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[humbert]

Hey dear friends.
I just want to clarify something [just for confirmation]...
I'm not that good devout. I'm like BLADESHARK ;; trying to do my best.
Also [just for information]...
I don't carry rug with me too because there are a lot of mosques here.
Anyway, I can pray anywhere [on the dust itself]... It's OK. Rug is not necessary. [For example: if lost in the desert] 
Take care. 

Based on everything you've told me, I must disagree. Everything you've said indicates you follow Islam very closely and with all your heart. Believe me, when it comes to devotion, here very few Christians and Jews do not follow their religion anywhere as near as strongly as you do yours. I understood Bladshark to say that, even though he does what he can to follow all Islamic laws, it's not as much as what you've told me concerning yourself. As I see it,  anyone who will stop everything and pray in the desert or in heavy snow in Moscow (as the Chief did) in my opinion is very devout.

Here are 2 examples so you'll see my point. I keep mentioning my Libyan friend. I found out about the 4 mosques in Miami from him and earlier that Friday he attended one of them. He told me this at a bar over alcoholic beverages - in fact, he even invited me to a drink, which I accepted. You, by comparison, wouldn't even be caught dead in a bar. Similarly, the Catholic religion (which I was born into) mandates going to mass every Sunday and prohibits birth control. The vast majority of Catholics here don't obey any of these rules. However, if someone dies or gets married, you better believe there will be a Catholic religious ceremony. Who understands this?

[Ahmad]

Based on everything you've told me, I must disagree. Everything you've said indicates you follow Islam very closely and with all your heart.

I can't beat you in discussion. 
BUT allow me to say this for necessity:
"Thanks God for this" [Alhamdulellah]

The vast majority of Catholics here don't obey any of these rules. However, if someone dies or gets married, you better believe there will be a Catholic religious ceremony. Who understands this?

It's normal.
Because a man doesn't obey all the rules of his religion, it doesn't mean that he is out of his religion ...
As you know, man is very weak, and no one is perfect.

[humbert]

The vast majority of Catholics here don't obey any of these rules. However, if someone dies or gets married, you better believe there will be a Catholic religious ceremony. Who understands this?

It's normal.
Because a man doesn't obey all the rules of his religion, it doesn't mean that he is out of his religion ...
As you know, man is very weak, and no one is perfect.

From what I've seen, this sort of thing isn't so much a matter of weakness or imperfection. I believe it deals much more with the people either not caring if they disobey the rules, or firmly believe God won't punish them for what they're doing. Very often I've heard the expression "I follow my religion my way" which clearly indicates this.

[BLADESHARK]

"I follow my religion my way"

Very BAD thinking for those people.

[Ahmad]

Very often I've heard the expression "I follow my religion my way" which clearly indicates this.

It's a little different here ;;

They do what they want, and strangely, they don't like anyone to advise them because he will bring their attention to this matter, and they were trying not to bring their attention because then, they feel shame from their actions.

But at the same time, they know that they are wrong, and they don't deny if you ask them. And from inside, they really fear and want to be better and they trust God's ultimate forgiveness and mercy because this is their shelter.
They keep doing what they are doing until a moment when they judge themselves, then they change and become much better.

[BLADESHARK]

It's a little different here ;;

They do what they want, and strangely, they don't like anyone to advise them because he will bring their attention to this matter, and they were trying not to bring their attention because then, they feel shame from their actions.

But at the same time, they know that they are wrong, and they don't deny if you ask them. And from inside, they really fear and want to be better and they trust God's ultimate forgiveness and mercy because this is their shelter.
They keep doing what they are doing until a moment when they judge themselves, then they change and become much better.

I agree

[humbert]

They do what they want, and strangely, they don't like anyone to advise them because he will bring their attention to this matter, and they were trying not to bring their attention because then, they feel shame from their actions.
But at the same time, they know that they are wrong, and they don't deny if you ask them. And from inside, they really fear and want to be better and they trust God's ultimate forgiveness and mercy because this is their shelter.
They keep doing what they are doing until a moment when they judge themselves, then they change and become much better.

That's not it at all. These people are firmly convinced that they're doing the right thing, and that the God they worship will not punish them. To them, those in their own religion who follow it closely as seen as "fanatics". And trust me, this sort of thing exists in all religions, not just Islam and Christianity. I also know Jews who on Yom Kippur (their day of atonement) do not even bother to visit a snyagogue, let alone obey the other rules for that day.

[Ahmad]

That's not it at all. These people are firmly convinced that they're doing the right thing, and that the God they worship will not punish them.

This is very strange thinking.
I'm sure that it's found in all religions as you said, but [Thanks God], I never met one of them before. 

[BLADESHARK]

[Thanks God], I never met one of them before. 

Even ME

[humbert]

[Thanks God], I never met one of them before. 

Even ME

If you come to just about anywhere in America or, for that matter, to just about everywhere in this hemisphere, you'll find people like that just about everywhere. Those who practice their religion with devotion are a clear minority -- and this is in all religions. Could it be that you guys just haven't travelled all that much, not even withing your own countries? I personally refuse to believe that all 83 million Egyptians and all 1.2 billion Indians follow their religion devotely, be it Islam, Christian or Hindu.

It is our obligation to respect them as much as we respect each other, and similarly, it's their obligation to respect whatever way we choose. As Ahmad said once, it is Allah and not us who decides how to deal with them.