im taking driving courses on Moped.
You are very Lucky man ::)
I wished I had born in some other country :-[
Quote from: BLADESHARK on April 29, 2012, 10:05 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 28, 2012, 05:20 PM
You are very Lucky man ::)
I wished I had born in some other country :-[
Same here, i wished for america :(
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 29, 2012, 07:27 PM
Same here, i wished for america :(
NOOOO!! Don't ever wish you were living here! If you insist on somewhere in this hemisphere, Canada is the place to go. Still, I prefer Europe if given the chance. I absolutely fell in love with Amsterdam when I visited it. The people are so nice and there's so much freedom! During the 4 days I was there, I didn't see a single policeman anywhere. I'd take a course in Dutch just to read the street signs -- upon hearing my bad accent the people there will immediately switch to English.
Of course if you had Bill Gate$' money, then I'd say come and live here. It's my understanding Swedish citizens who make any good money are heavily taxed.
My thought when reading your text. "Canada?!" uhh i have no relatives there :/, Europe, UK. Amsterdam = drugs. No cops = thats to be honest **** in my opinion, i dont always feel safe walking on a road. Speak english when in NL, GER, SWE, NOR, DK, BEL they will often understand you perfectly if you speak calmly. but in sweden the GOV sees it like this(In my opinion); Work hard for your cash, we take it and give to the poor that doesnt even search for a job. Everyone MUST have equally amount of money.
Hello dear friends. :)
I just want to share this with you :
I love my country very much with all its disadvantages, and I wish not to leave it ever unless I'll return. This is not only me. Most of the Egyptians are like me. We have a strange love to our country.
One of our Egyptian leaders said before while our country was colonized by the Great Britain:
"If I wasn't an Egyptian, I'd love to be an Egyptian"
Although it has many disadvantages, we hope it will be better, but not to leave it completely.
Thanks & be well and safe.
~Ahmad. :) :D
I would wish for DUBAI [Abu Dhabi] or EGYPT (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rpg008.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
BCOZ I love DESERTED regions
SOOOOOOOOOOO alone calm and quiet.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on April 30, 2012, 01:14 AM
My thought when reading your text. "Canada?!" uhh i have no relatives there :/, Europe, UK. Amsterdam = drugs. No cops = thats to be honest **** in my opinion, i dont always feel safe walking on a road. Speak english when in NL, GER, SWE, NOR, DK, BEL they will often understand you perfectly if you speak calmly. but in sweden the GOV sees it like this(In my opinion); Work hard for your cash, we take it and give to the poor that doesnt even search for a job. Everyone MUST have equally amount of money.
Trust me, you are gravely mistaken when it comes to Amsterdam. Unlike here in America, in Holland you'll find no drug dealers or pushers on the street who can truly make a place dangerous. Over there, only marijuana is tolerated, and they sell it in "brown cafe's" of which there are many. In those places nobody messes with you and everybody peacefully does their own thing. There are even hi-def TV's on the wall, very often showing football games. It's a known fact that the vast majority of those who patronize the brown cafe's are foreigners, Dutch people hardly go there. Also, believe me, there is NO need for a heavy police presence. In fact, on thing I loved about Amsterdam is how safe it is. You can walk around at all hours and nobody will even dream of bothering you. What American city can make that claim, other than maybe a small town in the Midwest?
As for languages, in Paris (for example) it's more difficult to find someone that speaks English, although clearly not impossible. I also noticed that, unlike what many people have said, I found French people to be very nice and helpful. As for English, I'm not familiar with the other countries you mentioned, but in Amsterdam everybody speaks it -- and speaks it well.
Based on what you've told me, I'm under the impression that the Swedish system discourages people from working hard to make money and encourages laziness. If I were in a situation where most of my money went to support those who don't work, believe me I'll invent a reason not to work and simply live off those who do. Did I misunderstand what you've said about the Swedish system or do I have it right?
humbert that seems to be their goal in sweden. But for the things with cops and such, to be honest im almost pissed off at them in sweden, they dont do a **** to help, as they are not allowed to use/show guns if they are basicly treatend to death(Noone really obey the laws). I cant say i feel safe walking to town at night (i dont live that far away, just a little lake in the way) Oh, and last time i saw a cop was over 1 year ago, and that was when someone set fire on my school, before then well i have no clue. Oh and something ive noticed.. Today i was walking to the dentist, i saw 2 people painting with spraycans on the wall(which is illigal) i called the police, and asked them to come, an hour later they came, looked at it and went away again, made me really dissapointed wait an hour to watch someone doing nothing...btw we are off topic XD
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 01, 2012, 02:13 AM
humbert that seems to be their goal in sweden. But for the things with cops and such, to be honest im almost pissed off at them in sweden, they dont do a **** to help, as they are not allowed to use/show guns if they are basicly treatend to death(Noone really obey the laws). I cant say i feel safe walking to town at night (i dont live that far away, just a little lake in the way) Oh, and last time i saw a cop was over 1 year ago, and that was when someone set fire on my school, before then well i have no clue. Oh and something ive noticed.. Today i was walking to the dentist, i saw 2 people painting with spraycans on the wall(which is illigal) i called the police, and asked them to come, an hour later they came, looked at it and went away again, made me really dissapointed wait an hour to watch someone doing nothing...btw we are off topic XD
First of all, please give me the name of your city once again. I've memorized Qalqilya, Al Mahalla Al Kubra, and Puna, but not yours ;). I know Topdog lives close to Auckland, but I need to has him for his city too.
What you're saying about the police in your city (if not he rest of Sweden) seems like a case of "I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me". Why would any policeman put his life at risk if he's not allowed to defend himself by carrying a gun, while at the same time having most of his salary taxed away by the government?
What exactly are you afraid of if you go out? Is it that you'll be attacked and robbed or something like that? Is your city that badly crime infested?
Quote from: humbert on May 03, 2012, 06:34 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 01, 2012, 02:13 AM
humbert that seems to be their goal in sweden. But for the things with cops and such, to be honest im almost pissed off at them in sweden, they dont do a **** to help, as they are not allowed to use/show guns if they are basicly treatend to death(Noone really obey the laws). I cant say i feel safe walking to town at night (i dont live that far away, just a little lake in the way) Oh, and last time i saw a cop was over 1 year ago, and that was when someone set fire on my school, before then well i have no clue. Oh and something ive noticed.. Today i was walking to the dentist, i saw 2 people painting with spraycans on the wall(which is illigal) i called the police, and asked them to come, an hour later they came, looked at it and went away again, made me really dissapointed wait an hour to watch someone doing nothing...btw we are off topic XD
First of all, please give me the name of your city once again. I've memorized Qalqilya, Al Mahalla Al Kubra, and Puna, but not yours ;). I know Topdog lives close to Auckland, but I need to has him for his city too.
What you're saying about the police in your city (if not he rest of Sweden) seems like a case of "I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me". Why would any policeman put his life at risk if he's not allowed to defend himself by carrying a gun, while at the same time having most of his salary taxed away by the government?
What exactly are you afraid of if you go out? Is it that you'll be attacked and robbed or something like that? Is your city that badly crime infested?
I live in "Växjö", the thing that im most afraid of tbh is robbers and thieves, as i know people who have been robbed nearby, and the "gangs" are just well violent. Oh and, if your going to sweden, go to Malmö or Stockholm, they have "real" cops or how you would say it, they actually work. Yesterday a man got killed in my town, well that got to the media and nothing more seems to happen.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 03, 2012, 12:13 PM
I live in "Växjö", the thing that im most afraid of tbh is robbers and thieves, as i know people who have been robbed nearby, and the "gangs" are just well violent. Oh and, if your going to sweden, go to Malmö or Stockholm, they have "real" cops or how you would say it, they actually work. Yesterday a man got killed in my town, well that got to the media and nothing more seems to happen.
You know, I was looking at pictures of Växjö on Google Images. The place is beautiful! It's like a typical small town but, from what I'm seeing, it's got everything. There's even a university in the area, plus the nice lake that's also shown on the map. I imagine the crime you're telling me about is most located in a bad part of town, one that normally wouldn't appear anywhere on Google images.
At least this business of the police not caring doesn't happen in bigger Swedish cities.
Let me ask you 2 things. First, other than Swedish and English, what other languages do you speak? I recall you said you had to learn a 3rd language by 6th grade. I assume you've traveled to other countries in Europe. If so, do you use English to get by or what?
The 2nd thing I've heard and I'd like for you to confirm (or deny) is the existence of very strict rules in Swedish culture. I've heard that if [for example] you were invited to dinner at 19:00 at a friends house, arriving at any other time is considered very bad manners -- to the extreme that if you arrived at 18:50, you'd have to stand outside and be careful not to knock on their door until precisely 19:00. I've also heard that it's common practice for, say, 2 sisters who haven't seen each other in a while, to shake hands as opposed to hugging each other. True or false?
Quote from: humbert on May 05, 2012, 01:36 AM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 03, 2012, 12:13 PM
I live in "Växjö", the thing that im most afraid of tbh is robbers and thieves, as i know people who have been robbed nearby, and the "gangs" are just well violent. Oh and, if your going to sweden, go to Malmö or Stockholm, they have "real" cops or how you would say it, they actually work. Yesterday a man got killed in my town, well that got to the media and nothing more seems to happen.
You know, I was looking at pictures of Växjö on Google Images. The place is beautiful! It's like a typical small town but, from what I'm seeing, it's got everything. There's even a university in the area, plus the nice lake that's also shown on the map. I imagine the crime you're telling me about is most located in a bad part of town, one that normally wouldn't appear anywhere on Google images.
At least this business of the police not caring doesn't happen in bigger Swedish cities.
Let me ask you 2 things. First, other than Swedish and English, what other languages do you speak? I recall you said you had to learn a 3rd language by 6th grade. I assume you've traveled to other countries in Europe. If so, do you use English to get by or what?
The 2nd thing I've heard and I'd like for you to confirm (or deny) is the existence of very strict rules in Swedish culture. I've heard that if [for example] you were invited to dinner at 19:00 at a friends house, arriving at any other time is considered very bad manners -- to the extreme that if you arrived at 18:50, you'd have to stand outside and be careful not to knock on their door until precisely 19:00. I've also heard that it's common practice for, say, 2 sisters who haven't seen each other in a while, to shake hands as opposed to hugging each other. True or false?
I lern german, but i am really bad at it :)
Oh, and ive been to Norway, Denmark, Spain, Germany, and Cyrus(the Europeen part). Its mostly my parents that decide where to go, as myself i would like to go to Åland(Oland, finnish island) and Iceland(Those hot water sources!!). Btw i have not been outside europe in my life, except flying to the Canary islands.
The thing about arriving to a party or so. It is called "Vätt och Ettickett"(<- I cant spell it). If a party starts at 19:00 you may NOT come before if you havnt spoken with the host about it. As it may cause stress for the host. You are allowed to come up to 15 minutes after it "began" so for example 19:15 its okay, but after that its seen as being rude. As we say in sweden, "Fine people always arrive a little late"(5-15 minutes in my opinion). Well in sweden girls run around hugging and everything they are kind of wild XD. but with sisters, i have no idea as i have 7 cousins and none of them are girls, and i got no sister.= Im not sure.
The most important when you eat a meal is how you put your fork/knife, like when you are done you put them on one side at 5' oclock(if the plate is a clock) and like an X if your not done(maybe taking a refill). then its just common sence like dont speak with your mouth filled with food.
But strict, i wouldnt say its not like you need to obey every single rule when you are at home eating a normal meal.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 05, 2012, 02:53 PM
I lern german, but i am really bad at it :)
Oh, I'm not too sure about that. You also said you got an F in English, and yet you write it perfectly with few, if any, grammatical or spelling errors. Believe me, there are plenty of Americans who don't write it as well as you do. Because of this, I tend to believe your German might not be as bad as you think it is. When you visited that country, were you able to talk to the locals in their language?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 05, 2012, 02:53 PM
Oh, and ive been to Norway, Denmark, Spain, Germany, and Cyrus(the Europeen part). Its mostly my parents that decide where to go, as myself i would like to go to Åland(Oland, finnish island) and Iceland(Those hot water sources!!). Btw i have not been outside europe in my life, except flying to the Canary islands.
I imagine you used English when traveling to these countries, except maybe Germany, right? Also, mentioning Cyprus, do you mean the Greek part (the south)? I think the green line cuts across Nicosia, but I'm not too sure. Also, what's so special about the Åland Islands?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 05, 2012, 02:53 PM
The thing about arriving to a party or so. It is called "Vätt och Ettickett"(<- I cant spell it). If a party starts at 19:00 you may NOT come before if you havnt spoken with the host about it. As it may cause stress for the host. You are allowed to come up to 15 minutes after it "began" so for example 19:15 its okay, but after that its seen as being rude. As we say in sweden, "Fine people always arrive a little late"(5-15 minutes in my opinion).
That's interesting! In the Latin culture, then they say (for example) 16:00, that mostly means get ready about that hour, the festivities might start anywhere from 17:15 to 17:45.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 05, 2012, 02:53 PM
Well in sweden girls run around hugging and everything they are kind of wild XD. but with sisters, i have no idea as i have 7 cousins and none of them are girls, and i got no sister.= Im not sure.
The most important when you eat a meal is how you put your fork/knife, like when you are done you put them on one side at 5' oclock(if the plate is a clock) and like an X if your not done(maybe taking a refill). then its just common sence like dont speak with your mouth filled with food.
But strict, i wouldnt say its not like you need to obey every single rule when you are at home eating a normal meal.
The thing with Swedish sisters shaking hands is probably an exaggeration, especially based on what you told me regarding girls. And yes, you right -- cultural rules aren't as strict in a home environment as they'd normally be during a visit to someone's house.
To be somewhat short, No i let my parents speak (im a bit shy when it comes to speaking with people(All languages)) And we use swedish and sometimes English, swedish because many of the hotel workers understand it, and people at the shops and resturaunts too.(<- mainly spain) As for cyprus im not sure where we were, we were next to the border i remember(i was like 7) and we stood in a tower(?) and looked across to the other side. (we most probably were in greece). Forgot to type greece before ;P.
and that with shaking hands, i do it when i dont know the person well, like my mothers sisters man, but as for my cousins i often just nod and smile, or with one that i spend more time with(LAN's and such) i say things on joke like "wassup nigguh"(not anything racist or anything, mainly because its funny, and we know we just fool around).
Though there is one thing, as in sweden, if someone say "nigger" to someone black in a conversation its concidered being racist, but when a latino/black/other says it its completly fine.. Is it the same in your country??
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 07, 2012, 02:58 AM
To be somewhat short, No i let my parents speak (im a bit shy when it comes to speaking with people(All languages)) And we use swedish and sometimes English, swedish because many of the hotel workers understand it, and people at the shops and resturaunts too.(<- mainly spain)
This might be a typo -- isn't it English the language you find that hotel workers and other can understand, as opposed to Swedish?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 07, 2012, 02:58 AM
time with(LAN's and such) i say things on joke like "wassup nigguh"(not anything racist or anything, mainly because its funny, and we know we just fool around).
Though there is one thing, as in sweden, if someone say "nigger" to someone black in a conversation its concidered being racist, but when a latino/black/other says it its completly fine.. Is it the same in your country??
Pretty much the same. While the term "nigger" has always been derogatory, the blacks have now reclaimed it and are using it in the same context you say, only changing the pronunciation to "nigguh". The only thing I find wrong with all is is that people who are (for example) "latino" come in all varieties - they are white with blond hair and blue eyes, they are black, Asian and, of course, descended from the indigenous people that were here first (incorrectly referred to as "Indians") - yet they are often lumped into the same category. I'm not saying that being called or labeled "latino" is derogatory, but simply that the word is basically meaningless -- kind of like saying that a Swede from Växjö is exactly the same thing is one from Malmö or Stockholm.
Quote from: humbert on May 08, 2012, 08:56 PM
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 07, 2012, 02:58 AM
To be somewhat short, No i let my parents speak (im a bit shy when it comes to speaking with people(All languages)) And we use swedish and sometimes English, swedish because many of the hotel workers understand it, and people at the shops and resturaunts too.(<- mainly spain)
This might be a typo -- isn't it English the language you find that hotel workers and other can understand, as opposed to Swedish?
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 07, 2012, 02:58 AM
time with(LAN's and such) i say things on joke like "wassup nigguh"(not anything racist or anything, mainly because its funny, and we know we just fool around).
Though there is one thing, as in sweden, if someone say "nigger" to someone black in a conversation its concidered being racist, but when a latino/black/other says it its completly fine.. Is it the same in your country??
Pretty much the same. While the term "nigger" has always been derogatory, the blacks have now reclaimed it and are using it in the same context you say, only changing the pronunciation to "nigguh". The only thing I find wrong with all is is that people who are (for example) "latino" come in all varieties - they are white with blond hair and blue eyes, they are black, Asian and, of course, descended from the indigenous people that were here first (incorrectly referred to as "Indians") - yet they are often lumped into the same category. I'm not saying that being called or labeled "latino" is derogatory, but simply that the word is basically meaningless -- kind of like saying that a Swede from Växjö is exactly the same thing is one from Malmö or Stockholm.
No i actually mean they understand swedish! many places know up to 5 languages, (the traveling buisness i go with, gets tourists from finland, sweden, norway, denmark, and GB/UK. So its basicly 4 languages they need to lern.). Of course not everyone on the hotel speaks/understands it but most do.
About 2nd topic there, Its like saying "gay" in sweden, its totally fine, nothing offensive because the "gays" say it to eachother, instead of homosexuall. But somehow its not fine to say the thing about "black" people. In my opinion its more racist to say "Black" as most are "brown". Sorry im not not allowed to post words like that but well well....
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 08, 2012, 10:38 PM
No i actually mean they understand swedish! many places know up to 5 languages, (the traveling buisness i go with, gets tourists from finland, sweden, norway, denmark, and GB/UK. So its basicly 4 languages they need to lern.). Of course not everyone on the hotel speaks/understands it but most do.
Thanks for making me aware of this. Although for the reasons I explained I knew any European speaks at least 3 languages, I just wasn't aware Swedish was so widespread.
Quote from: Shadow.97 on May 08, 2012, 10:38 PM
About 2nd topic there, Its like saying "gay" in sweden, its totally fine, nothing offensive because the "gays" say it to eachother, instead of homosexuall. But somehow its not fine to say the thing about "black" people. In my opinion its more racist to say "Black" as most are "brown". Sorry im not not allowed to post words like that but well well....
In America, the word "Negro" (Spanish translation of "black") was used for many years to describe those Americans who are descendants of slaves brought over from sub-Saharan Africa during the colonialist period. Here they are very "unmixed" (physically speaking) because for hundreds of years intermarriage was strictly prohibited. Although today for the most part they are no longer discriminated against, culturally the prohibition still exists. There are, of course, exceptions, but not that many.
In my other culture (the latino one), the word "Negro" is not derogatory and commonly used, even by the blacks themselves. Those who are mixed call themselves "mulattos", also not considered derogatory. When the Spaniards arrived in my country (Cuba), they carried out what was historically the first genocide ever -- they hunted down and killed off the entire indigenous population, leaving only the whites (themselves and their descendants) and the African slaves. It's curious too that it was precisely in my country that the first concentration camps that ever existed started there. As always, everything starts with an idea -- others take it and expand on it.
Quote from: humbert on May 10, 2012, 08:41 PM
It's curious too that it was precisely in my country that the first concentration camps that ever existed started there.
Yes indeed, but before anyone gets the wrong idea, they where Spanish concentration camps located in Cuba.
In the same way that the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines where British and US, not Boer or Filipino
Quote from: topdog on May 11, 2012, 04:50 AM
Yes indeed, but before anyone gets the wrong idea, they where Spanish concentration camps located in Cuba.
In the same way that the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines where British and US, not Boer or Filipino
A piece of Cuban history :). Our war of independence from Spain lasted nearly 100 years. From 1809 to 1898, uprising after uprising was brutally put down the the Spanish. Then in 1895 came another major uprising. This time Madrid sent Gen. Valeriano Weyler to Cuba with orders to crush the movement at any cost. Our guys were using guerilla tactics against the Spanish, something Weyler's army simply wasn't prepared for. So he had an idea -- why not take all these people and their supporters and "concentrate" them (his own word) in enclosed camps were they could be observed and not be in a position to make trouble? He ordered his soldiers to do so, and a new word entered the dictionary -- one that would become notorious in the 20th century that followed.
Given the fact that the US invasion of the Phillipines and the Boer War occurred in 1898 and 1899 respectively, I can only conclude that if the British and Americans built similar camps, they copied Weyler's idea. I knew that the US treatment of Filipinos was brutal and racist, I'm just not too sure how the Brits treated their Boer (Afrikanner) enemies.
Yes the US and British did copy General Weyler's idea, more successfully in that they won their war's/policing actions and were less condemned for them by the press of the time.
The original concept was Weyler's, that is why I wrote " the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines"
In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.
PS I wasn't trying to argue your knowledge of Cuban history or any such thing, just trying to avoid people thinking that Cuba was responsible for those camps.
Today there are some who think Poland was to blame for Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka etc partly because some of the media's resent (20year?) practice of describing them as "Polish" because they where located in Poland.
While geographically accurate, it can give the wrong impression to those without a historical understanding of the period.
Quote from: topdog on May 12, 2012, 05:48 AM
Yes the US and British did copy General Weyler's idea, more successfully in that they won their war's/policing actions and were less condemned for them by the press of the time.
The original concept was Weyler's, that is why I wrote " the camps they inspired in Transvaal and the Philippines"
In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.
Simply creating a concentration camp doesn't mean the people in it are destined for slave labor or eventual annihilation -- so much so that this sort of thing wasn't even on Weyler's mind. Similarly, in 1942 in America, those citizens of Japanese descent were rounded up and sent to concentration camps, probably for the crime of not being Caucasian. They too were never abused, just kept there and watched. Finally by the end on 1944 the camps were closed and those citizens freed.
Quote from: topdog on May 12, 2012, 05:48 AM
PS I wasn't trying to argue your knowledge of Cuban history or any such thing, just trying to avoid people thinking that Cuba was responsible for those camps.
Today there are some who think Poland was to blame for Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka etc partly because some of the media's resent (20year?) practice of describing them as "Polish" because they where located in Poland.
While geographically accurate, it can give the wrong impression to those without a historical understanding of the period.
Oh, absolutely not! We weren't resposible for the camps, it was the Spanish occupiers who did it to us because their forces weren't equipped to fight a guerilla war in a tropical jungle. All I said was that Weyler invented the concept, others in the 20th century took his idea and expanded it forward. You can analogize it by saying that the Wright Brothers, after many unsuccessful tries, finally in 1903 developed a machine that could fly under its own power -- something many at the time thought was impossible. The Americans weren't too interested in their invention, so they took their case to Europe where those countries were on the verge of starting World War I. Militarily they could make use of a device like that, so they saw how it worked and put their engineers to work to improve it tremendously.
As for thinking something is "impossible" - be advised that as recently as 1995 the medical community believed that developing a drug that does what Viagra does could simply not be done. That is, of course, until it's accidental discovery.
Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?
Quote from: humbert on May 13, 2012, 01:44 AM
As for thinking something is "impossible" - be advised that as recently as .........
This bit I don't understand. Where did the quote "impossible" come from ?
Quote from: topdog on May 15, 2012, 01:54 PM
Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?
Well, I'm not too sure. I believed you were somehow comparing the brutal extermination-minded concentration camps created by Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese with those that existed in Cuba and the US. Clearly there is no comparison! Basically what I said was similar to something like being locked up in a maximum security penitentiary as opposed to being held at a minimum security center for nonviolent offenders -- essentially that a jail is still a jail.
Quote from: topdog on May 15, 2012, 01:54 PM
This bit I don't understand. Where did the quote "impossible" come from ?
What I referred to was something similar to what a lady told me once: "I wish I had a dollar for any time the unthinkable happens." Basically I said nothing could be ruled out, and I used the discovery of Viagra-type drugs just as an example. Just a year or so before its accidental discovery, almost everyone in the medical community believe the creation of such a drug was simply not possible. These are analogies - if I remember correctly I think I said something to the effect that it was by no means impossible that somewhere in the world concentration camps night pop up once again. I even think they were used by the Serbs in the war against Bosnia and the rest of the former Yugoslavia as recently as 1992.
Quote from: humbert on May 16, 2012, 02:16 AM
Quote from: topdog on May 15, 2012, 01:54 PM
Am I right in thinking that we are agreeing with each other over "Cuban camps" ?
Well, I'm not too sure. I believed you were somehow comparing the brutal extermination-minded concentration camps created by Hitler, Stalin and the Japanese with those that existed in Cuba and the US. Clearly there is no comparison! Basically what I said was similar to something like being locked up in a maximum security penitentiary as opposed to being held at a minimum security center for nonviolent offenders -- essentially that a jail is still a jail.
I'm glad I asked.
Quote from: topdog on May 12, 2012, 05:48 AM
In case anyone gets the wrong idea these concentration camps were fundamentally different from the same named camps of the 1930's and 40's in that the deaths of internee's was an uncared about side-affect rather then the intended result.
I was trying to say that they were different.
The US (and NZ) internment camps of WWII were a completely different class of thing from the others mentioned in this thread.
Anyway as interesting as I find Colonial History, this is a computer forum so will leave this subject alone.
Hopefully we have understood each other.
Quote from: topdog on May 16, 2012, 05:05 AM
Anyway as interesting as I find Colonial History, this is a computer forum so will leave this subject alone.
Hopefully we have understood each other.
Of course we understand each other :).
I don't think there's any need leaving the topic aside. What the big chief doesn't want is debates or proselytization, and that's not what we're doing. In fact, we're both learning from each other. That's what the site is all about.
I do need to move our posts to the proper forum, which is Chit Chat. Ooops... just checked - it's already in Chit Chat. ;)