General Talk!!

[scarface]

"God willing, I can assure that this won't happen ever in Egypt"
ahmad: for several years, I dont think in miracle any more. if there was a god, my own existence would be easier. You see I dont doubt Egyptians love each other, but I think the problem is physical. If tomorrow you dont have food, you wont only do a revolution.
my mind has been enlightened when I have listened to this specialist, this video has been subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENdzpC4e8w
you can also read his theory there if you master the french language: http://lesurvivaliste.blogspot.fr/2011/12/rencontre-avec-piero-san-giorgio.html
His book has been a best seller and he predicts there is going to be an economic collapse.

[Shadow.97]

"God willing, I can assure that this won't happen ever in Egypt"
ahmad: for several years, I dont think in miracle any more. if there was a god, my own existence would be easier. You see I dont doubt Egyptians love each other, but I think the problem is physical. If tomorrow you dont have food, you wont only do a revolution.
my mind has been enlightened when I have listened to this specialist, this video has been subtitled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TENdzpC4e8w
you can also read his theory there if you master the french language: http://lesurvivaliste.blogspot.fr/2011/12/rencontre-avec-piero-san-giorgio.html
His book has been a best seller and he predicts there is going to be an economic collapse.

I think that guy made a video on english is he swiss?? If so i saw a youtube vid about it some days ago on english by him

[scarface]

He's swiss. perhaps the video you saw is the link I put earlier on this thread. He only did a few videos in english.
What is frightening is that all his arguments make sense. He considers the only way to survive is growing its own food in a farm because conflicts and wars are inevitable.
if you want you can check this large video, in french but with many pictures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9usgjSO36mw

[humbert]

@scarface - My facts were correct when I mentioned that Egypt (or Cairo) wasn't close to having the highest population density. Go to this site and you'll see what I mean. As for hunger, there are many worse places than Egypt. Sub-Saharan Africa and the horn of that same continent are prime examples. It's also important to take into consideration that when oil supplies inevitably begin to dry up, all these countries that depend on it will be in trouble. Until burning oil becomes more expensive than alternate sources of energy, the status quo will prevail.

I've always said the end of famine is hiding in plain sight. Details on request. 

@Ahmad - did I understand you correctly or did you say that people such as Coptic Christians nor those Egyptians who are mostly secular are not the ones involved in the protests against Morsi? Is it that the people doing the protesting are those who are just hungry for power? Also, you mentioned Morsi was weak. What else could he do except impose martial law and call out the army?

I saw the Port Said thing this morning on the news. Was this mass murder caused by a lone assassin or was it politically motivated? Was more than one person involved?

[Ahmad]

@Ahmad - did I understand you correctly or did you say that people such as Coptic Christians nor those Egyptians who are mostly secular are not the ones involved in the protests against Morsi? Is it that the people doing the protesting are those who are just hungry for power?

Here, we don't say Christians or not, because we are all in the same ship.
We are all seeking the best for this country.
Regarding who are protesting.. They are from different parties and directions.. And yes, some of them are just hungry for power and want to make Mursi fall down, and others are just expressing their point of view which is against Mursi but they don't like the destruction that is happening now.

Regarding Port Said events, there were clashes between the families whose sons were judged to be executed soon due to the mass murder that they did in the football match months ago, and the police men and people who stood against them defending the prisons.
So, not only one is involved in these events.. Because some were against others and this resulted in nearly 40 dead.

"God willing, I can assure that this won't happen ever in Egypt"
ahmad: for several years, I dont think in miracle any more. if there was a god, my own existence would be easier.

Let me explain what I meant..
I don't say I'm waiting for a miracle.. It's just because I believe in God, and I don't know the future.. So, I refer the future events to God who knows the future.

i.e. From what I understand about my people, even if we are dying from hunger, we still love each other and this has social and religious reasons to prefer your brother, friend or neighbor than you.. To see him in comfort even if you are NOT.
So, I said it's nearly impossible for a civil war to happen here because of the previous reasons.
Don't care about "God willing" if you don't believe in him.

[scarface]

Ahmad, if you want to survive to what is coming, you can still believe in god, but you had better go to a farm and grow your food, the most important thing being water. Dont forget there is nothing in a town except what is brought from the outside. Find out for yourself information about the concept of overshoot and watch a graphic of human population, and perhaps you will understand that we are in deep ****.
You see, Im forced to live in one the biggest suburbs of europe because Ive got nowhere else to go and Ive found a job recently, but if I could I would go somewhere else, that's sure.

[Daniil]

Some political parties here were waiting for this day to come to remind the government with their demands that were not achieved, so they protest again in many cities demanding with re-making the constitution which has recently been elected and the majority said YES for it.

The vast majority of Egyptian people like me, don't like the president nor his government because we see that they are week and not accepted from most of us, as originally, we had elected him just because we didn't want the other guy of Mubarak who was against him in Elections, NOT because we like him.
Also, we see that he promised with somethings that he didn't achieve but he says that other parties don't help him, yet, they stand against him in every step he takes, and I can assure that this actually happens. BUT this is not our problem.. This proves your weakness.
Despite all these bad circumstances that we see, the vast majority of us keep themselves calm and don't protest like the others and say "ENOUGH" just to work and produce because we are in a critical situation right now.. We are not working nor producing since 2 years till now.. What will the protest give us ?! .. NOTHING, but more falling down.
So, we say.. We wait for him to end his term of office and elect another one who is accepted from us next time. But for now, we work and produce .. Not for him, but for our country.

That's a wisely solution, but don't forget, that if there will be no protest at all, that guys from government will start to sence their
impunity very soon (like here in Russia today with V.V. and his gang. Obviously, they are in power just because there isn't good althernatives). Keep it up, friend. If it's truth about egyptan low-agressive menthality, then that's your luck. In other case - keep your guns clean and ears up!
UPDATE: just now had a talk with my father about Egypt situation (he had watch just now TV news bout this), and draws up an idea - if that dumbs in government don't achived people demands, then a peoples can initiate an impeachment procedure, or so-called "vote of nonconfidence". This is a normal procedure, it described in constitution, and peoples of Egypt can throw out bad president before he can destroy a country.

scarface, why so frightened??! Don't read stupid books, written for made you to be a frightened slave. I don't want to discuss, exists the god or not, but your existence is only a product of your mind and lifestyle. Try to change them, and all will change.
BTW, where you from? Are you French?

[Ahmad]

UPDATE: just now had a talk with my father about Egypt situation (he had watch just now TV news bout this), and draws up an idea - if that dumbs in government don't achived people demands, then a peoples can initiate an impeachment procedure, or so-called "vote of nonconfidence". This is a normal procedure, it described in constitution, and peoples of Egypt can throw out bad president before he can destroy a country.

I know, dear friend about this procedure. But this needs new elections..
when shall we stop elections, settle down and work ?!!
If this procedure happens, we'll get into a new period of mess.
I see that our current president was not the man of this time, but at least, he is not bad.

[Daniil]

Oh, yes, friend. Now I'm understand.

[scarface]

Here an article that says state could collapse in Egypt
http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2013/01/29/l-armee-egyptienne-met-en-garde-contre-un-effondrement-de-l-etat
If Ahmad wants to live, I advise him to flee to the countryside during this collapse and not to take part to the fighting. It's a binary choice: either he wants to live or he can decide he's going to die.