Modern Intel/AMD Chipsets

[Shadow.97]

Of course anybody in their right mind will choose Intel over AMD if the price were similar. Remember AMD's sticking point is price. Also, I'm not too clear about why their naming system is so confusing. Families are Sempron, Athlon, Phenom and FX. The rest are just model numbers and specs. I have a much harder time with Intel's naming system. I know their latest CPU's are Haswell, but I'm not to clear about what they mean by Ivy and Sandy Bridge, not to mention all the others. It's very confusing.

I've run Diablo under full power with a bunch of bombs exploding and characters moving constantly, to the point where it's a little too much for my NVidia GFX-660 (it freezes the image briefly under very heavy load). However, the AMD CPU shows no sign of heat-related stress and keeps on going.

I just think their numbers are really confusing. (amd)
Intel is quite easy I'd say.. I3 I5 I7 are the main things you want to look at I3 = entry level gaming, everyday browsing. I5, everyday use, gaming. I7, to show off, and to render heavier stuff.
Haswell, Sandybridge and Ivybridge, the core difference is the power consumption (what I've seen) there isn't much speed difference between  2600k 3770k 4770k (if I recall correctly.)
Anyways, 1:20 AM, school at 8:15 AM, time to go to bed !

[humbert]

Intel is quite easy I'd say.. I3 I5 I7 are the main things you want to look at I3 = entry level gaming, everyday browsing. I5, everyday use, gaming. I7, to show off, and to render heavier stuff.
Haswell, Sandybridge and Ivybridge, the core difference is the power consumption (what I've seen) there isn't much speed difference between  2600k 3770k 4770k (if I recall correctly.)

Are you sure about that? I have a hard time thinking the difference in performance between the 2600k, 3770k and 4470k isn't that great. Besides, low power consumption makes sense for laptops, but for desktops it's almost immaterial. AMD's FX-8350 eats 125W - any desktop can do this. The 4770k eats 84W.

[Shadow.97]

Intel is quite easy I'd say.. I3 I5 I7 are the main things you want to look at I3 = entry level gaming, everyday browsing. I5, everyday use, gaming. I7, to show off, and to render heavier stuff.
Haswell, Sandybridge and Ivybridge, the core difference is the power consumption (what I've seen) there isn't much speed difference between  2600k 3770k 4770k (if I recall correctly.)

Are you sure about that? I have a hard time thinking the difference in performance between the 2600k, 3770k and 4470k isn't that great. Besides, low power consumption makes sense for laptops, but for desktops it's almost immaterial. AMD's FX-8350 eats 125W - any desktop can do this. The 4770k eats 84W.

I'm not very confident about it, but I think that is so.

[humbert]

Are you sure about that? I have a hard time thinking the difference in performance between the 2600k, 3770k and 4470k isn't that great. Besides, low power consumption makes sense for laptops, but for desktops it's almost immaterial. AMD's FX-8350 eats 125W - any desktop can do this. The 4770k eats 84W.
I'm not very confident about it, but I think that is so.

I'd have to research this, but honestly it makes little sense. Why invest in a 4470k when you'll get only a small performance difference compared to a 2600k? So what if it eats more watts, I have a desktop with a 720w PSU.

[Daniil]

@humbert, @Shadow.97
BTW, a power consumption may be an important factor! For example - big AMD eats up to 180-200W. Intel with same computing power consume only 70-80W. That means, that you need bigger power block => more expensive block.
Also, for cooling AMD, (and cooling it quiet! ) you need bigger cooler => more expensive cooler.

The performance/price ratio of computer components grows in non-linear manner (geometrically, I think; specialist scarface can calculate its rate more exact). So, we can get the situation, when the price of our power unit and cooling system eats the profit from cheap AMD CPU.

If to talk about Intel - it's way of naming is simplier than AMD if take in mind that they naming processor series, not the cores. In case of AMD CPU core name === brand name. In case of Intel (as correctly said Shadow.97) the main is the processor series (i3, i5, i7), and core name isn't so important. (In fact it is important, but Intel's marketing is so marketing. )

[humbert]

@Daniil - When I bought and installed my AMD FX-8350, it included a cooling fan in the box. I installed that fan and I've never had a heat problem - not even when I'm running Diablo III at full power with all the bomb going off and characters moving and shooting. My case has a single 800mm fan. I've never had to buy extra cooling hardware.

Did you say the 2600k, 3770k and 4770k microprocessors have roughly the same performance? That can't be. Who's going to buy a 4770k if a 2600k is just slightly slower?

[Daniil]

@Humbert
I have a server case (Intel SE5275E chassis). So I must think about a better cooling than the stock AMD fan. (BTW, now Intel server case is more a trouble then a feature, for example, it have no separate connectors for power & reset buttons and LEDs, but a single floppy-like flat cable...)

As I can understand, each of processors in Intel's range (i3 -> i5 -> i7) is about 15-20% slower between each other. I mean, that i5 is 20% slower than i7, and i3 is 20% slower than i5.

Anyway, brothers, I choose for me an AMD FX-8350. It is cheap, it is 4 GHz, and it have true 8 cores (Core i7 have 4 HT cores).

BTW, I want to make a test, to check one my suspect.
We know, that AMD have true 8 cores, when the Core i7 have 4 cores with Hyper-Treading ability, which means that 8 calculating threads in fact is a fake (in Corei7 there is 4 real threads).
Also, that is indirectly confirmed by the thermal output - Intel processors outputs less heat not because they are so effective, but because they have only half of cores. Smaller number of cores -> smaller heat output.
So, I think that in tests AMD is less effective not because they are really slower, but because there is no software to load all 8 cores.
Now I'm thinking about how to make this experimentation.

[humbert]

Everybody and his brother knows that AMD's selling point is price. Who would buy it if the price were the same? And of couse, AMD-based motherboards are also cheaper. It's my experience that if you don't intend to seriously overclock this thing, the fan that came with the microprocessor does the job perfectly. I have no need to overclock, and even running the most CPU-intensive apps I have, there is no heat problem.

I've also noticed that video-converting software does indeed use all 8 cores - at least in the configuration, choosing all 8 cores is an option. I also looked at Windows Task Manager, it says "4 Cores - 8 Logical Processors". Do you know something about all this that I don't?

[iih]

Everybody and his brother knows that AMD's selling point is price. Who would buy it if the price were the same? And of couse, AMD-based motherboards are also cheaper. It's my experience that if you don't intend to seriously overclock this thing, the fan that came with the microprocessor does the job perfectly. I have no need to overclock, and even running the most CPU-intensive apps I have, there is no heat problem.

I've also noticed that video-converting software does indeed use all 8 cores - at least in the configuration, choosing all 8 cores is an option. I also looked at Windows Task Manager, it says "4 Cores - 8 Logical Processors". Do you know something about all this that I don't?

also i want to know what is meant by logical processors, as my too older pc is saying in Task Manager 2 Logical Processors.

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Brother Usman,
as is the discussion which one you choose the Amd FX 8350 4GHz octa, core or Intel i7 3770K
3.5G quad core. and as the consideration Price? or necessity?
The price more lower AMD of course in my country $100 lower...

[iih]

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Brother Usman,
as is the discussion which one you choose the Amd FX 8360 4GHz octa, core or Intel i7 3770K
3.5G quad core. and as the consideration Price? or necessity?
The price more lower AMD of course in my country $100 lower...

brother Ismet, i'll not choose anyone, i have no money for computer purchasing,,,,

Don't so like that, we're not talking about the money, it's just for the consideration
Ok let i choose for you take it easy, i will choose for you AMD FX 8350 8 core, here the price roughly $215
why i choose AMD for you..I see you oftenly and having talent in graphics work.. and office also encoding
and rendering of video.etc..for me of course certainly i choose intel i7 3770K even just have 4 core
because i'm game enthusiast with high graphics and i don't need 8 core no software runs in 8 core..
how is my choices? he.he.he.. please don't mind if my words not so nice.